Khalil Drayco - Shust- SL Job Ban v2

Shust · Post by **Shust** » 26 Mar 2018, 12:37

Your Byond ID:Shust

Character Name:Khalil Drayco

Type Of Ban (Job-ban (include the job), Timed Ban, Permaban):SL

Admin who banned you (if known):feweh

Total Ban Duration:

Remaining Duration:

What other servers do you play on?none

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones?

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned): I threw smoke grenades on Alamo.

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):viewtopic.php?f=76&t=16405

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): Its been a month, it could of been handled ICly, and they were smoke grenades.

Tharinoma · Post by **Tharinoma** » 26 Mar 2018, 13:04

Hello Shust,

You miss-spelled your Byond ID, please fix.

Notes :

► Show Spoiler

It's a wonder you haven't been permabanned yet.

Your notes are terrible and you don't even pretend to recognise what you did was wrong. No cookies.

It should be noted, however, that you've been extremely active since the jobban.

Omicega · Post by **Omicega** » 26 Mar 2018, 13:12

Tharinoma ninjaed me while I was fixing the notes up, but I'll post the rest anyway:

I remember seeing the ban in question happen. If you ask me, personally, I would have said it was too harsh at the time (especially considering it was Feweh, who just slapped bans on people without really giving a shit about it), but on the other hand you decided to throw three smoke grenades on a crowded event-round dropship after a very specific announcement went out about no more roundstart shitlery:

[13:40:18]ADMIN: Announce: feweh/(unknown) : ATTACKING.

DISARMING.

ANY STUPIDITY.

INSTANT BAN FROM THIS ANNOUNCEMENT FORWARD.

Your notes are huge even for the length of time they span and your appeal is zero-effort (you even spelled your BYOND ID wrong). Even though it's just smoke grenades, you could at least pretend to give a shit about the appeal format and fill everything out. I'm not impressed.

Shust · Post by **Shust** » 26 Mar 2018, 14:37

I have no idea how to quote

I was in round when i made the appeal, plus after clicking submit i had to redo it do to log in timer. So I hadn't looked over it my apologies. Im gonna fix it. Now as far as how to the point my appeal was, the last time i put it effort it was an instant denied. the d wasnt even captitalized, so that was the standard set.

For a comment of perma ban, that list of notes are not even violent. It was very small things that eccumalted to this list you all continue to bring up, regardless of the code of conduct post. I played this game, nearly every day, so with the amount of time i play the game...those notes shouldnt even hold much weight.

And these notes have one type of thing that doesnt help the case of judging me so deeply. It only paints a list of the bad things, when in reality I take this game pretty seriously. Im not saying there should be a list of good notes because that conduct list says not to.

I also didn't want to come off as arguing, because that's the first thing it's going to look like. Honestly I awaited a whole month just to ask to have Squad Leader position occupation back. I have said sorry, and I play every day and don't get pm'd about behaviour because I am lowkey a very dedicated player. Its just when looking at a list that say things like "banned from SL for going ssd at round start", it instantly takes all the bad.

a. Determine the bare minimum punishment. There's no reason to jump straight to a ban, especially if the incident didn't cause a major disruption to the game. Try to use warnings, and if you do need to ban don't be excessive. Most bans should not be above 12 hours.

it was smoke grenades, i waited a month

c. If you feel someone needs to receive a permanent ban, give them a ban for 10,080 minutes (7 days) and make a post in the Permaban Request section of the admin forums explaining the situation and why you believe a permaban should be enforced. This should ONLY be done for repeat offenders, or players griefing the server (those bald pajama marines that shoot up the place).

Looking back through the notes, they aren't really griefing. It was an issue that was not that major, and blew it up to point out my history that was 3 years ago. Like naming isues, and aciding vendors.

I would really like for a chance to comment with one of you on my notes, and explain either the situation or get an understanding of how it can be so spread out, and minor yet you treat it like I ran around shooting people.

And i said i was afk when that announcement was made, I use to always throw smoke grenades on the DS1 for weeks. Like I said before, im not saying it was okay. But it was three smoke grenades, made the appeal within like 4 minutes to show dedication. I was aware of the rule of a month for another appeal, and seeing how that banned carried out with fewehs decisions I made it instantly while playing as SL on that round. IT said "denied" there were no statements or anything.

