24 Hour Ban Appeal - Konaco

[Konaco]

Your Byond ID:Konaco

Character Name:
Graeme Blessig

Type Of Ban (Job-ban (include the job), Timed Ban, Permaban):
Timed Ban

Admin who banned you (if known):
Driegcg36

Total Ban Duration:
24 Hours

Remaining Duration:
24 Hours

What other servers do you play on?
CM, Baystation HRP

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones?
No.

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):
"Shot up a marine with two full bursts over a single punch. Argued he did nothing wrong and it was self defense.."

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):
None.

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):

So I had joined a round during while our ship was under seige. I had a huge blast shooting through the Hangars as our fellow marines manage to push the enemy through the brig and near extinction. I had managed to kill two T3s and in my adrenaline I ran into lower maintenance in search of the surviving Xeno scrouge.

Towards the far east section of maint, I encountered a marine who ran towards me, pushing me east. He had harm(?) intent on so I was not able to switch places with him. He then goes:

PFC Wyatt Negus says, "DEAD END"
PFC Wyatt Negus says, "IDIOT"
PFC Graeme Blessig says, "Christ"

He proceeds to push me and beat and assault me, I start bleeding and with my gun already drawn for the escaping Xenos, I impulsively shot at him fearing for my IC life. He backs away and I proceed East. The round immediately ends following this incident.

I then receive a message from Moderator Driecg36.

Moderator PM from Driecg36: Why did you unga blast Graeme?

PM to Driecg36: ugh, what a cry baby. He shoved me in maint and started attacking me when I didnt get out of the way fast enough. I shot at him in self defense. It's a non-issue, and not an ERG

Moderator PM from Driecg36: It isnt a non issue, you nearly killed him over him blocking your way. That's called grief, even if it isnt end of round grief.

PM to Driecg36: He was extremely hostile towards me over nothing and started beating me

Moderator PM from Driecg36: A punch doesnt mean you can literally pepper him with bullets.

PM to Driecg36: what do you mean him blocking my way? I was ready to move back

PM to Driecg36: infact I WAS moving back

Moderator PM from Driecg36: You should read our rules on proper escalation. You responded to a punch with lethal force, which is against the rules.

PM to Driecg36: when my character has the addrenaline of killing two T3s, and someone beats me bloody I have the right to shoot back out of fear of my own life

Moderator PM from Driecg36: No you don't. I suggest you read these Rules Page.

PM to Driecg36: I don't understand people who play like that then cry to admins when they get hurt

Moderator PM from Driecg36: You literally almost killed him over a punch.

PM to Driecg36: he started beating me, I'm either going to take it and potentially die, or im going to shoot at him

Moderator PM from Driecg36: I'm going to give you a 24 hour ban for blatant grief, and then arguing with staff over it.

PM to Driecg36: seriously?

You have been banned by driecg36.
Reason: Shot up a marine with two full bursts over a single punch. Argued he did nothing wrong and it was self defense..


I do genuinely believe that I have committed an offence that was detrimental to the integrity of CM. However, I am making this appeal because I genuinely feel wronged by both this Staffer, and a player who cared less about the games integrity than I do.

Firstly: When I join CM each day giving my best enjoyment and effort in roleplay, only to be totally crushed by a player who not only demonstrates that he doesn't care about roleplay and immersion, but that he was indeed a complete and total troll.

Secondly, by moderator Driecg36. Who while doing his diligence in investigating the serious offence I have commited, demonstrated that he cared less about due process and the players who campaign over CMs merit and artistic/mechanical value. I have issue with the specified reason he banned me for which is 'Blatand grief'. A griefer as is it universally known (and defined by Wikipedia) is:

• A player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game.

and

• derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities

.

I did not join CM that round to do any of these things, and that's not how I ended a round either. I was having a great time with my character as a Marine in a bizzare calamity, only to be griefed myself when a player deliberately irritated and harassed me by attempting to punch me to death at the end of a round (ERG).

