Researcher Job ban appeal

[Greymammoth]

Your Byond ID:
Greymammoth
Character Name:
Luke Perabo, was Lucas Crowe
Type Of Ban (Job-ban (include the job), Timed Ban, Permaban):
Job-ban
Admin who banned you (if known):
I don't know
Total Ban Duration:
Perma
Remaining Duration:
Forever
What other servers do you play on?
I used to play on /tg/ but I since switch to here.
Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones?
I was once temporarily banned for two weeks for killing another antag as an antag. I was very new and thought I could-the rules said there was no limits to what an antag could do. I appealed and got it to a two-week antag ban, which is years from over.
Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):
I killed the CMO as a researcher as part of a plot with the CL. Honestly, I was pissed at the CMO too. And at the new chem rules that were put into place, which has since been removed.
Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):
N/A
Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):
The reason for this ban to be lifted is that I regret what I did, I won't do that again, its been four months since then, and I want to potentially apply for whitelisted roles like synth.

[x31stOverlord]

Notes:

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Warned for stealing an ID from a standard marine as a CT, and proceeded to go down to the surface and fight with his ID on. Was told to go back to the ship. | Fri, December 1st of 2017

Banned from Researcher - Attempted to poison and kill the CMO in an 'plot to get him removed from power.' Logged off as I was trying to speak to him about the situation. | Sun, April 8th of 2018

Banned |Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: Griefing. Attempted to poison and kill the CMO in an 'plot to get him removed from power.' Logged off as I was trying to speak to him about the situation. | Sun, April 8th of 2018

Warned about giving out hyperzine pills like candy on the floor for marines. Greify behavior but ahelped it. Next time needs to be a ban. | Sun, August 5th of 2018

[Solarmare]

Is there a reason for this ban to be lifted, all you've posted is the reason you were banned for.

[awan]

I would agree that you need to put some more effort in your appeal.
About how much do you play per week?

[Greymammoth]

I misread the part of 'The Appeal', I thought it was just asking for evidence, which I have none. The reason for this ban to be lifted is that I regret what I did, I won't do that again, its been four months since then, and I want to potentially apply for whitelisted roles like synth. Since circumstances changed, right now I'm playing a lot, almost everyday. But I just started playing again, so it hasn't even been a week. Even if I could get this job-ban changed to a temporary ban at least. Or we just keep the ban and I sit on it for a year or so to reapply.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

I've watched you constantly both OOC while observing as a moderator and IC caught you trying to give away hyperzine and other "combat medicine" whenever you play as a regular doctor, which to me can be a bit scummy because a medical doctor is not a mad scientist.

If this job ban were to be lifted, would you continue to do this type of stuff without consent from other players?

[RobBrown4PM]

To answer Awan's question, Grey has over 40 hours in this month, approx.

[Greymammoth]

Wow I didnt realize that much time.
I already answered your question TheSoldier, so I wont say more because I am upset right now. Except I will say that not by any stretch of the imagination are those two things related, one is a murder plot(with poison) and one is following marine/server rules(but not IC rules-which I now realize) by distributing some combat stims. You also didnt "catch me" because its not against marine law, not only did you have me just taken in for just questioning, but you agreed and let me go. And its hardly "constant", I did it a few times to experiment. Also, I never said its "combat medicine", its combat stims. And giving out something that can help the marines hardly makes me scummy. I dislike when people try to connect unrelated things, make stuff up, or call me "scummy". All the things soldier brought up are already answered or unrelated in-game/IC events, so its not helping moving this process forward. If this isnt going to be repealed, then just escalate it to a general permaban.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Also, I never said its "combat medicine", its combat stims. And giving out something that can help the marines hardly makes me scummy. I dislike when people try to connect unrelated things, make stuff up, or call me "scummy".

You have a very recent warning note for giving hyperzine pills out like candy, and the IC issue we decided to let it go because our MPs were understaffed and not pursue further investigation. As I said we watch and sometimes we have other pressing things to deal with, and I will rephrase, I think acting as a chemist/mad scientist which is what researchers normally do as opposed to a medical doctor goes against IC stuff especially since a doctor should do no harm. In my eyes it may seem you're trying to do the researcher stuff because of the job ban.

I'm not opposed to the job ban being lifted, or a researcher acting as a mad scientist so to speak, I just want to make sure if you're gonna push the envelope and do things like this, that it won't be without causing issues to other players, unless they consent to it and know the risks.

[Greymammoth]

So you repeat what the already posted note states, but fail to demonstrate how it is relevant to this four month old CL plot, and try to disguise releasing me for not breaking marine law which you admitted in game(thus having no reason to keep me) as being "understaffed". You then say acting like a "mad scientist" (which I wasnt-I was trying to be a nice guy chemist-but now see an investigation drop doesnt warrant combat stims) would be OK if I played as a role I was banned four months ago for something irrelevant to what you previously drudged up, and you say this to try and undo calling me "scummy". If anything, I would prefer you being against my ban appeal because your points are utter nonsense. And finally, you state already addressed platitudes that bewilderingly state you dont want me do things "that it won't be without causing issues", which I can only assume is a typo. Either unban me and close this issue out, or permaban me.

[Aceluke123]

Either unban me and close this issue out, or permaban me.

Your attitude right here is a bit difficult for me to support any kind of ban. If you are going to act like this out of character where you’re “asking to be unbanned or just give me a permaban” that is not putting anything you are saying in a positive light. Insulting staff or even any player for giving their opinion also makes me greatly go against any sort of vote of confidence in your attitude for the future.