Sir Lordington · Post by **Sir Lordington** » 26 Mar 2018, 19:56

I was present when this happened and you did say you were AFK when the announcement was made.

Like others have said, that is quite the note history. That said, it wasn't anything too major and you've already waited a month. You've been playing recently and haven't got any new notes so I'd be fine with this being lifted, but make sure you continue your improvement and avoid getting new notes.

NethIafins · Post by **NethIafins** » 27 Mar 2018, 03:54

I'm fine with you having your squad leader ban lifted
Please continue being a good member of our community

Shust · Post by **Shust** » 27 Mar 2018, 05:37

If it is lifted, there will not be any more problems.

Emeraldblood · Post by **Emeraldblood** » 28 Mar 2018, 13:40

You were unbanned from SL and then in less than a month, you got banned again? Your note history is also total shit and it's pretty amazing you haven't even pulled an ERP ban at this point.

Adralimas · Post by **Adralimas** » 28 Mar 2018, 18:23

That note history is something alright', But hell if you do indeed promise there ain't gonna be no more problems then yeah sure i'll leave a +1 to lifting here.

Shust · Post by **Shust** » 30 Mar 2018, 05:55

Emeraldblood wrote: ↑
28 Mar 2018, 13:40
You were unbanned from SL and then in less than a month, you got banned again? Your note history is also total shit and it's pretty amazing you haven't even pulled an ERP ban at this point.

I was banned for going SSD, AKA internet problem. I don't even see why you decided to compare that. And thanks for the encouraging words.

Solarmare · Post by **Solarmare** » 30 Mar 2018, 06:02

What did you do wrong when you were job banned from Squad Leader?

I'm not sure you seem to understand that exactly since it looks like you're just trying to justify your use of smoke grenades after an announcement about no shittery. I don't see a reason to support it when your appeal is just "it's not that bad" rather than what you actually did wrong and what behavior you won't repeat in the role.

Shust · Post by **Shust** » 30 Mar 2018, 06:13

For the Biased Judgments, I just want you to take this into account.

Note History builds up the negatives, try to think of the positives.

Also you probably may not know of any positives, since the negative is painted vividly.
but
Regardless of my note history which is pretty relevant in everyones opinions, I am a good SL. Me throwing smoke grenades bad idea. But im still playing the game reguarly, this is a occupation appeal.

A lot of my notes don't even apply to what im appealing for/ what your criticizing. And I probably play'd this once a day for the past year excluding summer.

Staff Code of Conduct
- If a player breaks a rule, but increases the enjoyment of the server in general, (through roleplay or other such things) it can be overlooked. If no one admin helps (ahelp) a complaint, or seems to be complaining or taking issue with it, it may be best to let it go. Smoke grenades
- We’re a server focused on the enjoyment of the players. As long as the players are having a blast and not every single rule is being broken, it’s okay to let some things slide here and there. Jesus now these were mostly minor offences, and that's not even including this over the top debate about smoke grenades

Protocols
a. Determine the bare minimum punishment. There's no reason to jump straight to a ban, especially if the incident didn't cause a major disruption to the game. Try to use warnings, and if you do need to ban don't be excessive. Most bans should not be above 12 hours.

Shust · Post by **Shust** » 30 Mar 2018, 06:22

Solarmare wrote: ↑
30 Mar 2018, 06:02
What did you do wrong when you were job banned from Squad Leader?

I'm not sure you seem to understand that exactly since it looks like you're just trying to justify your use of smoke grenades after an announcement about no shittery. I don't see a reason to support it when your appeal is just "it's not that bad" rather than what you actually did wrong and what behavior you won't repeat in the role.

Scroll up another staff member said they were present when i said I was AFK, and why are you trying to criminalize me bro. I obviously know it was wrong since I'm here.

I made an appeal, it got rejected with no professionalism that you guys are trying to draw out of me. I -wait- a whole month, appeal again, bring up some points from code of conduct.