Thirdly, Driegc36's egregious ban reason that is now cemented on my player record. "Shot up a marine with two full bursts over a single punch. Argued he did nothing wrong and it was self defense..
". I Never argued that I did nothing wrong, this moderator was so quick to power trip that he never gave me a chance at a closing statement.

In closing, I hold no personal grudge towards Driegc36 or any of the CM staff, and I'd like to say I sorry about my bad conduct. It was the heed of the moment, and firing my rifle over a physical assault was an extreme impairment of judgement. However I got griefed, and I'm making this appeal because I don't believe Driecg36 understood the capacity of how the assaulting non-RP marine was acting towards me. I'm sure you blokes at CM hear this all the time, but I genuinely wouldn't have made an appeal over a 24 hour ban it I didn't feel wronged, and I feel I should have gotten a stern warning at best.

Thankyou for taking the time to read this post. Colonial Marines is one of the few things that keep my mind occupied from tough times at work and at home.

[Sleepy Retard]

Rule 3:
Bans take at minimum, 24 hours to be investigated and processed. Avoid appealing for a 24 hour or less ban.

I believe this was meant to be a staff report, yes?

[Konaco]

Rule 3:
Bans take at minimum, 24 hours to be investigated and processed. Avoid appealing for a 24 hour or less ban.

I believe this was meant to be a staff report, yes?

This is correct

[Sleepy Retard]

This is correct

Next time post the staff report in the staff report section, which is here: viewforum.php?f=118

Given that this is written almost exactly like a staff report, it'll be moved or you'll have to write it once more under the proper section if it gets locked.

[driecg36]

well he's got wikipedia not much I can say to that

[Konaco]

Next time post the staff report in the staff report section, which is here: viewforum.php?f=118

Given that this is written almost exactly like a staff report, it'll be moved or you'll have to write it once more under the proper section if it gets locked.

Sorry about that Defaultio, I didn't know there was such a section.

well he's got wikipedia not much I can say to that

Nice, rather than choose discourse to tell me I'm wrong, you decide to be condescending. Not very professional, I've never had a member of CM act like that before.

[driecg36]

Nice, rather than choose discourse and telling me I'm wrong, you decide to be condescending. Not very professional, I've never had a member of CM act like that before.

Ok I thought this was a shitpost (wouldve been a damn good one at that), but since I guess it isn't. I'm gonna skip over all the dramatic fluff like "the player didnt care about the artistic/mechanical integrity of the game" and just go for the facts.

1) "that he doesn't care about roleplay and immersion, but that he was indeed a complete and total troll." "only to be griefed myself when a player deliberately irritated and harassed me by attempting to punch me to death"
He punched you once and called you an idiot. There is literally 0 OOC violation here, as that is perfectly acceptable roleplay. Nearly killing someone over being hit once and called an idiot obviously isn't however.

2) "attempting to punch me to death at the end of a round (ERG)." "I shot at him in self defense. It's a non-issue, and not an ERG"
I dunno how he couldve punched you after round end while you retaliated before round end.

3) "I Never argued that I did nothing wrong, this moderator was so quick to power trip that he never gave me a chance at a closing statement." =/= "I have the right to shoot back out of fear of my own life"
I handled the situation quickly because I already had to delay the round simply to be able to PM you, and around 100+ players were waiting for me to resolve the issue. Naturally I would've explained to you further in depth as to why you were dead wrong, but reading this post I feel like it wouldve been a waste of time anyway.

[Konaco]

Ok I thought this was a shitpost (wouldve been a damn good one at that), but since I guess it isn't. I'm gonna skip over all the dramatic fluff like "the player didnt care about the artistic/mechanical integrity of the game" and just go for the facts.

Sure, but you know what? That doesn't bother me. This game and its community means a lot to me. I'm sorry you don't see it that way but I already knew you didn't care.
EDIT: *I'm sorry you dont see that I feel that way, didn't mean you.

