Griff92 Permaban Appeal

[Griff92]

Your Byond ID: Griff92

Character Name: Tatsuo Fukuyo

Type Of Ban (Job-ban (include the job), Timed Ban, Permaban): Permaban / Week Temp ban

Admin who banned you (if known): Aceluke123

Total Ban Duration: Permaban

Remaining Duration: Permaban

What other servers do you play on? None

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones? No i don't play other servers

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):
Banned by host: Multikeying and Metacoms. Shares the same IP and CID ans another ckey of griff855. Permaban pending. By Aceluke123

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):

Yeah i did mutlikey the reason for this, at round start i spawned as smartgunner. I wanted to play xeno so i entered cyro then ghosted. I then decided i wanted to play marines as i didn't have long left to play. But i couldn't reenter my corpse. So i switched to the second account griff855.

I didn't know this was a permaban offense. I hadn't really read the server rules . I have since read the rules, i have deleted the other account and will not do this again.

I spoke to one of the mods on discord and he advised me to write an appeal on here.

He gave me my note info:

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Was using specialist weapons as a standard | Tue, May 23rd of 2017

Banned |Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: EORG | Thu, May 25th of 2017

Warned for throwing a flashbang in Xeno vs Marine encounter. | Mon, July 31st of 2017

Banned |Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: Improper escalation - Shot up the researcher as the CL when he grabbed an empty shotgun. Wasn't given any antag objectives. Opened fire and killed the researcher even after he was severely wounded. | Thu, August 31st of 2017

Warned about IFF as a Smartgunner. Killed two Marines. | Mon, December 18th of 2017

As a researcher, randomly went planetside, probably by accident, while looking for bodies to experiment on. Was warned not to repeat this. | Wed, March 21st of 2018

As a researcher filled up a metal flask with Toxin's and somehow a marine managed to get a hold of it and drink it then nearly died, Warned not to make these in the future. | Mon, March 26th of 2018

Improper procedure as an MP. CMP Was arrested and put into perma. He decided on is own to jacket, muzzle and take their radio away. Heavily warned. | Thu, March 29th of 2018

Banned |Duration: 10080 minutes|Reason: Multikeying and Metacoms. Shares the same IP and CID as another ckey of Griff855. Permaban pending. Appeal on the forums. | Sat, June 30th of 2018

His Quote "Not reading the rules is your issue here."

I have really only been banned twice for both it wasn't really reading the rules in a years worth of play. Again i accept that i shouldn't have done it, i wasn't aware it was a permanant ban. I will not do this again. I apologies for any inconvience caused.

I had to create this account on the forums to create this appeal, so this should attest to the fact that didn't read the rules as i haven't come on here before.

[TexasTwoStep]

Ignorance isn't an Excuse.

I filed the permanent ban for Aceluke as it was discovered that you were multikeying.

YOU THEN PROCEEDED TO LIE to Aceluke through his entire interaction with you - he gave you every chance to own up to the fact you had two accounts, instead you continued to lie.

Then you come on here and claim Ignorance and said you didn't know even though he WARNED YOU THAT IT WAS A PERMA-BAN!

Why should you be unbanned, honestly?

[21:46:22]ADMIN: PM: Aceluke123/()->Griff855/(Reese Cook): Well do you mind telling me why they share the same IP and CID as your current computer while on the server? You do realize multikeying and metacomming is a permaban on the server?

[21:47:48]ADMIN: PM: Griff855/(Reese Cook)->Aceluke123/(): Nope.

[21:48:07]ADMIN: PM: Aceluke123/()->Griff855/(Reese Cook): Do you have any brothers or sisters who play on the server?

[21:49:44]ADMIN: PM: Griff855/(Reese Cook)->Aceluke123/): None of my family live on my uni dorm.

[21:50:02]ADMIN: PM: Griff855/(Reese Cook)->Aceluke123/(): University

[21:50:55]ADMIN: PM: Aceluke123/()->Griff855/(Reese Cook): Do you have a legitamate copy of windows for your computer?

[21:51:19]ADMIN: PM: Griff855/(Reese Cook)->Aceluke123/(): Why does that matter?

