Bran232's ban apeal

[Bran232]

Your Byond ID:Bran232

Character Name:Cesar'Wheelman'McAllister

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban):Timed ban

Admin who banned you (if known):You have been banned by emeraldblood.

Total Ban Duration:Three days

Remaining Duration:Three days

What other servers do you play on?

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones?

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):
Reason: Broke into cargo during low-pop after attachments were denied which lead to a whole riot over them. Create a staff report/ban appeal on the forums if you wish to contest this.

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):Durring the conversation with EmeraldBlood, she seemed intent on blaming me for the attachment riot. Which was not at all the case. It was the start of the round, and I was the RPG spec. I needed a m39 holster for my kit, so I broke a window, hopped into cargo, and took the holster, A PO, whom I cannot remember, was there, and he informed the MPs to my misdoings. Anyways, I got arrested after I turned myself into the MP. Anyways, while Im in the brig, the PO from earlier decided to C4 the attachment vendor because other marines were breaking in. So later in the round, I was dead, and than joined as a larva, when EmeraldBlood started to ask me if I broke into cargo, claiming I started the attachment riot such and such. I did no such thing, I am NOT responsible for anything another player does. It was also apparent to me, none of the other parties involved with cargo were talked too, nor investigated. Almost like I was singled out. Prior to this ban, I was also documented for LOOC In IC, saying "STRAP C4 TO THE PO!!!" As a joke. In my opinion, this was twisted to simply get me introuble. As to that note, I was not the only one saying things like that over LOOC, and it was deemed fit to be sat at my feet.

I kinda rambled here, so if I wasn't clear on something, simply reply with your concerns/questions, and I'll get back to you.

[apophis775]

Were there any broken windows before you decided to unga dunga your way into cargo?

[Denied_Existence]

As a witness to most of what transpired, I can say that Bran's actions had very little to do with what occured.

Roundstart well into about 12:18, there weren't any cargo personnel, and aCO was currently a PO, Amir, most marines were just standing in line wondering what would be done and if they should keep waiting or not, there wasn't really any rioting.

I do not know for certain if Bran was the first person to break into req, but even if he was, he was quickly followed by the aCO with some engineers to attempt to unlock the vendor via the wires, and certainly they'd have done so if he hadn't. There was still no rioting at this point. A few joking Unga Dungas mabye, (Myself included, eventually followed the sound of wires and breaking glass and entered myself to see what was going on. Flipped a few tables in jest.), but no actual riot, it was pretty calm as most understood it was lowpop, and others were on the job.

You of course, cannot hack the attachment vendor anymore, so the engineers obviously failed. The PO decided to order the vendor to be blown up...but it had nothing to do with anti-riot measures. The appearance was either he was attempting to cause the machine to spit out some attachments by breaking it, or supposedly that he wanted to give the marines still standing hopeful in line a reason to stop standing around. (Was mentioned in LOOC at some point, I don't remember with certainty if it was by Amir).

Again, still at this time there was no true rioting in progress, quite calm if unorganized.

Anyway, so he gave this order, and the Alpha engineer (Agg I think), disagreed, but the delta engineer decided to go through with the aCO's orders and planted a charge...with predictable results. I had watched, knowing it would not end well.

AFTER the attachments vendor detonated, within moments a CT walked in past the PO, and had an aneurysm. Thus began a...riot? It honestly still seemed pretty calm to be honest, a lot of yapping in LOOC, and Bran certainly wasn't the only one. I found the whole thing a little amusing myself. Perhaps he should have been joking IC rather than LOOC?

Regardless, the PO then had to do briefing, and we deployed semi-chaotically, but eventually got our shit together enough to get rekt in the caves.

In conclusion:
Does Bran deserve a 3 day ban for Unga-ing through the Req windows when the aCO was planning to try to have the vendor hacked anyway? I don't know.

Was he the primary cause of what occurred? I don't think so, no, he just happened to be the first (assuming he even was) to get to the windows.

[Bran232]

I broke the window.