1) "that he doesn't care about roleplay and immersion, but that he was indeed a complete and total troll." "only to be griefed myself when a player deliberately irritated and harassed me by attempting to punch me to death"
He punched you once and called you an idiot. There is literally 0 OOC violation here, as that is perfectly acceptable roleplay. Nearly killing someone over being hit once and called an idiot obviously isn't however.

I was wounded before, and bleeding after. If he punched me once then he did (Obviously everyone has the logs). I don't recall since it happened in the span of 10 seconds.

2) "attempting to punch me to death at the end of a round (ERG)." "I shot at him in self defense. It's a non-issue, and not an ERG"
I dunno how he couldve punched you after round end while you retaliated before round end.

Semantics, it was pretty clear the round was over at that point since command announced there where 2 xenos left before people started cheering.

3) "I Never argued that I did nothing wrong, this moderator was so quick to power trip that he never gave me a chance at a closing statement." =/= "I have the right to shoot back out of fear of my own life"
I handled the situation quickly because I already had to delay the round simply to be able to PM you, and around 100+ players were waiting for me to resolve the issue. Naturally I would've explained to you further in depth as to why you were dead wrong, but reading this post I feel like it wouldve been a waste of time anyway.

In this context, it actually makes more sense to me and I wish I knew about it before I started raging. I'm sorry about that.

reading this post I feel like it wouldve been a waste of time anyway.

Unprofessional. If you are representing CM or any kind of group it's probably best to not have such a terrible attitude. I had a problem and I brought it to discussion, you don't need to act like I'm beneath you in anyway.

[freemysoul]