[21:52:07]ADMIN: PM: Aceluke123/()->Griff855/(Reese Cook): Because there is a second ckey on the server (That is the ID/username you use to login to the server) that is currently ghosted on the server. It has the same IP and CID. This is a clear indication of multikeying and metacoms.
[21:52:50]ADMIN: PM: Griff855/(Reese Cook)->Aceluke123/(): Well i'm not going to admit to pirating windows to someone online.

[21:53:19]ADMIN: PM: Aceluke123/()->Griff855/(Reese Cook): Well currently you're going to want to go to the forums to appeal this. As multikeying becomes a permaban especially when lying to staff.

[Griff92]

Why should you be unbanned, honestly?

I accept that i shouldn't have lied or even multikeyed in the first case at all.

I have tried to explain why i multikeyed at all even thoguh that is not a valid excuse, i admit that i was in the wrong and probably shouldn't have done so. I have only been banned twice in almost 2 years playing CM and both times it was for not obeying the rules. I don't have a huge numebr of account with multiple characters i had 2 one of which i have now deleted.

I only really play CM on beyond, so its not like i even play on the other servers. From my point of view i would not be able to play on a game that i love and enjoy. I very rarly play marines i am a xeno main as i get the most fun out of that. You would be losing a dedicated player and support of what you do here on the server.

I spoke to one of your moderators on discord "s_mething" i admitted what i had done to him and he advised that i come on here and apologise and hope that the perma might be removed.

Thats what i am doing. Again i apologies for my actions i admit that they were wrong. There isn't much more that i can do but that.

Regards,
Griff

[Aceluke123]

I would actually have been okay leaving something of this level at a week ban and spent the time log diving personally to see if you've abused this sort of thing previously to determine if this is worth a full permaban.
However when I asked you if you knew anything about the other account you chose to lie to me. I am personally against players who decide to lie to staff in general and giving them second chances as they may not be honest in the future.

I understand you may want to play Colonial Marines, but with the multikeying of having 2 accounts logged into the server at the same time, I am not fine with having this lifted at this time.

[Griff92]

So i have apologised i have said that it won't happen again. I admit that i shouldn't have lied but it was 2 am for me and i could be botherred to deal with that at the time. Which is no excuse and i still shouldn't have lied.


I have deleted the account. There is nothing more that i can do. I agree a week or a month long ban would be fine i don't want to play straight away with some sort of punishment.

But what you are saying is that i can't apologise, and that you have a 1 strike policy when it come to this kind of thing. I didn't know it was a permaban policy until you said so at which point it was too late.

I also didn't have two accounts logged in at the same time. As i explained earlier: Yeah i did mutlikey the reason for this, at round start i spawned as smartgunner. I wanted to play xeno so i entered cyro then ghosted then quit the game. I then decided i wanted to play marines as i didn't have long left to play. But i couldn't reenter my corpse. So i switched to the second account griff855.

[Aceluke123]

I don't believe this would constitute as me taking this as a 1 strike policy. It is however clearly stated in the rules that multikeying and (even if you don't believe it to be) metagaming by having two accounts is against the rules. It is a major rule break for a very long time and I won't take it lightly

I am not against the ban lasting a month, possibly a bit more. I also didn't state I don't want you to never be unbanned. Just at this time, I am against it.

Seeing where you are coming from I do see your point, but for quite some time you've had two accounts and never informed staff, and denied having it when questioned. Overall I found the grenade thing perfectly fine and was not considered grief. It is, however not completely relevant to the situation at hand.

[Griff92]

Fair enough, honestly not much more i can say.

I'll leave it up to you guys

[Griff92]

I don't believe this would constitute as me taking this as a 1 strike policy. It is however clearly stated in the rules that multikeying and (even if you don't believe it to be) metagaming by having two accounts is against the rules. It is a major rule break for a very long time and I won't take it lightly

It doesn't say anywhere in the rules that it is a perma ban. It doesn't say anywhere in the rules what thing warrants what length of ban.

So probably worth clarifiying on the rules.

[Aceluke123]

Apologies for this, but it was listed in the prior rules that we give out permabans for multikeying. I have already discussed with Rahl about making it say it's a straight permaban for multikeying/banevading/metagaming, but I will probably ask again.