[Emeraldblood]

Well, guess I need to throw in everything that's wrong so far.
A. It's policy to not be telling you about everyone else's punishments. I told you I you I've been dealing with it. To further back this, I banned you like at least an hour after this all went down. I dropped everything I was planning on doing to have to deal with this whole mess.

B. From the people I talked to about it, you were the first person to break in which in turn lead to tonnes of marines going into Cargo and just looting whatever they felt like taking. Cargo is not something the marines can just bash their way into and take whatever they want because there is no cargo personnel. You don't go around breaking into some store in life because there is no one there to serve you.

C. I didn't say you were the sole cause for all of this, I said that you were one of the people that set off what went down. While it may have gone down even if you didn't break in, you weren't helping make it better and you were the first one to get the ball rolling.

D. The reason I gave you a 3-day ban is that you have THIRTY-NINE notes over the past like ten months or so. I even warned you about a month ago that if you keep acting up there will be punishments. We even just lifted your Specialist ban under the pretense that you were going to shape up.

E. A mod gave you that notice because that statement is a vague IC threat at best. Either you say, "Oh, it's just a joke," or you actually gain traction and then try to cause even more problems. Then you argued with them about it and refused to drop it even after they told you to make a forum report about it if you want to contest it.

I'm sure I could go on if I had to, but overall, you deserved this ban. We've given you so many warnings and the fact you keep pulling shit and thinking you can just get away with everything has gone too far. There are RULES to the server that you seem to refuse to follow, thinking you're above them. The fact I even gave you a 3-day is pretty nice when I could have easily pushed a perma because, and I directly quote, "Cause if we lift this and you break the specialist rules or get job-banned again, I'm just gonna throw a Perma-ban." - Apop. At this point, I'm pretty tired of having to deal with you the small amount I have, and I feel bad for all the thirty-five notes that I didn't have to deal with.

[JennerH]

Half a dozen other marines including myself broke into req for the sole purpose of needing shit that's vital to our roles. I admit to being the first to break the south entrance windows while the accused is most likely the one who broke North entrance. There were no cargo staff on hand and no one else was willing to hand out attachments so we did what we had to, then the PO C4'd vendors as a CT woke up from cryo, to which I ahelp for mutiny, get denied and the op carries on.

To conclude, the accused being singled out for the cause is unjust and the only person who is responsible for any mayhem was the mentioned PO for blowing up attachments. The rest of the round went smooth as butter (for lowpop, and marines got crushed in caves)

[apophis775]

We do elevate bans based on note history. So, what probably for a normal player would have been a warning or a 3-hour ban may have become that 3-day because of your note history.

We can investigate this further, but I'm exhausted from all the grading and such I've been doing for finals this week, so it will have to wait.


Also, Jenner:

YOU DO NOT NEED ANYTHING FROM CARGO EVER. It's all optional. None of it is a necessity. It's entitled thinking like that, which causes situations like this.

[JennerH]

I was not the call to arms to break into req, however, I was just the first deltard to get moving once we agreed over comms.

Don't flip my honesty on me please, I didn't have to speak up about this

[JennerH]

Also, Jenner:

YOU DO NOT NEED ANYTHING FROM CARGO EVER. It's all optional. None of it is a necessity. It's entitled thinking like that, which causes situations like this.

You're right, I'm sorry. It's becoming a habit as a role like spec or sg to expect gear from cargo, and I'm gonna keep this in mind next time

[Bran232]

To further continue.

A. I am not responsible for what other players do, it was their decision to break into cargo and serve themselves, like I did. You cannot lay the blame of an "attachment riot" (If you can even call it that.) At my feet. Even if I was the first one to break in.

B. The decision making of the aCO were the defining actions that caused unrest over the players.

C. " The reason I gave you a 3-day ban is that you have THIRTY-NINE notes over the past like ten months or so. I even warned you about a month ago that if you keep acting up there will be punishments." Even if I have that many notes, that hardly warranted the action you took. I didn't break any of the rules, despite your argument otherwise.

