Daturix/Jayne Staymates Job-ban Appeal

[Daturix]

Your Byond ID:
Daturix
Character Name:
Jayne Staymates
Type Of Ban (Job-ban (include the job), Timed Ban, Permaban):
Job-ban, Medic, also bans me from CMO Doc and researcher.
Admin who banned you (if known):
Eldefaultio
Total Ban Duration:
Permenant
Remaining Duration:
Forever
What other servers do you play on?
TG is the only other currently.
Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones?
Yes. almost all but was many years ago and I've successfully appealed each one that I know I was banned on.
No bans from any servers since this ban was applied for a tl;dr
Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):
Banned from Chief Medical Officer, Doctor, Researcher - Above note. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Fri, August 24th of 2018 Remove
http://prntscr.com/kvl9p5 For a screenshot of received. Yes the name was changed by the admin for "privacy reasons?" it's by eldefaultio.
Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):
No previous appeal for this.
Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):
Normally I'd give logs or etc for a situation like I did on TG for issues. But that doesnt seem important and I dont care to argue that.
What I do want to say is I made a mistake yeah. I spoke with a manager on the situation that resulted in my ban which was an precedent ruling on anthestic injectors that rules them as 100% grief. This was made before I was a player and not readily available anywhere besides asking and thus something I could not have known about.

I made a mistake, I broke a rule. Yes its a rule that its breaking the rules about not knowing the rules. I understand my mistake. I will not do it again.
Like any situation someone cannot prove 100% that they won't do something again unless given the chance, as words only carry so far without action to prove it.
This appeal is my word of saying I'm not going to repeat the situation again. My action of being unbanned will be the proof that I won't repeat.

(Also off record, fuck this ban I just want to be a medicslut again.)

[RobBrown4PM]

Notes:

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Notes for Daturix:

Shot up a marine at the end of the round, but I was not able to see the logs until the victim showed me a picture of last round. Just adding a warning as they did not know this was a rule (which many servers allow, to be fair) and was polite when questioned. Warned not to EORG again, ban reccomended if so.
by on Tue, August 23rd of 2016

Banned by|Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: EORG
by on Mon, April 30th of 2018

Warned for ID rules - picking up IDs.
by on Sat, May 5th of 2018

Warned for OOC in IC (Via prayers)
by on Thu, May 24th of 2018

Banned by|Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: EORG
by on Tue, June 19th of 2018

Warned for acting friendly towards the marines as a runner.
by on Wed, August 8th of 2018

Banned by |Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: Grief - Chloral'd three people to 'stop a fight', caused a situation which caused someone to gun him down.
by on Wed, August 8th of 2018

Banned by|Duration: 1440 minutes|Reason: Grief - Overdosed an MP on Inprov, ninety units to prevent an arrest.. Prior recent history will also result in a job ban.
by on Fri, August 24th of 2018

Banned from Chief Medical Officer, Doctor, Researcher - Above note.
by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Fri, August 24th of 2018

Banned from Squad Medic - Above.
by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Fri, August 24th of 2018

I like your honesty in admitting you messed up. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing this lifted, provided of course there's no other issues that haven't been shown.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

I'm ok with you getting a chance to prove yourself again with just a job lift from Doctor. If you can play Doctor without screwing up, I'm ok with you getting a unban from researcher and CMO
+1

[Daturix]

I'm ok with you getting a chance to prove yourself again with just a job lift from Doctor. If you can play Doctor without screwing up, I'm ok with you getting a unban from researcher and CMO
+1

If I may ask to specify, as you left out medic, you would not be pleased with medic being unbanned?

[ThesoldierLLJK]

If I may ask to specify, as you left out medic, you would not be pleased with medic being unbanned?

Yeah medic/doctor and maybe researcher are fine, I believe in the philosophy you should get a chance at the lower jobs before getting a department head job unban.

[Ordukai]

Just so you know, "adminbot" is the name of the bot that places jobbans, it's not a name staff can choose in place of their own.

I'm a bit confused, and based off your appeal maybe you are too. I'm not much of a medical guy, but I believe "Inaprovaline" is different than an anesthetic/soporific like chloral hydrate. I say this because the reason for the jobban is the "above note" Banned |Duration: 1440 minutes|Reason: Grief - Overdosed an MP on Inprov, ninety units to prevent an arrest. Prior recent history will also result in a job ban.

