Denied_Existence Command Jobban Appeal Redux

[Denied_Existence]

Your Byond ID:

Denied_Existence

Character Name:

Stefan Kleist

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban):

Command Jobban

Admin who banned you (if known):

Bibiex

Total Ban Duration:

Jobban

Remaining Duration:

Indefinite

What other servers do you play on?

Used to play on goon for many years, stopped about a year ago regularly, but still jump on every now and then.

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones?

Only this one.

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):

You have been jobbanned by bibiex from: Commander, Executive Officer, Staff Officer, Pilot Officer, Military Police, Corporate Liaison, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer, Chief MP.
The reason is: Trying "diplomacy" with the xenos thus delaying the round for over half an hour. Extremely low RP. Argued a lot before being banned.

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):

viewtopic.php?f=87&t=15524
(Denied by Feweh for unwritten minimum ban time)

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):

As requested, I have waited 30 days to re-appeal this. As the denial was due to the ban not having been in effect for long, I feel my previous points are mostly still valid, so I will mainly summarize them here.

In regards to rule breaks, I have again double-checked the rule posting on the forums as I did when the ban was placed initially, here is the link for easy access:

http://cm-ss13.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5094

On to the appeal:

- I have only played CM for about 3 months, but I have been very active within this time.

- I had NEVER played Researcher / CMO up to this point, and was near-completely in the dark about how research functioned and the IC and OOC expectations thereof.

- The only explicitly written rule I had broken is rule 0, by arguing with Bibiex. As mentioned in the previous appeal post, that was mainly due to confusion over why 'diplomacy' was bad. I thought he was attacking how I was playing my character's beliefs, unknowing about CM's previous issues with xeno-human diplomacy. I have apologized in the previous appeal to Bibiex, and I still feel apologetic over it, but hopefully my in-moment confusion is understandable.

- I was unaware the Universal Translator is not intended to translate Xeno speak. I barely knew how it worked, and fumbled with it for a good 5-10 minutes, which added to the round delay. The two researchers and CL that had encouraged me to do the diplomacy had been attempting to help me.

- The Xeno Queen is the one that desired to open diplomacy initially, not myself. Even during it I intended for any 'peace' to ultimately be a trick to give the marines an attacking advantage.

- The rest of the delay was due to tunnel-vision on my part. It would have been better to have ordered the marines to get ready in a dropship to redeploy while I was conversing (Ignoring the fact that I shouldn't have been doing so at all for a moment)

The round in question, I failed to continue being the responsive and rallying XO I had been up to that point. I am and was disappointed in myself, and I am determined to prove myself still worthy of a commander white-listing some day.

I should not have argued with Bibiex so fiercely, and should have asked about whether this diplomacy was allowed via Ahelp prior/during. Ahelp is a tool I sometimes feel hesitant to use, but I need to remember it is a very important one.

If possible, I feel it would be a good plan to add in written rules about xeno-diplomacy and the Universal Recorder, to prevent other people from falling into this trap.

I again thank you for your time spent reading this (and hopefully my previous) appeal, I can tell you staff are very busy, especially with the holidays so close at hand; and I greatly appreciate how much you all seem to put into this server and community!

Please have a Merry Christmas, or whatever holidays you celebrate.

[BobatNight]

I was the CMO during the round and events that led to his job ban. He was not familiar with the item or how it worked and required assistance from a researcher, we over-saw the communications and the planned meet along side him. While I'm aware that ignorance of the rules isn't an excuse, the whole thing was RP'd and we were just trying to RP. He's a good player and someone I enjoy seeing on the Almayer as he always makes an effort to Rp as well as make the experience enjoyable for all parties involved. I believe he has learned his lesson from all of this and could be trusted with the authority of the roles he was job banned from.

[Symbiosis]

Stefan's a pretty solid player. No one's perfect, but they're active in the Discord and in the Community. While arguing with a staff member is NEVER the proper approach, I've not personally seen any negative behavior from the player since this job ban was applied.

[Emeraldblood]

Note:
Banned from Commander, Executive Officer, Staff Officer, Pilot Officer, Military Police, Corporate Liaison, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer, Chief MP - Trying "diplomacy" with the xenos thus delaying the round for over half an hour. Extremely low RP. Argued a lot before being banned. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Fri, November 17th of 2017

First off, stick to the format as it's written, there's no need to make stuff bigger or smaller. As for the whole, "Talking to Xeno debate," we never allow this. Xeno and Humans cannot talk together, in general, nor does either side wish to just talk to the other. Xeno simply want to infect and expand. We let everyone have wiggle room with RP between the two sides on an individual level, but there are still the strict "No friends" rules. Can I ask where this all took place? Shipside or Groundside?

[Denied_Existence]

Of course: This took place ship-side in research with a relaying Hivelord.

This had been the first time I had encountered anyone attempting Human-Xenos diplomacy either way, and as I mentioned in my original appeal I did not know about this strict disbarrment beforehand since it isn't explicitly written about anywhere in the forum rule list. Yes, there's the Xenos-specific rule that sort of hints towards it, but I wasn't a xeno that round and I had barely played xenos at that time (I've been playing more in the interrum period), so it wasn't really in my mind.

I had been influenced by HvH rounds and HvPred interactions where diplomacy was done with the Antagonists by commanders/leadership.

Edit: I assume the Queen player got hit with some sort of ban/warning as well for that sort of rule break, but I know you guys aren't going to say, and I'm not intending to ask.

[Emeraldblood]

I would imagine the Queen also got punished, though don't know for sure. Apop/Feweh are going to need to weight in what they think about it. While you did break the rules, it's not the worst thing out there you could do. One month ago from today so you've put some time into the ban at least. Overall, I'm neutral on the whole thing. Also, it's rule 1 you're talking about. Rule 0 is a different rule.

[spookydonut]

I'll vouch for Stefan as a character witness, playing as a doctor he has shown a continued desire to become better and improve his knowledge of the game.

[Feweh]

lifted.