D."We even just lifted your Specialist ban under the pretense that you were going to shape up." I have, in my opinion, shaped up. I haven't done anything to warrant notes until today, even than, in my opinion, were quite undeserving issued.

E. "Cause if we lift this and you break the specialist rules or get job-banned again, I'm just gonna throw a Perma-ban." - Apop. I haven't broken a specialist rule, or been issued a job ban. As par the conditions set by Apophis.

F."I'm pretty tired of having to deal with you the small amount I have." I haven't enjoyed talking to you either.

G. " I dropped everything I was planning on doing to have to deal with this whole mess." There really wasn't much of a mess to begin with. You took it out of proportion. It was hardly a full blown riot, just malcontent over the decision making of the aCO. I didn't create this mess, merely a tiny fraction of it that came up when the decision making of the aCO blew me into your investigation.

I could go on and on too, but I think I'll stop here until the input of others is in.

[apophis775]

So, you guys say a Cargo tech finally came along, and was upset that his area was smashed up?

Perhaps because inconsiderate entitled assholes like the two of you broke the windows and started the whole thing on people going in, pretty much ending his round when he sees his work area is all fucked to shit?

I'll investigate the rest of this tomorrow, but primarily to track down other people who were involve to hand out additional bans so that people might understand that shit like this is not ok.

During Medium/HighPop this would probably be ICly handled if there are MPs to handle it properly, but I will not allow people to take advantage of the fact that people aren't playing as MP during lowpop to ravager the work areas of other players to the point that they can't do the jobs they join the server for.

It's just fucking stupid.


And, to respond in the same unncessary break-down manner you did:

A. Our procedure is that if there's a big fucking riot or situation, we find the source and take actions on that person, as well as others involved.

B. the aCO isn't the one who broke the windows and let people in

C. You have 39 notes. Our 100% standard procedure is to apply increased punishments based on how many notes you have. If I was there, you'd probably have gotten a 7 day ban.

D. Your opinion on improvement you've had doesn't matter. It's ours opinion you have to change.

E (which is C for you for some reason). You haven't broken the specialist rules yet, but that doesn't mean other rule-breaks might not also result in a permaban. We frequently permaban for toxicity/disruptive behavior.

F. You don't need to enjoy talking to him. His job isn't to necessarily be enjoyable to talk to at all times, it's to enforce the rule of law on the server, and that means it wont' be "enjoyable" if you are on the receiving end of punishment from rule-breaks.

G. If you broke the window, you started the mess.




And for reference, using "line-by-line" responses with letters/numbers isn't really something we look favorably upon in ban appeals and if you want some advice:

Stop while you are ahead and check yourself. Because if this continues the direction it appears to be going, you're gonna have a bad time. Maybe calm down before you reply.

[Feweh]

Luckily apop got to this first or thered be a big smack down.

Youre notoriously bad Bran, so the leniency for even IC shenanigans is almost bon existent for you. This is a Medium RP server, stop being a self entitled idiot.

[Bran232]

It was ICly handled. I turned myself into an MP immediately after... and as for the line by line reply, your own admin used it. So I did the same

[apophis775]

They were giving you individual points for reference. Not for you to try and nit-pick the response apart.

The thing here, is you debating that you didn't deserve the 3 day ban for your actions. Appeals are a place for you to plead your case, not soapbox. Give YOUR reasoning why the ban was unfair. If it's convincing, we'll make a change, if not, you have to defend your position. Not pick apart the opposite.

Cause getting into a pissing fight with a senior staff when you have such a long history of negative notes is not a way to remain on the server.