Now onto your notes and why I plan to give this a negative to you being unbanned.

If what thesoldier is saying light happen does occur and you plan to RP a mad scientist you can’t be merely giving out “combat stims” or “suicide chems” (something another player did roundstart) as a researcher just because you want to help the marine force.
The marines are responding to a distress signal and do not know what is down there so preparing them with powergamey items such as a flask of chems at round start and giving it to several marines is powergamey at the very least.

Considering you just got a note by me yesterday on a subtle grief and powergamey note by giving out basically floor pills I am against you being unbanned and as stated in the note you will get a full medical ban and possibly ban for doing said rulebreak.

As of now due to the recency of the note and that Thesoldier is telling of other times you’ve done the same thing, I would say to wait some time for this to get appealed.

[Greymammoth]

Attitude and opinion shouldnt have anything to do with this process, and I didnt insult anybody. In fact the opposite is true, I was the one called "scummy". I stated very clearly thesoldier is wrong and I wasnt RPing a "mad scientist", nor do i plan to. I said very clearly to you in the ahelps and in these posts that I wouldnt be giving out any type of chems directly to the marines. Its shocking how this very unrelated incident of what happened last night has grown to include what another player has done. And something brand new that I have not done, like filling up flasks and giving it to marines. I said four times I wouldnt do it again, despite it being very irrelevant to this four month old CL plot, but attitude is clearly all that matters here, and not justice. If the ban appeal process is based on peoples' opinions formed from old and irrelevant IC events, recent unrelated events, and salt at being beaten in an arguement, then I have no chance and would wish to be perma banned, for my sake; because its not objective, and so it becomes very toxic.

[NethIafins]

Attitude and opinion shouldnt have anything to do with this process, and I didnt insult anybody.

We usually need proof that the behavior that happened won't repeat. Best proof in cases of jobbans is absence of notes while having semiconstant playtime. Consider it as a proof of understanding past mistakes

In fact the opposite is true, I was the one called "scummy". I stated very clearly thesoldier is wrong and I wasnt RPing a "mad scientist", nor do i plan to.

You seem to be very fixated on this point from TheSoldier, but you fail to notice that he is talking about behavior and not player (you in this case). Also,

[21:47:40]ADMIN: HELP: Greymammoth/(Luke Perabo): Sorry about that guys, I saw that marine law had changed so I wanted to try something new. I gave them half dosages(3u) of hyperzine and 3u of synaptizine, and I didnt think they would take three each, or mix it with peri/dylovene. I just wanted to try something new to try and help the marines, but I overestimated their intelligence. I wont do it again, please dont ban me from being CMO. - heard by 5 non-AFK admins

Mad genius in this case is not a reference to TV trope but a hint at what you are doing (i.e. dangerous experiments on humans with lethal finale)

I said very clearly to you in the ahelps and in these posts that I wouldnt be giving out any type of chems directly to the marines. Its shocking how this very unrelated incident of what happened last night has grown to include what another player has done. And something brand new that I have not done, like filling up flasks and giving it to marines. I said four times I wouldnt do it again, despite it being very irrelevant to this four month old CL plot,

Well... We need proof. We required proof of your well behavior to unban you from researcher, but unfortunately you slipped up in different place. Related or unrelated in your head, this is still all from the server rules.
And to reiterate what TheSoldier said, he brought it to attention just to check with us (and you) if we are on a same page.
If you didn't go full defensive here for this reminder, I guarantee noone would object your unbanning on examination of the current warning.
But now, unfortunately, we have to take your behavior into account. Why? Probably because we like our players to be as chill as they can be themselves

but attitude is clearly all that matters here, and not justice. If the ban appeal process is based on peoples' opinions formed from old and irrelevant IC events, recent unrelated events, and salt at being beaten in an arguement,

Very bold words...
Did you break server rules as researcher? Yes. We're you told not to break them again? Most likely yes. What you just did as researcher? You broke server rules. Then should we take into account this issue? Most definitely. Does that immdiately denies your appeal? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

then I have no chance and would wish to be perma banned, for my sake; because its not objective, and so it becomes very toxic.

And here we are. Here is what I'm going to do. I checked your activity and that incident and your CL incident.

If you calm down and come back here in 1-2 days with clear head and without luggage of selfloathing, I will support this appeal AND you will see how staff members will change their opinion

Deal?

[Greymammoth]

Ok Im chill, and Im ready to see how the other staff will support this.

[NethIafins]

Alright, I'm supporting this and suggest other staff to give this player a chance

[RobBrown4PM]

I'm cool with seeing his ban lifted, mainly because I believe he's put in enough time as of late with few to no notes.

+1

[Kavlo]

Yea I'd say give them another shot at it.

+1.

[Greymammoth]

Thank you three for the second chance. I also learned that I do not want to get banned again. For those who gave me a -1, no hard feelings. How many +1s should I wait for, or what else does this process take?

[NethIafins]

Admins are busy at the moment
They will get to you when they can.

Maybe today, maybe in a week

[Sir Lordington]

Attitude does matter, a lot. I hope the improvement you displayed here is not temporary. This is going to be lifted, since it's been a while and I think you deserve the opportunity but if you keep fucking up the punishments are only going to get worse.

Resolved - Jobban lifted.