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Swish
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Appeal Permaban

Post by Swish » 10 Aug 2018, 20:20

Your Byond ID: Hank_Himmler

Character Name: Irwin Fletcher

Type Of Ban (Job-ban (include the job), Timed Ban, Permaban): Permaban

Admin who banned you (if known): emeraldblood
Total Ban Duration: Permanent

Remaining Duration: Permanent

What other servers do you play on? None

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones? Paradise

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):

"Terrible note history with no sign of getting better"

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):

Made an inartful comment in game lobby before an event round. This particular admin seemed to be personally offended and decided to apply a permaban for unrelated prior notes accumulated over YEARS. ETA: Transgender topics are being introduced into school curricula in the US, Canada and Europe in the grade school level, so these are not +18 comments.
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by x31stOverlord » 10 Aug 2018, 22:18

Can't seem to find any notes on the Ckey Hank_Himmler, definitely that is your Ckey?
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by awan » 11 Aug 2018, 08:05

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Remove the _ from it and you get the notes overlord. Byond is sometimes wierd like that.
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Herac » 11 Aug 2018, 10:30

Posting as a character witness.

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I remember playing in the same squad as you one time, you being a giant dick to me for no reason and when I told you in dchat that you had ruined the round for me all you said was 'Good, you deserved it' or something like that. This was around March or April, I think, and all the other interactions I had with you after that were bad.

That and the fact that your appeal seems doesn't actually admit you did anything wrong or show you've changed your attitude at all makes me hope this gets denied until you do.
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Swish » 11 Aug 2018, 15:57

Herac wrote:
11 Aug 2018, 10:30
Posting as a character witness.

-1

I remember playing in the same squad as you one time, you being a giant dick to me for no reason and when I told you in dchat that you had ruined the round for me all you said was 'Good, you deserved it' or something like that. This was around March or April, I think, and all the other interactions I had with you after that were bad.

That and the fact that your appeal seems doesn't actually admit you did anything wrong or show you've changed your attitude at all makes me hope this gets denied until you do.
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by awan » 11 Aug 2018, 18:36

You have a lot of notes. Part of me wonders why did you not adjust any time you got warned or banned in the past?
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Swish » 11 Aug 2018, 19:02

awan wrote:
11 Aug 2018, 18:36
You have a lot of notes. Part of me wonders why did you not adjust any time you got warned or banned in the past?
But I did. You'll notice I did not suicide after being reprimanded, and this last note has nothing to do with game-related performance.

I haven't even shot any more MPs, but instead played as MP myself to appreciate the role and put the stick to shitbirds in the REQ line.

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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by awan » 11 Aug 2018, 19:07

Swish wrote:
11 Aug 2018, 19:02
But I did. You'll notice I did not suicide after being reprimanded, and this last note has nothing to do with game-related performance.

I haven't even shot any more MPs, but instead played as MP myself to appreciate the role and put the stick to shitbirds in the REQ line.
Many of your notes come in pairs of 2. Some twice in a day. Some one per day and some 3 days from each other.
But to me it seems you have had a lot of chances to start following all the rules. And many people manage to follow all rules after getting punishment for breaking one.
Why are you not among those people?
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Sir Lordington » 11 Aug 2018, 19:12

The issue is not you mentioning transgender people, it's what you said after. Distasteul and completely unnecessary. You also didn't provide a ban code.

This isn't looking great.
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Swish » 11 Aug 2018, 19:16

Sir Lordington wrote:
11 Aug 2018, 19:12
It's what you said after. Distasteul and completely unnecessary.
What are you referring to?

And I have no ban code.

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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by awan » 11 Aug 2018, 19:21

I do not see you among the permabans in ban.txt so that might be indeed true. Then so far this likely is only a Perma pending.
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Swish » 14 Aug 2018, 19:26

Any updates? Still showing as a permaban on login attempt.

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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Mizari » 16 Aug 2018, 03:37

As sirlodington stated, what you said is very distasteful and quite frankly I'm hesitant to support this since your not providing anything to say you won't do certain stuff again.

Your history is pretty bad also so these things will always weigh against you but sincerity and seeing the error of your ways is the way forward here if you can do such a thing.

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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Swish » 17 Aug 2018, 18:48

To be honest, I don't see how trans-gender stuff is an 18+ topic, it has yet to be demonstrated how my comment violates the rules, but I've definitely not killed any more MPs due to improper escalation since my last time-out.

If there's a sensitivity towards gender-reassignment mechanics in this community, I can be more careful with such comments.

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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Frans_Feiffer » 18 Aug 2018, 17:42

I’m gonna say -1 to this one. Normally I’m more then fine to have bans removed or give second chances, but your notes aren’t great (as stated the notes come in pairs, which isn’t good) and when asked how you have changed for the better since your ban, you have completely dodged the questions and came up with an excuse to make you look as if you haven’t done anything wrong, which your notes say otherwise, and the comment you made doesn’t help either. It’s not so much that it’s 18+ (which even still, i’m not gonna talk to a kid or like a 15 year old about mutilating their genitalia and whatnot) but the fact that it was distasteful and unneccesary to no end. I’m sorry, but I don’t support bringing you back. If you can answer how you’ve changed for the good, or give us any reason to believe it would be wise to unban you, then maybe i’ll take it back and support your return, but for the time being i’m not for it.
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by ThesoldierLLJK » 29 Aug 2018, 10:56

Too soon you need to sit this one out
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Tharinoma » 01 Sep 2018, 06:27

Your appeal shows no acknowledgement of your wrongdoings and no sign that you won't repeat them.
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Swish » 02 Sep 2018, 01:59

It seems like the true motive here is not to a review of the facts, but rather fishing for the appellant to grovel. Which I will not.

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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Tharinoma » 02 Sep 2018, 07:42

The facts are :
You unquestionnably broke the rules multiple times over a long period of time.
You got banned for the last rulebreak.
You make an appeal in which you do not recognise that your actions were at any point against the rules and imply the admin that applied the ban had a bias while dealing with the incident.

To hear you say sorry would be nice. Considering you came to the server so many of us put so much work and effort in, and didn't feel the need to follow the rules we set in place. But that wouldn't be necessary for me to support this, all I need is some kind of insurance you simply won't do it again. The "facts" don't convince me.
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Re: Appeal Permaban

Post by Emeraldblood » 09 Sep 2018, 15:11

Resolved - Denied; You don't understand why you got banned, and as such, have not changed
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