Self Defense in character

[asonofashadow]

Your Byond ID:

Character Name: Hope Pycroft

Type Of Ban (Job-ban (include the job), Timed Ban, Permaban): Timed

Admin who banned you (if known): Taketheshot56

Total Ban Duration: 24hrs

Remaining Duration: 23.9hrs

What other servers do you play on? None

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones? None

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):

Two guys, who had previously been harassing me, blocked me in and one broke my foot.

I shot one of them, because? I thought they were going to do worse than that.

Now I was told last night by an ADMIN the guy telling "Nigger jokes" was okay, because it is light racism and is aloud if it's "in character".

So guess what if you cornered me and broke my characters foot. Hope my character would shoot you before finding out if you were going to hurt her worse. So in short I shot them in character, for hurting me first. Not sure how many marines would just sit there and let someone go beyond breaking bones, before they shot somebody. Why am I banned?

The only reason, I explained myself to a moderator was that he asked what that was about, then just took their side.

He even decided to tell me the BS, I should have waited because they would be in trouble instead. REALLY? Because, first he tried to say I started it. When I asked how could I have stated it "THEY BROKE MY FOOT FIRST!?!" he just changed the subject. So can't help but think favoritism there.

Do you know how long it takes to get into these games sometimes?

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): They broke my foot first. I shot after.

[DrPng]

I'm confused, if you are trying to appeal or report the way a staff member handled a situation. From the sounds of it, this should be a staff report not an appeal.

[freemysoul]

Investigating now...

[freemysoul]

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Banned by |Duration: 1440 minutes|Reason: Banned for improper escalation/grief: After being pushed several times and hit once with a fist he decided to open fire on another marine firing almost a full magazine of ammo into said marine. Upon being spoken to, the player in question. Claimed no one followed the rules and "So yeah fuck him and people like him. Yeah I shot him. No, I'm not sorry. Yes I could have hit back when he BROKE MY FOOT, but fuck him as I said" Horrible attitude in PMs and in game. Read the rules then come back. 
by () on Mon, November 12th of 2018

The punch to start the fight and summary logs up to getting admin PM'd.

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[15:52:39]ATTACK: /(Franklin Ramis) punched ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)
[15:52:50]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:50]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:51]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:51]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:51]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:52]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=153;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:52]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=153;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:52]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:52]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:53]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:53]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:53]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:54]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=172;Y=70;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[15:52:54]ATTACK: Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) shot Andrei 'Ka-Boom' Stukov () with a submachinegun bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=152;Y=37;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000042]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:55]ATTACK: Franklin Ramis () shot Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) with a pistol bullet in the Alamo Landing Zone (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=148;Y=36;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500007d]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:55]ATTACK: Franklin Ramis () shot Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) with a pistol bullet in the Alamo Landing Zone (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=148;Y=36;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500007d]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:56]ATTACK: Franklin Ramis () shot Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) with a pistol bullet in the Alamo Landing Zone (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=148;Y=36;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500007d]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:56]ADMIN: /(Patton 'Hardtack' Moore) used Toggle Sleeping on ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft).
[15:52:56]ATTACK: Franklin Ramis () shot Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) with a pistol bullet in the Alamo Landing Zone (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=148;Y=36;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500007d]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:58]ATTACK: Franklin Ramis () shot Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) with a pistol bullet in the Alamo Landing Zone (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=148;Y=36;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500007d]'>PM</a>)
[15:52:58]ATTACK: Franklin Ramis () shot Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) with a pistol bullet in the Alamo Landing Zone (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=148;Y=36;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500007d]'>PM</a>)
[15:53:00]ATTACK: Franklin Ramis () shot Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) with a pistol bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=149;Y=36;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500007d]'>PM</a>)
[15:53:00]ATTACK: Franklin Ramis () shot Hope Pycroft (asonofashadow) with a pistol bullet in the Almayer Dropship 1 (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=149;Y=36;Z=1'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500007d]'>PM</a>).
[15:53:28]OOC: (LOCAL) Hope Pycroft/ASONOFASHADOW : They fucking attacked me
[15:53:42]ADMIN: HELP:/(Franklin Ramis): Whatever just happened right there...Sorry about that but...She kept pushing me on purpose, so i punched her once, then she gunned down my squaddie - heard by 10 non-AFK admins.
[15:53:46]ADMIN: PM:/(Patton 'Hardtack' Moore)-> /(Franklin Ramis): Dont return fire on griefers okay? 
[15:53:46]ATTACK:/(George Tailor) punched ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)

So firstly, I can only see one punch that's made on you (Note: Attempted Punches or attempted disarms do not show on logs) which is from a different person and then you sprayed down a completely different person who punched you. Now unless you were already hurt that one punch wouldn't break your bones.

