Vispain's EORG Ban Appeal and Request

Vispain · Post by **Vispain** » 17 Aug 2018, 12:56

Your Byond ID: Vispain

Character Name: I was playing some random name character actually by accident.

Type Of Ban (Job-ban (include the job), Timed Ban, Permaban): EORG 3 hours

Admin who banned you (if known): Driecg36/Host. I think it was a auto ban.
Total Ban Duration: 3 Hours

Remaining Duration: 3 hours.

What other servers do you play on? Lebensraum and this on

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones? I've been banned on only this one ever before.

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned): EORG

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable): N/A

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): Ok, so basically I feel this ban should not only be appealed but also, er, challenged if that is possible and struck from my record. Let me explain.
My squad was ordered to kill a queen in Viro. We went there and my marines went south and killed it. After a ARES scan of ZERO and a short wait the round ended and me and the Delta Engineer were just chillin' and firing off some last rounds at a wall when SUDDENLY he collapsed to the floor with a larva popping out of him. Just, I saw the larva popping out of him I fired my flamer at the tile of his body. What resulted was the larva catching on fire, his already dead body catching on fire, and then dream daemon restarted the round with me being banned for EORG.

In all likelihood, by the time this Ban Appeal is seen the Ban time will be over. The reason this Ban Appeal should still be looked at is I seek the proper events reflected and the notes to reflect what ACTUALLY happened and that is was NOT EORG.
I would like this removed or mentioned it was not EORG on my notes. What I did was NOT EORG and I think I can prove that easily if you talk to the guy I supposedly EORG'd and look at the notes on what happened.
He can also corroborate how we WERE just letting of some rounds at a wall and then he popped with me managing to set his body alight just as the larva exited.
I'd like to post a screenshot I thought I took of the event but the round had already ended, my screenshot didn't take as dream daemon force quit me and I forgot to snip it.

Please get into contact with the guy I "EORG'd". He can corroborate. I do not know his name because my browser forcequit me due to Dream Daemon, I took my screenshot, and thought that would be enough. Apparently though the screenshot didn't save because BYOND was force quit by the end of the round.

Also the notes should reflect that a larva died literally seconds after/before the Delta Engineer died.

The notes also reflect I said "OH SHIT" which was in response to having that crazy thing happen.

ThesoldierLLJK · Post by **ThesoldierLLJK** » 17 Aug 2018, 13:05

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I mean normally 3 hour EORG bans wont be processed because it takes longer than 24 hours. As far as the situation and getting the note removed, that's beyond my pay grade.

Vispain · Post by **Vispain** » 17 Aug 2018, 13:08

I don't necessarily care if it is removed but I would please like somebody to look into this so it can be seen what actually happened and then have my notes reflect that, be it in a after note to the EORG ban, or just straight up removal.

Due to the nature of the situation I believed this is where I would appeal such a ban and request what I have.

There are two ways I know you can see what happened. The after notes on the round that involve this event and a PM to a guy involved about what happened.

NethIafins · Post by **NethIafins** » 17 Aug 2018, 13:37

[11:42:05]ATTACK: Cristopher David (vispain) shot Jax 'Baldie' Tidingson (AAA) with a M240A1 incinerator unit (Wielded) in the Unknown Area
[11:42:11]SAY: Cristopher David/Vispain : OH SHIT
[11:42:16]ADMIN: driecg36 has banned vispain|Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: EORG

Case closed?

Vispain · Post by **Vispain** » 17 Aug 2018, 13:47

Er. No. A larva died seconds after. Please get into contact with Jax Tidingson. I believe he can corroborate.

See, the larva got set on fire just after Jax was "attacked" but that was a indirect attack I assume according to the logs so it won't be on the record there. It may be reflected if the logs show a larva dying due to indirect attack like fire on the ground (which is how it was set alight and then died).

All this happened really fast, and around the same time Jax fell and the Larva started popping I fired the flamer. Once the larva popped it was immediately set on fire and shortly died after.

driecg36 · Post by **driecg36** » 17 Aug 2018, 14:19

I did jump to you, but I did not see the larva. However, I saw Jax was already on the ground, and it's very possible that a larva jumped out of him.

I'm not sure if we should erase the note, but you shouldn't be worried about that. EORG bans are hardly a black mark upon a player's reputation.

EDIT: also "End of Round Grief (EORG) is fighting and generating any combat logs with friendly players after the round ends and is an immediate 3-hour ban without warning." The ban is technically valid, but I feel like we could chalk it up to RAW vs RAI. had I seen the larva myself, I would've most likely not applied the ban.

Vispain · Post by **Vispain** » 17 Aug 2018, 15:55

Yeah, I can understand that.
I don't know what RAW vs RAI means but if I had to guess I'd say it involved end of round fighting against a Antag which, last I heard, was allowed and still IC.

If it's not too trouble and you can see that it was not true EORG then I'd like something done about the note be it another note regarding it or removal.

And, at the time of me flaming the marine and yelling something along the lines of, "OH SHIT", the larva was dead and I think still on fire north of the marine. I was at that point to the East of the body as I moved to chase the larva but my own fire blocked me, however managed to set it alight via AoE.

NethIafins · Post by **NethIafins** » 17 Aug 2018, 16:01

you need to ahelp in the round end something along the lines of "LARVA!" or "XENOS!" or "There are still xenos here don't ban me pls"

This is exactly why we ban for eorg without even looking - it would force us to delay round to investigate what you were doing.

Vispain · Post by **Vispain** » 17 Aug 2018, 22:10

I actually would've but as I said, the round miliseconds after I was given the EORG ban. Then, due to BYOND/the ban/end of round I received that typical message of how the round is over and you are kicked essentially out. I wasn't able to AHELP in that round therefore due to that unfortunate demon, Dream Daemon I think it was, or the follow up ones as I was banned by that point.

EDIT:
I understand you guys may have a heavy workload, and I think the seriousness, or lack thereof, of the issue in how it reflects in notes (as one staff member mentioned) combined with how it seems like finding the complete story behind it is pretty difficult to decipher (that's the vibe I'm getting) means that this appeal maybe should be set aside.

Part of the reason I say that is the engineer I was with doesn't seem to appear in anything like character dossier or such and I believe they may be unregistered and thus hard to contact for full corroboration. I also looked for them directly so I could maybe mention this but BYOND doesn't show any AAA names. Only Aaa and other such similar names with lots of a's.

I suppose in the technical sense it was EORG, but the circumstances were rather...interesting, especially how my weapon was indirect, the guy was popping etcetra, notes, etcetra... Nevertheless...

If you'd like just uh "deny?" the appeal as I don't think this'll be easily resolved, the ban is already over, and as a staff guy noted it is not that serious then please do so.
It's no biggie really and ya'll have more important stuff to look at (as that long Appeals page reflects :C)

Sir Lordington · Post by **Sir Lordington** » 19 Aug 2018, 11:43

Rule 3, Bans take at minimum, 24 hours to be investigated and processed. Avoid appealing for a 24 hour or less ban.

Resolved - Ban expired.

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