Amaxin Discord Complaint

[NoahKirchner]

Your Byond Key: NoahKirchner, discord name Noah Kirchner#6103

Your Character Name: Scott Ivors, Hunter Thames, Michael Braddock

Their Byond key: Amaxin, discord name Not a nice person#8352

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 9:02AM EST, 8:02 AM CT

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken: N/A, but wrongfully enforced posted discord rules.

Description of the incident: I came into #general to see people discussing Apophis's recent retirement from CM. I joined in the discussion, and somebody asked why everybody was leaving. I said that Apophis had been doxed on reddit and that is why he retired. We were discussing CM in a civilized fashion and not slandering or shitposting about anything revolving around the situation.

As far as the actual happenings go: (Excuse the poor phrasing, I am very tired.)

Amaxin says "I told you guys to take it to a different channel already, twice." I asked if "This is on topic, no?" Because it is. We were discussing colonial marines in a civilized manner, without shitposting. He says "If you'd rather be kicked, sure", and I said "CM Related Discussion ONLY, This is discussing CM, if the general chat is not for that, then it is for nothing", and then I was kicked.

I do not see how #general is not the place to discuss subject matter like this. If you talk in off-topic, you're ruining people's political conversations or whatever, if you talk in #shitposting you'll be interrupted by people soft erping nibbling each other and other weird stuff, and if you take it anywhere else it's not even close to being on topic. I'm not sure where he wanted us to take the conversation about CM events aside from the channel designated for CM events. I understand that it is a sensitive topic, and if he was going to ask us to stop talking about it because it was a sensitive topic, that would be understandable, but he asked us to move to a different channel. Clearly, then, discussion of the topic is allowed, just not in the channel that is designated for the discussion of CM topics, apparently.

I also cannot rejoin because perms are down.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... 8368/1.PNG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... 0986/2.PNG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... 9521/3.PNG

How you would punish the accused: However you see fit, if at all, it's just annoying to be kicked for following the discord rules.

[spookydonut]

If you thought this was the right time to get sassy to a staff member moderating discussion on discord you chose poorly.

[TheBeoni]

Literaly just had to go to off Topic and nothing would have happened especialy since it was said on multiple occassions.

[NoahKirchner]

If you thought this was the right time to get sassy to a staff member moderating discussion on discord you chose poorly.

Not at all, I wasn't trying to be sassy. I was explaining to someone what the situation was and, when confronted about it, asked whether or not this was the proper channel because it WAS. I wasn't making an effort to stir the pot or to disrespect staff, I wanted a place to discuss the topic where it won't be memed about like in shitposting because it's a serious issue, and general is absolutely the place to do that, it is in the channel description.

I wasn't trying to be malicious with my comment either, I thought that he was wrong, and I still do, not because I wanted to be sassy to staff but because I honestly, truly feel that he was incorrect in his judgement.

[NoahKirchner]

Literaly just had to go to off Topic and nothing would have happened especialy since it was said on multiple occassions.

But it was an on topic discussion. Why move a topic that is already in the proper, allocated location to another channel, especially whenever that ruins the discourse nearly every single time it happens? Off-Topic is for non-CM related discussion, we were having a discussion about the nature of CM events.

[Amaxin]

You could look at the second screenshot you linked - I already told you to take it to a different channel twice. If you'd rather keep on going rather than listen to a staff member, that's on you.

You know what the situation is, how much shit is going through the community regarding the recent events. And you're also aware how much you love shitposting everywhere possible. Everyone else complied to my request, except for you - and you resorted to being pointlessly argumentative.

[NoahKirchner]

You could look at the second screenshot you linked - I already told you to take it to a different channel twice. If you'd rather keep on going rather than listen to a staff member, that's on you.

You know what the situation is, how much shit is going through the community regarding the recent events. And you're also aware how much you love shitposting everywhere possible. Everyone else complied to my request, except for you - and you resorted to being pointlessly argumentative.

You asked me to take it to a different channel, yes. I did not continue to discuss the matter though after you said that, I began talking about your ruling on it. Is it wrong to question the actions of a staff member? I didn't keep talking about the topic at all, the last things I said were directly addressed to you about your ruling.



Yes, I do shitpost, so do you, most people shitpost. I was not shitposting in this instance, clearly, so why does the fact that I shitpost matter?

[Nicboone]

i wasnt here for this particular one, but suffice to say, we have been on high alert there. We arent censoring discussion- but we are taking down links and kicking/banning for violations of the rules we have in place there. Specifically, rule 1.

I have seen you around, and have seen you be respectful in the past. Permissions should reopen in a day or so. It doesnt look like you are shit stirring, but does look like you chose a bad time to stay in a channel instead of moving it as requested.

Long story short, Amaxin did the right thing. You should come back to the discord in a few days and consider withdrawing this, as it reflects poorly on you- especially compared to the other actually positive interactions i had with you.

[NoahKirchner]

i wasnt here for this particular one, but suffice to say, we have been on high alert there. We arent censoring discussion- but we are taking down links and kicking/banning for violations of the rules we have in place there. Specifically, rule 1.

I have seen you around, and have seen you be respectful in the past. Permissions should reopen in a day or so. It doesnt look like you are shit stirring, but does look like you chose a bad time to stay in a channel instead of moving it as requested.

Long story short, Amaxin did the right thing. You should come back to the discord in a few days and consider withdrawing this, as it reflects poorly on you- especially compared to the other actually positive interactions i had with you.

