Ban appeal + engi job ban appeal

[Abbysynth]

Your Byond ID: Absynth

Character Name: Grandma Jimjams

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban): 3 day ban + perma engi ban

Admin who banned you (if known): scl97


Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):

Reason: Self-antagging, as CE got, C4 and breached the armory in order to "fix a light", was found to be carrying 3 pistols instead of the one allowed by the rules, and disrespecting staff. Player is ex-staff and has been here a very long time. She should know better..

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):

Alright, so the CO went down to the planet and basically abandoned the ship to myself as CE, the XO, and a bunch of MPs. Also Jack Knight, the Screaming CL. Using cameras I was looking through the ship due to reports of larva snakes on board. I noticed the armory light was off so I went down and blew into the lowered shutter using a stick of C4 that was on the floor just down the hall. The armory was already fully looted with even the lockers empty so I have no idea why the shutters were down. In any case as I was repairing the light the CL and an MP raced down and began screaming that I was stealing things out of the armory (I did take an empty Highpower but it was outside, and had an empty 88 mod 4 I found in engineering like 2 hours previous).

I fixed the door and wires and such and the MP took my guns, it was about 10 minutes after that that SLC97 tells me I have a 3 day ban and a perma engi jobban, much to my confusion since it was all handled ICly and seemed like a super minor thing. I mean there's rounds where I collect a stack of guns in my department for If Shit Goes Down, it's not like I was shooting any of them or even taking them out of my backpack.

Disrespecting staff though, yeah guilty of that. If I feel I'm getting treated unfairly I make it very loudly known.

[Abbysynth]

I should mention all of this was happening during red alert with reports of aliens on the Sulaco.

[slc97]

I'm going to go ahead and throw this up here as further disrespect of staff after the appeal was posted.
https://gyazo.com/fb64b5ea6387b43cc9faadbc5fa970b6

[Feweh]

Abby how many talks have you and I had about this stuff?
The last one I lifted your ban without an appeal simply because I was being nice.

This is like the exact same circumstance again leading to your ban. Doing things you shouldnt be doing in your job position.

[Abbysynth]

I think we disagree on what a certain job should be doing. I don't see anything wrong with a CE breaking into a shuttered room to search for aliens who may be hiding there; the armory was already looted long before I broke in and had nothing at all in it but the random spare mags. I already KNEW this long before I went in, because the CO announced it over comms. The chief engineer is in charge of the safety of EVERY part of the ship, including the places they can't normally get into; it's part of the job description to know how to get into difficult to reach areas. I've never been warned or punished about breaking into armory before; how am I supposed to magically know it's not allowed? Like almost every time I get punished for something it's not actually written down anywhere except in generic enough terms that you can use it to punish for anything.

[Feweh]

Ok but heres the thing.

It doesnt matter what you agree or disagree on.
If we tell you to stop doing it and we've warned you multiple times, you need to stop.

This isnt a matter of "well I think its ok so it should be fine", its a matter of being told to stop doing this kind of stuff and you continue to do it.

The actions you do in-game are extremely LOW RP and you draw a lot of attention to yourself because you do things out of the ordinary.

[coroneljones]

Alright witness posting.
First, I do belive you had the 88 mod 4 as soon as you got out of cryo, since I saw you with it at requisitions, giving him some sniper ammo before heading to engineering

Second, you did not "Fix" the light at all once the armory was broken into, you picked up a single mag before I reported you to the MPs, once the MP tried to search you, you pushed them and ran off shortly after, not fixing the light nor sealing what you did.

Third, you were previously warned for carrying around a shotgun, pre-boarding, and then proceeded to keep it near engineering within easy reach, if that was not you, then this point is invalid.

Fourth, no xeno was mentioned in a long time, I belive one larva was mentioned BEFORE the CO left a while back, but then I belive it was either killed, or the report was false as nobody was having any issues with xenos and the mother scans didnt show them.

Fifth, your "reasoning" that you talked about IC, for blowing up the shutters was that "It was already empty", it still had some weapons in there along with grenades

[Abbysynth]

I did fix the door and I was looking for a spare bulb. I picked up the mag because I misclicked on the light. You really care that much about picking up (and then dropping) a single smg mag? What?

We were on red alert, the CO had gone down, and there was multiple warnings of xenos on the ship. If that's not reasoning enough for someone high on the chain of command to get armed I don't know what is. The MP looted my backpack and I went to do other stuff after it was returned.

The armory had literally two pistols (the one I picked up was empty), a single incendiary grenade and a bunch of nonstandard weapon mags. I was on cams and that's how I noticed the secure armory lights were out. A 3 day ban and a permaban for C4ing a single shutter as the CE is absurd.

[coroneljones]

I did fix the door

Yea...No, the door was kept bolted open all the time till the round ended

And for exact info, it had multiple HE grenades
And the Skorpion Mag was on a rack, not anywhere near the light

On that note, why didnt you already bring a spare light with you before blowing your way in, or asked the XO to open it

[Abbysynth]

If it stayed bolted it's because someone didn't close it. I unbolted the door. I thought I had a light replacer with me, turns out I didn't. I don't understand why you are nitpicking about such minor details. The rack of mags is right next to the light, if you hadn't noticed. It was a mag nobody had a weapon for. Was I going to steal it and run out? Even if so, why is that suddenly fine for a 3 day ban? Shouldn't it be dealt with in game?

What exactly is the rule I broke here? Metagaming? I didn't get any benefit out of it. The armory was well looted already and the light was broken; therefore as the CE I had every right to be in there, who cares how I got in? I didn't take anything out of the armory either except the broken light.

