Will Work For Unban

[NoahKirchner]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary): Allow players to work of permabans or just long-term normal bans by doing work for the server.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole): Rehabilitate players and speed up development.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc): Give players who are banned for a really long period of time the ability to do some work for the server, like writing stuff on the wikis, minor spriting etc, in exchange for like a week off their ban time.

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it): Mapping, obviously.

[Biolock]

This is the strangest suggestion I have EVER seen on this forum, and I've been here a long ass time.

[NoahKirchner]

This is the strangest suggestion I have EVER seen on this forum, and I've been here a long ass time.

I was talking to a guy on the forums and I thought of this.

[Helgraf]

This is interesting....... I'm gonna go neutral for now.

[TopHatPenguin]

I think this is a great idea although I don't think making perma banned/lengthy banned players into ghetto devs is right considering the dev app process.

[coroneljones]

Make them farm bitcoins for the staff

For the suggestion itself, may be interesting and it may work, but will anyone REALLY do it?

[NoahKirchner]

Make them farm bitcoins for the staff

For the suggestion itself, may be interesting and it may work, but will anyone REALLY do it?

((Don't tell anyone but this is my secret permaban fallback plan (even rhymes) so I'ma just make a bunch of sprites and maps, get this accepted, then when permabanned "here haev sum sprites I made" but shhhhhhh))

[Jroinc1]

Hmm.
+1
Add a way for players to show that they're serious about commitment, BUT state that while this may be taken into consideration, the unban will be left up to staff discretion.

[Doc]

I think this is a great idea although I don't think making perma banned/lengthy banned players into ghetto devs is right considering the dev app process.

I'm fairly sure the dev application process is so in-depth because, as coders or whatnot, they would have access to the servers base code- I can't think of any reason the server would want to deny free work, were it offered, and risk-free regarding the existing contents of the server. In this case, I +1, as it's a good way for someone that's actually serious about rejoining the community that they care and are willing to put in time and effort to show it, and with something that the server can use to grow to boot.

[TopHatPenguin]

I'm fairly sure the dev application process is so in-depth because, as coders or whatnot, they would have access to the servers base code- I can't think of any reason the server would want to deny free work, were it offered, and risk-free regarding the existing contents of the server. In this case, I +1, as it's a good way for someone that's actually serious about rejoining the community that they care and are willing to put in time and effort to show it, and with something that the server can use to grow to boot.

Just realised that what I put makes 0 sense in the context of this suggestion and for some reason I thought that having banned fellows do coding/mapping/spriting old lead to a sort of fast track for them to become devs, as they would gain more experience on Cm and be basically working as a dev just unofficially. On a side note I had another thought which could be a problem:

Pretty much what I was thinking would be the issue here is that in order to get banned players to do free coding/mapping doesn't that require the same codebase and the same (not checksum for the code but similar?) checksum kind of thing in order for it to work?

[Sarah_U.]

Obviously if you do this, you're not allowing them to touch EVEN REMOTELY to the normal github, otherwise you're not only getting my most massive -1, but also a very long angry stare from my end.

Even then, I'm neutral leaning on -1. There shouldn't be a suggestion for this, as the player him/herself can do it by their own volition and having this would only encourage players to do it for the reward instead of showing their pure dedication to be redeemed and to the betterment of the community.
If you truly want to do a suggestion that reward all the playerbase, give development tokens to voluntary workers that would grant them access to the donor shop after they earn enough (Obviously, the larger the contributions the more points they earn, etc).

These points, could be accounted during the banning process (PERHAPS...), but yea... I just prefer twisting your suggestion, because overall I see a lot of ways this kind of thing could slightly backfire.
"I don't have time." "I don't have the talent." "I don't have the knowledge."

[Polkjm]

This sounds like a very weird suggestion, but...

At the end of the day, if we get free bonus quality sprites, why the hell not?

+1

[NoahKirchner]

Obviously if you do this, you're not allowing them to touch EVEN REMOTELY to the normal github, otherwise you're not only getting my most massive -1, but also a very long angry stare from my end.

Even then, I'm neutral leaning on -1. There shouldn't be a suggestion for this, as the player him/herself can do it by their own volition and having this would only encourage players to do it for the reward instead of showing their pure dedication to be redeemed and to the betterment of the community.
If you truly want to do a suggestion that reward all the playerbase, give development tokens to voluntary workers that would grant them access to the donor shop after they earn enough (Obviously, the larger the contributions the more points they earn, etc).