Again, as I said above, I did not keep talking about the topic after Amaxin said to move channels. I didn't see his earlier warnings, and after he told us to move, I asked him about the ruling, with no mention of the topic at hand aside from the fact that it was on topic for CM, which it is. If he would've said to stop talking about the subject all together, I would've been perfectly fine with that because I understand that it's a sensitive topic, but he told us to move, and then kicked me when I said that we were discussing it in the proper channel.

It was not my intention to disrespect staff and I have no ill will towards any of the people involved here, I think it's dumb, though, that I got kicked for questioning a staff member's decision that I believe to be incorrect.

[Amaxin]

Would it be so difficult to just click from "#general" to "#offtopic" and simply ask me there? It's all it takes, literally. I'm all fine with people questioning my actions and decisions, yet you going against them continously resulted in you getting kicked. Kicked, not banned - where you can get your permissions back in literally 15 seconds.

The discussion in general was quickly getting out of control considering how much drama's going on around, and it takes just few posts to spin it out of control. It has happenned a few times this morning already, I told you to take it to a different channel, you decided to argue. I have no ill will towards you either, I simply stopped a discussion snowballing out of control. That's about it.

[NoahKirchner]

Would it be so difficult to just click from "#general" to "#offtopic" and simply ask me there? It's all it takes, literally. I'm all fine with people questioning my actions and decisions, yet you going against them continously resulted in you getting kicked. Kicked, not banned - where you can get your permissions back in literally 15 seconds.

The discussion in general was quickly getting out of control considering how much drama's going on around, and it takes just few posts to spin it out of control. It has happenned a few times this morning already, I told you to take it to a different channel, you decided to argue. I have no ill will towards you either, I simply stopped a discussion snowballing out of control. That's about it.

You sent the warning in general, so I asked in general. I wasn't continuing on the conversation from early, I was asking a question that was still related to CM. I understand that it is a sensitive topic and I respect the distance that the discord is attempting to make, but it is undoubtedly true that, if a discussion is allowed to be had, then that #general is the place to do it.

Also I cannot get my permissions back in 15 seconds because permissions are down due to griefing, which I can also respect and I'll happily wait it out, I am more concerned about the initial punishment itself anyways.

[Nicboone]

You can imagine there has been a ton of messages from then until now- You probably appeared to have done that [assuming you didnt], and were kicked either out of confusion of safety.

Amaxin handled a lot of shit yesterday, I trust them to make the right call- but also understand if there was some confusion. Again, I think filing a staff report about this isnt a good reflection of either of you. I see not wrongdoing with what Amaxin did- even if it ends up appearing to be a mistake, considering the greater context, I cant imagine any actions at all being taken.

It is my understanding it isnt a ban, which really would have muddied this all up. IMO just take that, sit on it for a sec, and come back when permissions reopen

[Amaxin]

It is not a ban and I would not ban anyone for something as trivial as simply disagreeing with me - and the permissions are locked up for a moment thanks for people "trying to be funny". I kicked more people than just you and they simply sent me DMs asking if they can get their permissions back, which I handled immediately - it's not like there's no way to do things. You, instead of making this report and wasting everyone's time considering the current situation, could also just DM me.

[NoahKirchner]

You can imagine there has been a ton of messages from then until now- You probably appeared to have done that [assuming you didnt], and were kicked either out of confusion of safety.

Amaxin handled a lot of shit yesterday, I trust them to make the right call- but also understand if there was some confusion. Again, I think filing a staff report about this isnt a good reflection of either of you. I see not wrongdoing with what Amaxin did- even if it ends up appearing to be a mistake, considering the greater context, I cant imagine any actions at all being taken.

It is my understanding it isnt a ban, which really would have muddied this all up. IMO just take that, sit on it for a sec, and come back when permissions reopen

I filed a staff report not to get Amaxin in trouble, I just don't think that it was handled properly and so I wanted to express my grievances. Staff reports are not inherently malicious insofar as I can tell, and I just think that this decision should be reversed because I disagree with his interpretation of the rules, no ill will.

It is effectively a temp ban, though, because of the perm requests. Again, I will still respect that because of the grief wave tho.

[NoahKirchner]

It is not a ban and I would not ban anyone for something as trivial as simply disagreeing with me - and the permissions are locked up for a moment thanks for people "trying to be funny". I kicked more people than just you and they simply sent me DMs asking if they can get their permissions back, which I handled immediately - it's not like there's no way to do things. You, instead of making this report and wasting everyone's time considering the current situation, could also just DM me.

I didn't know that I could just DM you for perms back because generally it's frowned upon to pm staff after rulings like this. If that's the case then I have no further issues, I still disagree with your decision but it cannot be unmade and, as I said in the other thingy, it's been an interesting few days I'm sure because of the grief wave.

[Nicboone]

so do you want us to resolve this then?

[NoahKirchner]

so do you want us to resolve this then?

Yes, if you'd be so kind. I figured that the "Don't pm staff about punishment" thing applied to discord as well, and I figured that, since it wasn't a ban, a staff report was the way to go as the default option, but I DM'd Amaxin and we worked it out.

Sorry for wasting your time but at least I got to find out what my discord number was I guess.

[Nicboone]

Im locking this thread, a manager will be by to mark this as resolved when they have time.

[Emeraldblood]

Given the turmoil going on overall, Amaxin didn't overstep, even if it may have been a little too swift. You'll be able to rejoin once perms reopen soon. Resolved - No rule break, you may rejoin when we reopen perm request.