MP Jobban

[4thsurviver]

Your Byond ID: 4thsurviver

Character Name: Bran 'Survivor' Jast

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban): Job-ban MP

Admin who banned you (if known): Apophis

Total Ban Duration: Permanent

Remaining Duration: Permanent

What other servers do you play on? None

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones? No

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned): Banned for letting prisoners out of the brig that turned on the MPs. 11/22
Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable): N/A

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): I screwed up. I made what I thought at the time was a decision to guarantee the prisoners' right to safety when I could no longer guarantee it by being mortally wounded and having little faith in my fellow MPs to protect them either due to earlier disagreements and the circumstances that led to me being mortally wounded. I misread the situation and instead of the prisoners working together with the MPs to survive they broke out. I don't know what happened next since I was on the floor for the next couple of minutes before a crusher finished me off.

Normally in this situation I would have asked CMP on what to do but they were arrested for assault and when we were discussing on who would take over the dropship alert happened. I can say I learned my lesson on who to trust after this and the new addition to the laws that happened hours later would certainly prevent me from repeating these events if I'm allowed another chance at being a MP.

[Tharinoma]

Notes:

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Banned from Chief MP - Releasing prisoners before their time was up. There was an alien attack, but the prisoners turned on the MPs and escaped. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Wed, November 22nd of 2017 Remove

Banned from Military Police - Releasing prisoners before their time was up. There was an alien attack, but the prisoners turned on the MPs and escaped by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Wed, November 22nd of 2017 Remove

[Emeraldblood]

Did you talk to the other MP about this or did you just let them out?

[4thsurviver]

I didn't talk to them about it. I know I said something before doing it but I think it was either about having to move because the brig wasn't safe or being angry I got shot by one of them with a slug. I knew at least one of them would have been strictly against it.
I had established the terms of the release with the marine prisoner when I was left in the brig by myself earlier, after the crash but before the crusher came in and I got shot. I was in no position to enforce the terms when I released them and was left to die instead.

[apophis775]

I actually think I was there as a witness, and if I recall, one of the MPs killed by the escaping prisoners you let loose. Unless that was another incident.

[Emeraldblood]

Had the aliens already gotten onto the ship or en route?

[4thsurviver]

Had the aliens already gotten onto the ship or en route?

The brig had already been attacked. A crusher came strolling in while we were all in the cell block. It caught us by surprise, it came from the maintenance duct door but I don't recall hearing a door being pried open or the door opening sound. No one reacted until it was on us. In the scuffle I was shot in the chest by a slug and we chased it off but I don't remember us dealing any real damage to it. I assumed it would be back with friends.

I actually think I was there as a witness, and if I recall, one of the MPs killed by the escaping prisoners you let loose. Unless that was another incident.

I know you were on at the time because you PM'd me shortly after they got out. I don't know what happened after they got out since I was on the floor for most of it and responding to your PM until the crusher came back to finish me. I don't know if a MP got killed but if it happened it makes what I did extra shitty. I could see that playing a large part of why I was job-banned and the new law about releasing prisoners coming out so soon afterwards.

[Emeraldblood]

So the prisoners got guns and killed the MP or it was just FF and they left you for dead?

[4thsurviver]

So the prisoners got guns and killed the MP or it was just FF and they left you for dead?

I was FF'd by another MP during the fight with the crusher. One of the prisoners was a marine and would have had their weapons in their locker. When they got out of their cells they proceeded to shoot out the windows to CMP's office and escape through there. I don't know where the other MPs had gotten off to by this point since I had time to open 2 cells and the prisoners had time to break through 2 sets of windows to escape. I never had the chance to leave the cell block so I don't know what happened in the brig hallway and beyond.

[apophis775]

Yeah. I was there.
One of the MPs had a combat rifle and shot at the crusher, hitting him. He then released the prisoners and one of them shot their way south to the MP armory area, where the prisoners grabbed weapons and then killed the rest of the MPs (Me, being one of those MPs) as well as a medic who was trying to get in to provide medical assistance to the already wounded MPs from the first time the prisoner you released got out.

[4thsurviver]

Yeah. I was there.
One of the MPs had a combat rifle and shot at the crusher, hitting him. He then released the prisoners and one of them shot their way south to the MP armory area, where the prisoners grabbed weapons and then killed the rest of the MPs (Me, being one of those MPs) as well as a medic who was trying to get in to provide medical assistance to the already wounded MPs from the first time the prisoner you released got out.

I'm not sure that is the same round. I don't remember any of the MPs having a combat rifle and it certainly wasn't me that had one. I was the one that released the prisoners and that was the only time the prisoners got out of their cells. I'm also pretty sure the MPs survived this round because the marines ended up securing the ship and one of the prisoners, the marine I believe was rebrigged by the end. Just to ask do you remember what the prisoners were? There was 2, a MT prisoner and a Marine prisoner. I remember the MT prisoner because CE was begging us to release them since they were the only one that could set up the engine and the MT kept saying the power was going to run out soon.

[apophis775]

I meant shotgun. They had the combat shotgun (the one from the MP armory that doesn't need to be cocked).

Yes, one of the MPs was on the bridge, and captured the prisoner when they went up the ladder while still wearing prison fatigues, also one MP was revived and one of the prisoners banned for grief (while others received warnings and similar).

Your actions resulted in a LOT of punishment/negative action taken against players. Which is why I'm hesitant to lift this.

[4thsurviver]

From what I remember neither of the two prisoners were in their prison jumpsuits when I released them. My memory isn't as great as I would want it to be but I believe they were in for 20 minutes. I'll admit I could be remembering things wrongs though. By any chance do you remember any of the predator stuff that happened this round? I think they were what stood out the most during this round.

If it was the same round I had no idea things spiraled this hard out of control. All I can say in my defense is that I spent most of time playing this game as a MP and this was my only major slip up and I learned from it. I know that means little to the people that were effected especially to whoever got banned though so I wouldn't blame you for not lifting this.

[Emeraldblood]

Since Apop was there when all of it went down, I'll leave it up to him. I can see where he's coming from with you letting them out leading to a lot of other problems, which is something we do usually punish for (like cargo riots and such), but overall I think I may be missing parts of it. Given your note history, it just seems like you just made a mistake that chained to more problems. I could forgive you for it, but Apop's call in the end.

[Feweh]

Im going to lift this, only because I know you as a good player who I don't think intentionally caused issued.