In your appeal, you're mostly apologizing for not knowing about something that you couldn't have known about, which isn't as much an apology as it is a complaint about the rules not being clearly available. I can understand taking that tone when that issue is the key cause of the ban, but... In this case, it seems like it's not.

Can you address the event that caused the jobban, overdosing the MP? Or clarify the appeal for me if I'm misunderstanding the situation with the whole "conversation with the manager" and "precedent ruling on anesthetic injectors" not being relevant/the key point of the ban?

[Daturix]

Just so you know, "adminbot" is the name of the bot that places jobbans, it's not a name staff can choose in place of their own.

I'm a bit confused, and based off your appeal maybe you are too. I'm not much of a medical guy, but I believe "Inaprovaline" is different than an anesthetic/soporific like chloral hydrate. I say this because the reason for the jobban is the "above note" Banned |Duration: 1440 minutes|Reason: Grief - Overdosed an MP on Inprov, ninety units to prevent an arrest. Prior recent history will also result in a job ban.

In your appeal, you're mostly apologizing for not knowing about something that you couldn't have known about, which isn't as much an apology as it is a complaint about the rules not being clearly available. I can understand taking that tone when that issue is the key cause of the ban, but... In this case, it seems like it's not.

Can you address the event that caused the jobban, overdosing the MP? Or clarify the appeal for me if I'm misunderstanding the situation with the whole "conversation with the manager" and "precedent ruling on anesthetic injectors" not being relevant/the key point of the ban?

Sorry, due to my first note, with anthestic injectors being a past note eldefaultio said it'd be a job-ban for the improvaline incident because of that prior note/ban. I was trying to pre-face with some background but forgot the main point.
The improvaline incident I did skip over on my fault. Round starts, I go into prep and start getting ready as a medic, I go to the weapon vendors and notice an MP and then eventually the CMP* harassing the spec because of a minor thing, IIRC it was the spec refused to put on his armor in req line when the MP asked or something. So the MP was camping outside the spec prep and was going to arrest him the second he stepped out, as marine shenanigans I know from my nonstop playing of medic, improvaline is a harmless OD that puts you to sleep, I've done it millions of times in other cases, ie to prevent a crit guy from walking away from me when hes about to drop dead. So I triple or 4x dosed the MP while he was typing and drug him to the cafe and told the spec to go deploy as it was time. I gave him dyvolene which speeds up the metabolism of drugs from my experience. He was up and walking a minute or so later. Eldefaultio told me that an improvaline OD causes heart damage which I've never seen or heard as playing nonstop medic, and then I received the Job-ban due to the prior ban of anthestic injectors.

[Ordukai]

Ok, that makes a lot more sense.

My next question is a tricky one- Do you now understand why both of these situations got you a ban? I mean, what's wrong with doing what you did?

[Daturix]

Ok, that makes a lot more sense.

My next question is a tricky one- Do you now understand why both of these situations got you a ban? I mean, what's wrong with doing what you did?

Obviously it's to only use medical supplies as intended. To sum it all up into one sentence.

[Adralimas]

Note history isn't too bad and i'm always down for second chances, I'll be alright with the lifting of Medic / Doctor / Researcher. +1 to lifting!

[Sleepy Retard]

I'm fine with doctor/researcher and medic being removed. CMO can wait.

Though, I'd advise you to reread what drugs do. There isn't a 'harmless overdose'.

[Solarmare]

CMO ban can remain with other ones being lifted, similar abuse of chems would lead to them being reapplied.

[Ordukai]

It sounds like this problem was caused by some general ignorance of the medical system as well as, like you said, not using medical supplies as intended. Since you understand the issue and are willing to improve, I agree with Solar that you can be unbanned from Doctor, Researcher, and Squad Medic. CMO will wait until you show that you have no problems handling those responsibilities by playing without medical (or other significant) issues for a while. Just make a new appeal at least a month later and we'll review it. This doesn't mean just stop playing for a month before appealing, though. And remember to link this as a previous appeal for the CMO ban.

Resolved- Unbanned from Doctor, Researcher, and Squad Medic.

Create a new appeal for CMO unjobban (Minimum of 1 month later).