Command Job Ban Appeal

[Ratpack]

Your Byond ID: Ratpack

Character Name: Don "Ratpack" Cohen

Type Of Ban (Job-ban (include the job), Timed Ban, Permaban): Banned from playing Command jobs

Admin who banned you (if known): TheSoldierLLJK (Pardon poor spelling)

Total Ban Duration: I don't remember (I think it's 7 days)

Remaining Duration: Finished

What other servers do you play on? Paradise, 1713 (Currently 313BC) , DMCA, Persistent Station 13

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones? No

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned): I was banned for killing the Commander as XO after a mutiny, (I was not part of the mutiny, but as soon as they were outside the room I took their side, he surrendered, later on leading him to his room and shooting and killing him for getting our men killed) I made a misinterpretation, and I understand that ignorance is not an excuse. I'd like to also apologize to everyone in that round, specifically the Commander, Patton Moore.

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):None

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): None

I also apologize if I formatted this incorrectly, this is my first ban, and I do not know what I am doing.

[x31stOverlord]

Notes:

Murdered a CO who stood down peacefully in a munity, he was not one of the origional people in the ahelp, and decided to change sides. Afterwards he went into the CO's office and murdered him. Command Job bans issued. | Tue, October 23rd of 2018

Banned from Commander, Executive Officer, Staff Officer, Pilot Officer, Tank Crewman, Military Police, Corporate Liaison, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer, Chief MP - See above notes | Tue, October 23rd of 2018

[Dorkkeli]

This jobban is quite recent. I suggest you play Squad Leader and such for a few weeks, without hickups. But for now, neutral, leaning towards - 1

[Lumdor]

The ban is recent but ratpack is not a bad player.

If anything the only job ban that should stay for now is XO.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

As the mod who issued the ban, like I said what you did was a big NO NO. But you were honest and knew you dun goofed.
That being said, now that its been a few days, I'm ok with you getting everything unbans on the command jobs but XO/CMP/CO with those you can appeal at later date.

[taketheshot56]

Being the CO who was gunned down, we all make mistakes. You admitted to them and i echo soldiers words, remova all but CMP, XO and CO.

[Tharinoma]

Players that are as active as you are, willing to play command roles and have such a low amount of notes are pretty rare.
+1 for full unban.

[RobBrown4PM]

I was there for this and I believe I dealt with a similar issue with another player at the same time this one happened.

You're not a bad guy, but you need to think about these things before you do'em.

I'd vote for a +1 on this.

[Ratpack]

I was there for this and I believe I dealt with a similar issue with another player at the same time this one happened.

You're not a bad guy, but you need to think about these things before you do'em.

I'd vote for a +1 on this.

Yeah, that was the LT that opened up on a bunch of marines after the mutiny, if my memory serves me right.

[x31stOverlord]

Yeah, Ratpack isn't a bad player, I can believe this wasn't with ill intent.

+1 for the appeal

[420MYK]

As one of the mods who oversaw this mutiny and the one who made the announcements to clear it i made it very clear to follow normal mutiny rules. Which includes no killing after the mutiny was finished. I'm only +1ing this because i saw your RP reasons for it and there was still sporadic fighting between MP's and marines.

You seem to understand what you did wrong though and i know the fact you decapped the CO was just RNG and you didn't go out of your way to do it. So yeah +1 but be careful next time

[Frans_Feiffer]

As one of the people involved in this round, I understand it was extremely hectic. It doesn’t mean what you did was right, but after the fact you realized your mistake and admitted to it, of which seems genuine to me. So with that,

+1 to lifting all but XO/CMP/CO.

[Ordukai]

You mentioned making a misinterpretation. What did you misinterpret, and do you know what you should have done in that situation instead?

[Ratpack]

You mentioned making a misinterpretation. What did you misinterpret, and do you know what you should have done in that situation instead?

Sure, I reckon I can explain it.

So to start out, I believe we should start out at the beginning. For all those who don't know about what really started the mutiny, the Delta SL called in an OB, that he demanded be fired instantly as soon as he got it set, Commander pass off on it, and as soon as I got the coords, I fired it.
Now here's the issue, the marines were basically pushing into the area where the OB was being thrown down on, killing quite a few of them, and maiming the others. This is where the anti command sentiment started to roll in for the troops. I had an argument with the SO from Charlie as well as the other SL's about firing it, when we made it clear that we'd fire it ASAP.
Now, one of the things that really bugged my character here was the multiple other conundrums before that I had while in the CIC with the commander, making my characters disdain for the commander even greater, but the way the commander addressed his Command staff, his SL's, and even the pilots in the rather black and white picture made Don Cohen, my character, angrier that he was viewing the marines as something close to ants, and not the individuals that they are. When then mutiny started, the Commander demanded that we disarm ourselves, and I stormed out of the CIC, opening the door for the marines, and surrendering to them directly, rather than under the grasp of the commander. After this, a massive amount of drama, including an SO grabbing a tactical shotgun and going to town in the CIC (or attempting to), my character interpreted that all this chaos, all this nonsense was at the hands of the commander. So when I told him that I wanted to speak to him in his office (this was all after he stood down peacefully) said something along the lines of "you did all of this" pulled out my sidearm and fired at him, somehow blowing his head off.

Now heres where the misinterpretations come in. This was my 3rd mutiny in all of CM that I actually participated in. Of those 3 mutinies, this was the first time where I was with the command staff. Before I move forward with this, I fully recognize that ignorance is not an excuse. I forgot for one, that I needed to PM the admin letting them know who's side I was on.
My next misinterpretation was of killing the commander after he peacefully surrendered. I thought, that with my characters RP motivations that he had every right to at least attack the commander.

I understand this is extremely stupid of me, and I once again, like the broken record that I am, would like to apologize to everyone, especially the Commander and the staff for ruining this round for everyone, I did not have any malicious intent here, I thought it'd make for a good story in the round, and everything I did was to make a stronger RP for the round. I really fucked up, and I highly regret my actions.


I ask that I may be forgiven, and if possible, have the ability to play all the roles I was banned from, aside from CO/CMO/XO. I completely understand that I have sent in an appeal very early, and if you'd like, I can play more SL without any infractions to prove my worth.

I would also like to thank the moderator for not flipping out on me, and approching me in a calm cool collected manner, even refering me to the guide for muntinys.

Also sorry if this is all over the place, I'm typing different parts of it while I'm at work.

[Ratpack]

You mentioned making a misinterpretation. What did you misinterpret, and do you know what you should have done in that situation instead?

Also just realized I didn't answer the second part of your question.

In that situation, I should've just went along from the very start with the commanders orders of throwing down the weapons and waiting for them to come in, then complying with the mutineers orders. (Sorry if this is really lackluster)

[Ordukai]

It sounds like you understand what you did wrong, and you seem sincere about not doing it again, so I think it's ok to give you the benefit of the doubt and lift the jobbans except for CO/CMO/XO (as you said). Of course, if you do something to get banned from these positions again, you may find it more difficult to appeal in the future.

Resolved- Command jobbans (excluding CO, XO, and CMO) lifted. You can appeal the remaining jobbans again in 30 days.