Even admit it was a bad idea. Solarmare if I may ask, where you present? Are you just going off of what you heard? Do you even know Khalil Drayco as a marine? I'm pretty helpful, vocal and committed ICly. Don't assume Im like cancer bro

Solarmare · Post by **Solarmare** » 30 Mar 2018, 06:49

You aren't actually providing much reason to lift the job ban, instead you're mostly just saying what you did isn't that bad when it's as simple as saying what you did wrong and won't repeat.
You're bringing up staff protocols when the ban was appropriately enough placed after a warning, even if you didn't see it, which is more of an issue to me here.
Saying "it was just smoke grenades" isn't really a good reason for an appeal, but that's what most of this is.
You don't need to bring up staff protocols or whatever as that only really makes you seem worse, as you can seem to be trying to deny any responsibility on the issue that can be caused that leads to a ban.
It's hard to see you actually noting what you did wrong when you're just bringing up the protocol and follow them with "smoke grenades" as if that changed anything.

Shust · Post by **Shust** » 30 Mar 2018, 08:20

Shust wrote: ↑
26 Mar 2018, 14:37
I have no idea how to quote

I also didn't want to come off as arguing, because that's the first thing it's going to look like. Honestly I awaited a whole month just to ask to have Squad Leader position occupation back.

I would really like for a chance to comment with one of you on my notes, and explain either the situation or get an understanding of how it can be so spread out, and minor yet you treat it like I ran around shooting people.

And i said i was afk when that announcement was made, I use to always throw smoke grenades on the DS1 for weeks. Like I said before, im not saying it was okay.

I originally didn't want to come off as arguing

Yes I did post the protocols and it should not make anything seem worse. I'm doing what I seen other successful appeals do. I don't even use these forums.
Also there's some good information in protocols. I'm more so bring up protocol, because my notes are the only thing being talked about. Time has passed,
and it shouldn't hold so much negativity.

I haven't even touched a smoke grenade since, and I am sorry. I wouldn't of posted this appeal If i did not care.

Emeraldblood · Post by **Emeraldblood** » 30 Mar 2018, 13:25

I ask you about the first SL ban because they're still related, both are bans on SL so I'm asking you about what happened. Secondly, the ERP/Sexual Content rule is a very serious one and you've already gotten two strikes on it, which is usually more than most people get. You've been playing long enough to know that's a serious rule. Lastly, notes are often given because it means you're doing something to cause problems. "I could be getting worse notes" is not a valid excuse for your current note history. While being an older player does mean you are more likely to have more notes, it doesn't mean your history overall is just ignored past a certain point. We're not out to get you or anything and when you get very defensive with us, it can often come off as entitlement or that you're above the rules. While you may not have seen the announcement, and we're not going to hold that against you, you still did break the rules at the time.

Shust · Post by **Shust** » 30 Mar 2018, 13:41

Understood, I wont use smoke grenades anymore in that manner.

Solarmare · Post by **Solarmare** » 30 Mar 2018, 13:58

Just avoid causing trouble as an SL or as anything else and you shouldn't have further issue, I don't mind the first ban as an SSD one.
I don't have any trouble with this being lifted now at least, lordington's said you've been active enough in the last month without any notes.

Nicboone · Post by **Nicboone** » 30 Mar 2018, 14:27

In the last round I saw you casually tossing around some racist slurs, as well as the word "faggot" several times, like it wasnt an issue. While you appeared to stop after the ooc warning- I feel like its more relevant when you are appealing for a jobban.

Shust · Post by **Shust** » 01 Apr 2018, 14:23

Nicboone wrote: ↑
30 Mar 2018, 14:27
In the last round I saw you casually tossing around some racist slurs, as well as the word "faggot" several times, like it wasnt an issue. While you appeared to stop after the ooc warning- I feel like its more relevant when you are appealing for a jobban.

That was like last week i remember I said it once, not several times. You warned me as soon as i typed it, was once. I normally don't use that word on da game. And I called someone a faggot friday because yall have a high volume of players sayin nigger. Im like one of the only black chars on the game, so that was just in defense

Emeraldblood · Post by **Emeraldblood** » 02 Apr 2018, 11:41

Because you haven't gotten any bad notes recently, we'll lift SL this time. Don't get yourself banned from SL anymore because it's probably going to stick if you do; also, try not to argue with staff in the reports. We're not trying out to get you and are just trying to get an understanding of the situation. Resolved - SL job-ban lifted; seriously, don't get in anymore SL trouble.

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