[Emeraldblood]

You know, I'm usually a pretty nice person, but when you argue over every single thing we talk to you about and act so entitled, it really does not make me want to give you any sympathy. You even argued with me back when I was letting you know that you've been getting a lot of notes and you've got to start shaping up so you're not surprised if you get banned in the future, something I was telling you about for your own good. Everything you do is not situationally free from the rules where you can just wiggle your way out of it. If you didn't argue with me the whole time about me asking you about breaking into cargo, I may have just given you a three hour at worst. Every single time any staff member has to talk to you, you try to create a huge debate about how the rule in question doesn't apply to you. You did it to another staff member in the same round.
My goal on the server is not to seek you out and find something to ban you over. I talked to a lot of people during that they said that "the charlie spec" was the first one who broke into cargo which then lead to a lot of other marines breaking in as well. This isn't even bringing up the fact you flat out told me, "I break into cargo all the time and a staff member has never talked to me about it before." You are not entitled to the items within cargo. You're not entitled to have the best whatever that round. Frankly, you've done nothing but put yourself over everyone else on the server, regardless of the impact for others. I shouldn't have to start getting on a bunch of players because you felt like you were owed an M39 holster from cargo so you just decided to break in even though it was told there would be no supplies from Cargo.

[Bran232]

My point regarding the situation is how you're claiming I am the sole one responsible for the behavior of the other players. I'm not, what they do is their own decision making, that is the point I'm trying to reach. If I wasn't the first one into cargo, I would have simply been the second, the third, or the fourth. So on.

Nor due I think I'm entitled. Yes, I argue my case, far beyond what I should. I need to know when to shut the fuck up, that is an issue I have. My displeasure came from a viewpoint of being singled out for an incident that I was not alone in, nor did I feel that I sparked. The aCO make a decision to blow up the attachment vendor, which resulted in much displeasure from the marine base present at the time. Resulting in this discussion currently.

While I understand the point that no one is entitled to shit from cargo, I've never been met with lash over my breaking into cargo and seizing gear I wanted. Its always been ICly handled.(Myself in the brig.) Never have I dealt with a staff member finding it to be discussion worthy.

"Our procedure is that if there's a big fucking riot or situation, we find the source and take actions on that person, as well as others involved." There was hardly a riot. It was mostly LOOC discontent memery. It was a 'civil' riot at that I know of, perhaps there were players whom took it to far, but as to my knowledge, nothing severe occurred, and if things did, I had no part. I simply broke into cargo, took what I wanted, and turned myself over to the MP for a sit in the cell so I could deploy on time.

"If you broke the window, you started the mess." I find that to be hardly true. I broke in, yes. Did I incite command to make a silly decision and blow up an important item in cargo? No. The playerbases decision to break into cargo was not something I inspired. I was merely the first.

"I do not know for certain if Bran was the first person to break into req, but even if he was, he was quickly followed by the aCO with some engineers to attempt to unlock the vendor via the wires, and certainly they'd have done so if he hadn't. There was still no rioting at this point. A few joking Unga Dungas mabye, (Myself included, eventually followed the sound of wires and breaking glass and entered myself to see what was going on. Flipped a few tables in jest.), but no actual riot, it was pretty calm as most understood it was lowpop, and others were on the job." - Jenner.

I'll leave it at that.

[slc97]

Since you said yourself that you need to know when to shut the fuck up, I'm gonna tell you that it's now.

This entire situation is ridiculous. No member of the military would break into requisitions and steal military equipment because they were told they couldn't have it. That's ridiculous.

One of emerald's better qualities that I tried and failed to train out of her when she was a mod is leniency. If I had been the one to catch you doing this, you would have received 7 days and I would have filed for you to be permabanned because your behavior and history is absolutely ridiculous. So rather than coming in here and starting a massive shitstorm, you should be thankful you only got 3 days, and you should start shaping up right now, because you are getting closer and closer to a perma.

[Emeraldblood]

I don't know if you actually believe none of this is your fault or you're simply trying wiggle out of the blame. While you may not have told everyone, "Hey, lets break our way into cargo," you were the first one who took it upon themselves to break into cargo in front of a bunch of other marines which LEAD to others breaking in as well and the aCO ending up blowing up the attachment vendor to try to stop it. Because you don't seem to listen, I'll flat out say it this time. I talked to both the aCO and the engineer about making questionable choices. I also talked to a few other people as well did other mods about the whole thing. You're not being singled out and you're not the only one who we've warned/punished for this. I didn't say, "Oh, Bran is on so let's just pin all the blame on him and call it a day."
While you may not personally think it was a big mess, what you feel like it didn't matter. We had probably 10+ marines (Out of around 37 marines that game) start breaking into cargo to do things that people should know better. This is compounded by the fact there was no command staff other than some PO, no cargo crew, and very few MP's who even ahelped that they didn't know what to do about everything going down. Saying, "Oh, I break into cargo every time I don't get what I want," is stupid and adds nothing for server role-play. All Marines are the ship is expected to act as logical people would, which is the rule and the fact you've broken into cargo who knows how many times at this point, you're showing us that you're incapable of making logical decisions yourself.