XO was already pretty busy dealing with you screaming and screaming that entire round, Coronel.

[Abbysynth]

I think the most annoying thing about all this is you're turning something that's a pretty minor sentence in-game that could be dealt with so easily that round (minor jail sentence) and instead you made it into this big OOC deal. What the fuck? Why am I the one out of 50 random people this week who've blown open armory who gets penned for it?

[Snypehunter007]

\What the fuck? Why am I the one out of 50 random people this week who've blown open armory who gets penned for it?

Most CE's typically don't take a piece of C4 to the closed and shuttered armory door to fix a light . . .

[Feweh]

It's like blowing your front door open with explosives because you notice the light in basement was off.
Great you plan on fixing the door after, but why the fuck did you have to blow the door open for a light?

Just like on CM you shouldnt be running around with c4 as the CE, so like in real life... The police are going to ask you why the fuck you have explosives on you and why you had to blow your door open to do this minor task.

[Abbysynth]

Look, when I play CE I don't fuck around. If there's something broken it gets fixed, especially if it's in a critical area. With the CO and the marines having already taken everything out of it there was nothing in there I wanted, I got to it on cams and the lights were out, so I went down to check it out. It's a pretty natural reaction for any CE to make. Why not have the police handle it in game? I don't get why this evolved into a (pretty harsh) OOC punishment.

If you are asking why I don't act like the 'typical' CE it's because the typical CE is a useless lump of an idiot who can't do jack shit without tripping and breaking a pipe and spraying gas everywhere. If there is a problem with the ship and I am CE I will fix it.

If I had of C4'd open the armory at the start of round then I would agree with this punishment 100%. But this was at red alert after the CO had gone down to the planet, with word of aliens on board.. Come on. I am entirely justified in getting in there as armed as I want.

[Jroinc1]

Snip

As CE, you blew an airlock into a pile of unsuable scrap to change a LIGHTBULB? That wasn't your reason. Even if it was, I'd support a ban for that too.

[Abbysynth]

As CE, you blew an airlock into a pile of unsuable scrap to change a LIGHTBULB? That wasn't your reason. Even if it was, I'd support a ban for that too.

What? I did not blow up an airlock. I blew up a shutter. The airlock was fine.

[Jroinc1]

What? I did not blow up an airlock. I blew up a shutter. The airlock was fine.

What you did was not a reasonable action for any engineering staff. Not for your stated reason.

[Whistle]

Alright witness posting.

Third, you were previously warned for carrying around a shotgun, pre-boarding, and then proceeded to keep it near engineering within easy reach, if that was not you, then this point is invalid.

It was, I checked prints.

[Abbysynth]

What you did was not a reasonable action for any engineering staff. Not for your stated reason.

I disagree. Have you MET Grandma Jimjams?

[Abbysynth]

It was, I checked prints.

I have never been warned for keeping guns around as CE or CL, not even once.

How many admins were there on my case for this? 4? Was that really necessary?

[Abbysynth]

I mean I got a 3-day ban and an engi permaban for literally C4ing a single shutter that led to nowhere special. No other damage, nobody hurt, no items stolen. How is this fair and reasonable? What rule did I actually break? I could literally have gone in when the CO was in there and taken anything I wanted. Metagaming? I got nothing out of C4ing that shutter except access to a room with no light that could have hostile aliens in it. Powergaming? There's literally no other way in there except asking the CO (who was down on planet) or XO (who was the only command staff and was busy), and if you don't think engineers know how to use explosives.. That's kinda part of their job.

The only reasonable thing I can think of is that one of the admin's family members is a shutter, and me C4ing that shutter triggered them into thinking it was some kind of abuse. Did a shutter maybe touch you inappropriately when you were a child? Did the shutter lobby get to you, and paid you off??

Yes, I had three guns, two empty pistols and an M4A3. During red alert, as the 2nd highest head of command in the round. We're really nitpicking over carrying guns now? It was even armor that fit on my jumpsuit, meaning I was supposed to be able to wear it.

[Abbysynth]

It feels like I can't even guess anymore what's going to get me banned and instead certain admins are just using whatever I do as an excuse. C4ing an empty armory shutter? Picking up and dropping a single skorpion mag? having a few spare empty guns? What the fuck, how are these such big crimes all of a sudden?

[Toroic]

Look, when I play CE I don't fuck around. If there's something broken it gets fixed, especially if it's in a critical area.

Unless it's a lightbulb, apparently.

I mean, I've read over everything written thus far and you have a long history of highly questionable RP decisions.

Under no circumstances is it necessary or smart to c4 your way into the armory. If xenos are in there, you need backup. If not, then you should easily be able to have someone open that for you.

You can't really paint yourself as a badass competent CE when you didn't ever fix what you went in there to fix, and I am personally quite tired of you painting yourself as a victim after the enormous amount of slack staff has cut you already.

You play CE like it's a low RP server where they have approved greytiding privilages. No military outfit in the world is going to take kindly to unapproved explosives to change a lightbulb, which again, you didn't even do.

The whole situation looks like a flimsy pretext to break into the armory for powergame purposes, as how would you know if it didn't have anything worthwhile if it was dark?

I'm very much against your ban or jobban being appealed.

[slc97]

I disagree. Have you MET Grandma Jimjams?

Ridiculously low RP is not justified by "well that's just how I play my character"

[Abbysynth]

Ridiculously low RP is not justified by "well that's just how I play my character"

Is 'ridiculously low RP' against the rules? No? Then why am I being punished? What rule did I break?