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[16:29:50]SAY: Wyatt Negus/ : DEAD END
[16:29:51]SAY: Wyatt Negus/ : IDIOT
[16:29:53]SAY: Graeme Blessig/Konaco : Christ
[16:29:57]ATTACK: /(Wyatt Negus) punched Konaco/(Graeme Blessig)
[16:29:58]SAY: Graeme Blessig/Konaco : Who you calling idiot?
[16:30:00]ATTACK: Graeme Blessig (konaco) shot Wyatt Negus () with a rifle bullet in the Hull Upper (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=218;Y=241;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000004]'>PM</a>)
[16:30:01]ATTACK: Graeme Blessig (konaco) shot Wyatt Negus () with a rifle bullet in the Hull Upper (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=218;Y=241;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000004]'>PM</a>)
[16:30:01]ATTACK: Graeme Blessig (konaco) shot Wyatt Negus () with a rifle bullet in the Hull Upper (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=218;Y=241;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000004]'>PM</a>)
[16:30:01]ATTACK: Graeme Blessig (konaco) shot Wyatt Negus () with a rifle bullet in the Hull Upper (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=218;Y=241;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000004]'>PM</a>)
[16:30:03]ATTACK: Graeme Blessig (konaco) shot Wyatt Negus () with a rifle bullet in the Hull Upper (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=218;Y=241;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000004]'>PM</a>)
[16:30:03]ATTACK: Graeme Blessig (konaco) shot Wyatt Negus () with a rifle bullet in the Hull Upper (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=218;Y=241;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000004]'>PM</a>)
[16:30:04]ATTACK: Graeme Blessig (konaco) shot Unknown (as Wyatt Negus) () with a rifle bullet in the Hull Upper (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=218;Y=241;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000004]'>PM</a>)
[16:30:44]ADMIN: HELP: /(): Graeme Blessig shot me because I kept pushing him back, called him and idiot and punched him when we were stuck in a maint tunnel - heard by 15 non-AFK admins.
[16:31:01]ADMIN: PM: Driecg36/(unknown)->Konaco/(Graeme Blessig): Why did you unga blast Graeme?
[16:31:38]ADMIN: PM: Konaco/(Graeme Blessig)->Driecg36/(unknown): ugh, what a cry baby. He shoved me in maint and started attacking me when I didnt get out of the way fast enough. I shot at him in self defense.  It&#39;s a non-issue, and not an ERG
(Already getting hostile, Also shooting him for blocking you and for punching you once is a No No straight away)
[16:32:16]ADMIN: PM: Driecg36/(unknown)->Konaco/(Graeme Blessig): It isnt a non issue, you nearly killed him over him blocking your way. That's called grief, even if it isnt end of round grief.
[16:32:18]ADMIN: PM: Konaco/(Graeme Blessig)->Driecg36/(unknown): He was extremely hostile towards me over nothing and started beating me
(Them being hostile to you via voice still isn't an excuse)
[16:32:41]ADMIN: PM: Driecg36/(unknown)->Konaco/(Graeme Blessig): A punch doesnt mean you can literally pepper him with bullets.
[16:32:43]ADMIN: PM: Konaco/(Graeme Blessig)->Driecg36/(unknown): what do you mean him blocking my way? I was ready to move back
[16:32:50]ADMIN: PM: Konaco/(Graeme Blessig)->Driecg36/(unknown): infact I WAS moving back
(No way of actually checking if this was actually true)
[16:33:12]ADMIN: PM: Driecg36/(unknown)->Konaco/(Graeme Blessig): You should read our rules on proper escalation. You responded to a punch with lethal force, which is against the rules.
[16:33:38]ADMIN: PM: Konaco/(Graeme Blessig)->Driecg36/(unknown): when my character has the addrenaline of killing two T3s, and someone beats me bloody I have the right to shoot back out of fear of my own life
(this isn't a excuse nor do you have the right to do that)
[16:34:01]ADMIN: PM: Driecg36/(unknown)->Konaco/(Graeme Blessig): No you don't. I suggest you read these <a href="https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Rules">Rules Page</a>.
[16:34:07]ADMIN: PM: Konaco/(Graeme Blessig)->Driecg36/(unknown): I don&#39;t understand people who play like that then cry to admins when they get hurt
[16:34:20]ADMIN: PM: Driecg36/(unknown)->Konaco/(Graeme Blessig): You literally almost killed him over a punch.
[16:34:42]ADMIN: PM: Konaco/(Graeme Blessig)->Driecg36/(unknown): he started beating me, I&#39;m either going to take it and potentially die, or im going to shoot at him
(Can't really tell if you was being beaten to death or what, but there's only one punch log from them against you.)
[16:34:46]ADMIN: PM: Driecg36/(unknown)->Konaco/(Graeme Blessig): I'm going to give you a 24 hour ban for blatant grief, and then arguing with staff over it.
[16:34:54]ADMIN: PM: Konaco/(Graeme Blessig)->Driecg36/(unknown): seriously?

Best I can say is it's possible they just described it incorrectly, I would have put it as Improper Escalation rather then Griefing, But as far as the logs show, It still stands you put 2 full bursts into a player over really a single punch and them blocking you (I cannot prove or disprove this) which you could of disarmed them and pushed them over, If an admin or moderator has to contact you over something it is already an issue.

Secondly, while it's not a nice experience to be contacted, you should remain calm and collected, Driecg did the correct thing to contact you after round end to make sure you weren't fighting, but you did still act somewhat hostile towards them, Even now you are still acting hostile.

Thirdly, If the person did punch you to death, then they themselves would be in trouble, I say it's pretty clear from the logs point of view that the player intended to leave it at one punch and not full out war of aggression.

Fourthly, Using ban appeals to report staff isn't the best way to so, if you believe the staff needed reprimanding then it is best to go through staff reports, as if it is found in your favour you would most likely still get your ban appealed.

[Sir Lordington]

At a glance, the ban seems justified. Regardless, I'm closing this under Rule 3, do not appeal bans that are 24 hours or less. You can head over to the staff reports section if you wish to file a complaint against driecg.

Resolved - Denied.