[apophis775]

Not Entitled?

I'm pretty sure the first thing you did was ignore our rules about bans/appeals and message me directly over beyond with something along the lines of "Your Lovely Emerald is banning me". That's pretty much entitlement right there, to message directly to the host over discord bypassing our protocol and rules.

[Jaketeaking]

It appears his notes havent been posted yet, so, Notes:

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Pre-Built a sentry in briefing,warned not to repeat by X on Wed, February 22nd of 2017 

Watch for Powergaming with crates of gear Pre-Deployment. by X on Wed, February 22nd of 2017 

Argued extensively to be sent back to the lobby because it wasn't his fault he got put into a random job when he had it set to put him into a random job if the ones he had selected were filled. Warned, and told if he believed that this was an error, he can file a bug report. by X on Sun, March 5th of 2017 

As a marine, slashed up monkeys and claims that "My character is a pyschopath in a warzone, I'm being my character." Warned about insane RP, and that when detected again, he will be banned. Player suddenly had an epiphany and "It just so happens Elric isn't insane anymore.", "He is now a-okay in the brain." by X on Tue, March 7th of 2017 

Ahelped because player felt unjustified when cargo staff refused his attachment and later being warned for arrest by MP for delaying the line. Informed him that it's an IC issue and educated on the fact, but kept whining. Keep an eye out on player in future command/cargo staff positions to see if he decides to exact "revenge" that may break server rules. by X on Fri, March 10th of 2017 

Warned for using a sniper rifle as a squad engineer. Reluctantly left the rifle behind, and was told to take up the discussion to the forums regarding the use of spec gear. by X on Mon, March 13th of 2017 

Decided to not only ahelp about the forementioned matter again, but once that was resolved, decided to start yelling about it in deadchat. If you have to mute him from ahelps or dsay, do it, he's got too many notes on not understanding when something was done. Furthermore I just gave him deadchat back and told him not to argue his temporary mute and go to the forums for the weapon discussion, and he is continuing yet again. by X on Mon, March 13th of 2017 

As a Young Drone decided to slash an infected and nested host, Given recent note history has been warned and told this is their only warning involving Xeno rule breaks. by X on Tue, March 14th of 2017 

Named their character Friedhelm Winter (character from Generation War) warned to change it next round by X on Fri, March 24th of 2017 

Had the name Friedhelm Winter again, warned him that if he didn't change it next round, he would receive a ban by X on Fri, March 24th of 2017 

I Had a short discussion with him. After applying his disappointment as an excuse for acting Unfriendly to another player, I determined to present him an opportunity to develop his manners In our Server, other than banning his account right away. I Believe he learned his lesson, and won't act like shit again. by X on Sun, April 16th of 2017 

Banned by X|Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: EORG by X on Wed, April 26th of 2017 

Spammed pointing at things, asked to stop. Stopped. by X) on Thu, May 11th of 2017 

Banned by X|Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: Blew Both briefing shutters as Specialist because they were not opened for him Pre-Briefing by X on Thu, May 11th of 2017 

Banned from Squad Specialist - See previous note by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Thu, May 11th of 2017 Remove

Got very argumentative after getting FF decap'd by a marine blind firing, insisting that it was on purpose. Proceeded to mention that they could "Get away with it" by "pleading innocence", keep an eye on them for any metagrudging or salty FF. by X on Sat, May 20th of 2017 

