Please Release Job-Ban

[basejumper123]

Your Byond ID: TacticalMuteInbound

Character Name: Ben Mitchell

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban): Job-ban

Admin who banned you (if known): Unknown

Total Ban Duration: About 6 Months to-date

Remaining Duration: Apparently Indefinite

What other servers do you play on? Paradise, Yogstation from time to time

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones? No

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned): I was informed that I used excessive force against an arrested marine who verbally abused (and later physically resisted) me.

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable): No previous bans

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): I believe that my ban has made its point clear. While the marine in question did resist me as an MP - I never intended to beat him to the degree I did with the "Harm" setting. I only intended to subdue him in order to restrain him in his cell. I will not - in future - harm any fellow marine and will to the best of my ability restrain my use of force to the greatest degree possible. I feel that I've contributed positively to the server in playing most roles and would like to be allowed a second chance. I reiterate that none of this was intentional and that I have always been respectful to the chain of command and to the admins.

[Tharinoma]

Hello TacticalMuteInbound,

Here are your notes:

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Warned for Carrying a Weapon in Code Green, doesn't know any MP Procedure. by someone on Sat, July 22nd of 2017

Warned for Suicide. Suicided for no particular reason. Linked to server rules and told to familiarize themselves with it. by someone on Mon, July 31st of 2017

Banned from Military Police - Harmbatonned and punched a prisoner. Has been warned for MP stuff before. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Tue, August 1st of 2017 Remove

Banned from Chief MP - Harmbatonned and punched a prisoner. Has been warned for MP stuff before. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Tue, August 1st of 2017 Remove

Went afk as a squad engineer at round start. Didn't ban since they don't have any prior notes like this. Job ban next time it happens. by someone on Tue, August 15th of 2017

How come you "never intended to beat him to the degree [you] did with the "Harm" setting" when you punched the prisoner? One hit with the baton, especially on harm intent, is more than enough to subdue anyone, it downs them for an eternity. I find it hard to believe none of it was intentionnal.

That being said... It's been a while since the jobban. Have you been playing alot since august?

You will get a ruling on your appeal as soon as the bigmins have time to investigate it.

[basejumper123]

At the time I did not realize that harm was set - it was a stupid mistake on my part. I have played some - but not a lot in the intervening time. I did review all the documentation on the role after this incident and I understand why I messed up. The prisoner wasn't fully disarmed/disarmored when he was first hit - I believe this is why he didn't go down and why I tried to fight him harder. The prisoner was attempting to disarm me and escape at the time.

I understand that ignorance is no excuse on this server, but I hope you would take into account that nothing I've ever done has been maliciously intended.

[Tharinoma]

You punched the prisoner something like 5 times, then harmbatonned him around seven times. One single use of any stun weaponry at your disposal would have downed him for enough time to handcuff him, by far. Wearing armor or weapons doesn't change this.
I fail to see how you wouldn't notice the big red text repeatedly appearing in your chatbox screaming at you you're harming the prisoner.

Now I'm concerned, all potential malicious intent aside, that you don't have enough game mechanics knowledge to play MP. In what circumstances do you think it is acceptable for you to use any form of lethal weapons on a suspect/prisoner, or harm them in any way?

[basejumper123]

When they are actively fighting you and trying to take your weapon from you? This wasn't a single-sided beat-down - this was a prisoner refusing to be disarmed and handcuffed. I was put on my back more than once during this.

He got a weapon away from me at more than one point in the scuffle. Surely prisoners fighting back like that isn't permitted either right?

[Tharinoma]

Here's a quote from marine law:

Dangerous Suspect (has used a lethal weapon against law enforcement)

-Ensure you have a non-lethal response prepared
-Engage the suspect and attempt to subdue them. Minimize collateral damage.
-If the suspect cannot be subdued with non-lethal force, the Chief MP or acting commander may authorize a lethal force response in extreme situations, primarily when Marine lives and/or the safety of the ship are at risk.
-Secure the suspect and any weapons they had and inform them of their charges.
-Bring the suspect to the Brig

This is in the hands of the bigmins now.

[Emeraldblood]

You've played 1 day this month and that's it for the past 3 months. Don't expect this to get lifted until you're going to start putting some time into actually playing on the server and showing us you're not going to cause any problems.

[apophis775]

Denied.

You need to show you can play and follow the rules before we lift this.