I believe anything straight permaban worthy should be listed as such rather than just say it's against the rules.

This, however, does not excuse you for knowing the previous ruleset mentioned it was a permaban for multikeying. Though I am on your side for having this be lifted in one months time as you seem to be very understanding to this ban and have not done anything negatively to make me believe this should stay for longer periods.

[Solarmare]

This shouldn't be lifted for now at least, directly lying to staff will get you nowhere.

[Griff92]

This shouldn't be lifted for now at least, directly lying to staff will get you nowhere.

Yeah agreed, i already admitted shouldn't have done it. I was in a bit of a mood at the time, i agree should be lifted now as i said earlier.

I have already apologised deleted the other account, just wanted to appeal for maybe in a month / 2 months time in advance.

[Griff92]

Hey, just wanted to let you all know i tried to logon and i was able to even though i should still be banned. Wanted to let you all know, to help my appeal.

I logged off, and won't play until ban appeal is sorted.

[Aceluke123]

Odd, the permaban should have stuck, though thanks for not playing while you should be permabanned, it helps your side at the very least.

[NethIafins]

Hey, just wanted to let you all know i tried to logon and i was able to even though i should still be banned. Wanted to let you all know, to help my appeal.

I logged off, and won't play until ban appeal is sorted.

Banned by |Duration: 10080 minutes|Reason: Pending perma request, re-applying week ban. on Sun, July 15th of 2018

Ban is still in permaprocessing, thanks for being honest with us.

Removing ban is a harder than just not having it applied in the first place, so if you can prove us that we don't need to properly secure it as permaban, it may be left as (now 14 days or more) timed ban.

It's all up to Admin Manager now, I'm personally willing to give you a chance

[Griff92]

Banned by |Duration: 10080 minutes|Reason: Pending perma request, re-applying week ban. on Sun, July 15th of 2018

Ban is still in permaprocessing, thanks for being honest with us.

Removing ban is a harder than just not having it applied in the first place, so if you can prove us that we don't need to properly secure it as permaban, it may be left as (now 14 days or more) timed ban.

It's all up to Admin Manager now, I'm personally willing to give you a chance

Hey, just wanted to let you all know i tried to logon again and i was able to even though i should still be banned, you might want to check if bans are applying properly.

i logged out again straight after.

[Ordukai]

10080 minutes/60/24 is 7 days. If they applied the ban some time on July 15th, it should expire some time on the 22nd, which matches up.

We do appreciate your honesty (it doesn't necessarily exonerate you, of course). I'm surprised that you've gone all this time without actually reading the rules; after their first few mistakes, most people would try to learn what not to do. You don't require a forum account to read them, either.

As for the ban, I sympathize with you for just not wanting to deal with it in the moment, but it did lead you to make a poor decision (lying to staff). In order to keep things fair, quick, and simple, we want players to tell the truth to us when we ask them questions. The logs do match up with your claim about how and when you switched accounts, at least. Considering that you multikeyed and lied to staff, but also that you've been up front and cooperative with your ban appeal, I think that your total ban time (including time already spent) should be about a month, minimum. Permabanned (until successfully appealed) at the maximum, of course.

Unfortunately, we don't really do "Month" bans. We've had some delays with handling clerical stuff like permabans and ban appeals, which is why your bans keep expiring instead of being placed as a perma. We won't fault you for trying to log in to check every now and again but for now, for the purposes of this appeal and your permaban, please continue to act like you've been perma'd even if the bans expire. Thank you for your cooperation, and I hope this kind of thing doesn't happen again.

[Griff92]

Yeah no problem, just trying to help the appeal out. i wont login again till a decisicions made

[Emeraldblood]

Right, you broke the rules of multikey and denied you did it to a staff. Normally, that would pull a perma but because you made an attempt to right things, albeit after you got banned, we'll leave this at a three week ban and you can continue playing on the server after they're expired. Should you ever multikey again for any reason, a perma will be applied, no questions asked.

Resolved - Perma pending left at 2 weeks, don't multikey again or it's an instant perma.