These points, could be accounted during the banning process (PERHAPS...), but yea... I just prefer twisting your suggestion, because overall I see a lot of ways this kind of thing could slightly backfire.
"I don't have time." "I don't have the talent." "I don't have the knowledge."

My thinking with this was that, even though the banned player *is* working for a reward, it's work that requires a fair bit of dedication to learn and properly do. If I'm griffer #690 I'm not gonna take time out of my week to learn how to make a sprite for a server that I don't care about. As far as the token thing goes, I'm not making this suggestion to have more community involvement in development. The sprites/whatever that the people who are banned make aren't even 100% going to be used in the game, it's more a way to show that you're dedicated to reform as opposed to developing new content (however it could absolutely be used for new content if the situation permits). As far as the github thing goes, I was thinking that the finished product would be given to whoever's handling the appeal through another service, and then it'd only be applied to the github under the rare circumstance that it'd be used.

[Sarah_U.]

My thinking with this was that, even though the banned player *is* working for a reward, it's work that requires a fair bit of dedication to learn and properly do. If I'm griffer #690 I'm not gonna take time out of my week to learn how to make a sprite for a server that I don't care about. As far as the token thing goes, I'm not making this suggestion to have more community involvement in development. The sprites/whatever that the people who are banned make aren't even 100% going to be used in the game, it's more a way to show that you're dedicated to reform as opposed to developing new content (however it could absolutely be used for new content if the situation permits). As far as the github thing goes, I was thinking that the finished product would be given to whoever's handling the appeal through another service, and then it'd only be applied to the github under the rare circumstance that it'd be used.

Took all that into account when making my post, thing is, I know griefers that would gladly troll and take the time to draw ** out of their free time to get a second go and do it in a worse manner... But even then, I see where your point stands and I really prefer to grant a method for the whole community to benefit rather than a select few individuals.

[Casany]

As someone who has dabbled in spriting, it isn't THAT hard. Though, shading is VERY hard. Anyway, neutral leaning on -1. Perma bans shouldn't be worked off. You have to be a REAL shirker to get a perma ban. They should work as intended. The current system works, so if it works why change it?

[NoahKirchner]

As someone who has dabbled in spriting, it isn't THAT hard. Though, shading is VERY hard. Anyway, neutral leaning on -1. Perma bans shouldn't be worked off. You have to be a REAL shirker to get a perma ban. They should work as intended. The current system works, so if it works why change it?

This won't be for all perma bans or even perma bans per say, it just might chip a little time off a 3 month ban to show that you're dedicated to the server, or maybe give you a bit of a leg to stand on in a permaban appeal. As it stands, if you're permabanned and you get an appeal denied once, there's nothing you can do to prove that you've changed or to make people think differently of you. If you put in a ton of hours working on your downtime to show that you've ACTUALLY changed, maybe then you can start to change your opinion on them because they've proved that they're legitimately sorry.

[Casany]

This won't be for all perma bans or even perma bans per say, it just might chip a little time off a 3 month ban to show that you're dedicated to the server, or maybe give you a bit of a leg to stand on in a permaban appeal. As it stands, if you're permabanned and you get an appeal denied once, there's nothing you can do to prove that you've changed or to make people think differently of you. If you put in a ton of hours working on your downtime to show that you've ACTUALLY changed, maybe then you can start to change your opinion on them because they've proved that they're legitimately sorry.

But with the way the server works (close sourced) there is nothing they can ACTUALLY do.

[NoahKirchner]

But with the way the server works (close sourced) there is nothing they can ACTUALLY do.

I never said it was gonna be implemented, just make a sprite and send it through discord or something, if the admins really like it for some reason then they can implement it on their own, but they're mainly just working to show that they're willing to work hard to prove that they can be better

[Polkjm]

Now that I rethink about it, if you're that dedicated, you don't need a specific rule. Just show admins your good will and hard work if you want and they'll decide on their own.

You said this was a plan to get yourself out of trouble in the future yourself... If you love Colonial Marines that much, just focus on not breaking rules and you should be fine

[slc97]

I'm pretty sure if we couldn't trust a player to behave enough to not get permad that we shouldn't be trusting them to work on the forum or server.

I'm gonna be thinkin -1 on this one.

[NoahKirchner]

I'm pretty sure if we couldn't trust a player to behave enough to not get permad that we shouldn't be trusting them to work on the forum or server.

I'm gonna be thinkin -1 on this one.

It won't be working, if anything they do goes in it'll all be slave labour.

[Snypehunter007]

-1, mate.

[forwardslashN]

I don't think this is feasible for people who really want to get back from permas. There's also the point that they may not improve their behavior in the game. Denied.