Warned for going back to the planet as a survivor by X on Wed, May 31st of 2017 

Warned about pointless ahelps, ahelped asking staff to respond to a fax he'd sent. X on Sat, June 3rd of 2017 

Took a drunk MP's ID to go gear up with marine gear. Warned. by X on Sat, June 3rd of 2017 

Was warned about spamming dance as a xeno (due to log creation) by X on Mon, June 5th of 2017 

Warned for being unreasonably hostile to bill carson "DEAD: Young Drone (685) says, "Because I dislike you with every fucking fiber of my being.", lots of other random harassment thrown in there for seemingly no reason by X on Fri, June 9th of 2017 

Complained about being arrested under Valid charges in LOOC to MP's for a ridiculous amount of time, ignored my warning to stop discussing it and forced me to mute his ability to type in LOOC chat, keep an eye out for this behaviour in the future. by X on Fri, June 9th of 2017 

Banned by X|Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: Help instigate the death of 2 players with little to no rp in mind. The ban is also being placed due to note history by X on Mon, June 12th of 2017 

dReminded that there's no "past lives" as a Xeno, and all's part of the hivemind. by X on Fri, June 23rd of 2017 

Warned about being friendly with marines. Was AHelped to not be attacking them and hanging around them. Claimed he was scouting, reminded Xenos don't like being seen or light, and that they are murder machines. by X on Fri, August 18th of 2017 

As a xeno larva, found humans in the bar and became their "Drinking buddy". When he had evolved to hunter, he says he began dragging one to the hive (apparently he wasn't sure of it's location). Another hunter ahelped that he was protecting humans, and I watched him drag the survivor away from the other hunter and away from the hive, back towards the bar. by X on Tue, August 22nd of 2017 

Arrested an MP for attempting to arrest them as the CMP, Was deemed a false arrest and was then brigged by the MP In question. Reminded to ahelp about arresting fellow MP's in the future. by X on Sun, September 3rd of 2017 

Went SSD as the CMP without ahelping or going into cryo. by X on Sun, September 3rd of 2017 

Banned by X|Duration: 1440 minutes|Reason: Improper escalation, Stole a marine's boot's and got into a fist fight then resorted to shooting the marine. by X on Tue, September 12th of 2017 

Banned by X|Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: banned for low RP as a xeno, REEEEEEE, as per http://cm-ss13.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=14800 by X on Sat, September 16th of 2017 Remove

Plays with a friend, their ckey is X. Should be using their own and may be on the same ip as other mentioned ckey. by X on Sun, September 17th of 2017 

Told them not to. (Hivemind, Mature Praetorian (633) hisses, 'Okay, I'm gonna break the fourth wall here for a second') by X on Wed, September 20th of 2017 

Warned for acting dickish and speaking using all-caps over hivemind every sentence. He agreed to tone it down and that "Egh, that bit was a bit excessive." Next complaint will need to be a ban. by X on Wed, September 20th of 2017 

Warned for spitting acid at a nested host as a boiler, claimed that they were trying to examine the host. by Solarmare (Moderator) on Wed, October 11th of 2017 

Warned for going planetside as an MP by X on Sun, November 5th of 2017 

Warned that due to the fact he's gotten 36 notes in the past 10 months, any future breaking of the rules will be met with bans. We've given him too many warnings at this point and he's shown no signs of shaping up. It's up to him to shape up at this point. by X on Mon, November 6th of 2017 

Its what I get for barebacking a stripper... Warned for 18+ Sexual content. by X on Tue, November 14th of 2017 

Specialist jobban lifted. by X on Wed, December 6th of 2017 

IC in LOOC - The player suggested to C4 the PO in the LOOC chat. by X on Thu, December 14th of 2017 

Banned by X|Duration: 4320 minutes|Reason: Broke into cargo during low-pop after attachments were denied which lead to a whole riot over them. Create a staff report/ban appeal on the forums if you wish to contest this. by X on Thu, December 14th of 2017 

Quite a few.

[apophis775]

I'm gonna go ahead and officially deny this. You have a lot of a notes. Your future bans will ALWAYS be increased as a result.