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[15:54:05]ADMIN: PM: Taketheshot56/()->ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft): Mind explaining what that just was? 
[15:54:17]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): Uh yeah, they were fucking attacking me.
[15:56:03]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): I might have shot the wrong person but they were trying to take my stuff. 
[15:56:16]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): So, not really.
[15:56:28]ADMIN: PM: Taketheshot56/()->ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft): So they disarmed you and punched you once, so you decided to completely gun them down? 
[15:56:47]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): They were going to do more but I got my gun back and shot.
[15:56:57]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): Which is why they ran.
[15:57:16]ADMIN: PM: Taketheshot56/()->ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft): Have you read our rules?
[15:58:03]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): The only reason you're hearing about, this is they likely do this shit often. 
[15:58:06]ADMIN: PM: Taketheshot56/()->ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft): I mean the server rules, everyone else followed the rules in that situation before you decided to break them and gun the guy down. 
[15:58:39]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): Yep, two wrongs don't make a right, but I sure as fucking wasn't the only person and didn't start it.
[15:59:04]ADMIN: PM: Taketheshot56/()->ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft): Except they didnt commit a wrong and you are the one who started it. 
[15:59:14]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): How, did I start something?
[15:59:21]ADMIN: PM: Taketheshot56/()->ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft): You shot and killed the guy. 
[15:59:35]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): Explain to me, how walking east to my orders, and them hitting me and then tryign to take my stuff, was me startin git?
[15:59:52]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): I shot after that, meaning that's not the start, that's call the end.
[16:00:15]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): They both blocked me in, one hit me, the other tried to take my stuff, i grabbed my gun and shot the guy. Yeah, fuck him.
[16:00:36]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): Same two guys who took my stuff on the airship. So don't tell me I started anything.
[16:02:45]ADMIN: PM: Taketheshot56/()->ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft): Hitting you is IC, report it to the MPs or retaliate with your fists or run away. 
Deciding to take the law into your own hands and kill them for pushing you and hitting you once simply isnt how the rules work. You say you know the rules and decided to ignore them anyway?
[16:03:26]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): I'm saying, it sure seems like the only time you guys enforce the rules, is when someone get's tired of guys like their bullshit. So I shot them, before they did more than break my FUCKING FOOT. 
[16:04:03]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): So yeah fuck him and people like him. Yeah I shot him. No, I'm not sorry. Yes I could have hit back when he BROKE MY FOOT, but fuck him as I said.
[16:04:07]ADMIN: PM: Taketheshot56/()->ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft): We enforce the rules because you broke them, not them. You wouldnt gun down a fellow marine for trying to push you. You would do the logical thing. 
[16:04:27]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): No, you enforce the rules, when two trolls who attacked someone first, complain after the person gets tired of there shit.
[16:04:44]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): Had he not broke my foot he wouldn't have got shot, simple as that.
[16:07:21]ADMIN: PM: Taketheshot56/()->ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft): Thats simply not how the rules work. Blatant grief is something not welcome here and thats what you ended up doing to him with no remorse or care for breaking the rules. 

You will be recieving a 24 hour ban for the issue as well as the bad attitude towards the situation. You dont simply kill someone for hitting you once and decide its okay because you are tired of his shit, there were a multitude of IC ways to resolve that. 
[16:07:47]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): By the way, guy shot 4 people last night. One guy shot him back and the only reason he didn't get arrested, is I was there to prove it wasn't an accident.
[16:08:01]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): I havn't been here long but I see you admins get played alot.
[16:08:26]ADMIN: PM: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft)->Taketheshot56/(): I suppose I should have let him kill me or hurt me worse before I fought back? 
[16:09:11]ADMIN: PM: Taketheshot56/()->ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft): If he did that then he would be the one we would be dealing with not you, i reccomend you take the 24 hours to read up on our rules then hop back on okay? 
[16:10:07]ADMIN: HELP: ASONOFASHADOW/(Hope Pycroft): This is aboslute crap. Two guys trap me, one guy breaks my fucking foot, I'm not good with the melee and they try and take my stuff, so I shot one of them. No, I don't feel sorry, because they were trying to hurt me and take my stuff. They reported, not me. So, what was I supposed to do, let them kill me? Or, hurt me worse? - heard by 8 non-AFK admins.

So, As far as I can see, you not only killed a player over a punch/taking your stuff, You also actively acted hostile towards the staff member who dealt with you, still refuse to accept any of this is your fault and have broken Appeals Forum rule 3. I'll be handing to over to the Admin Manager so he can decide if further punishment is required.

[Sir Lordington]

A few issues here. First, you didn't fill in the ban appeal form correctly. Second, as the logs show, you were punched once and decided to retaliate by shooting a guy, completely disregarding escalation and thus breaking the rules. Third, Appeals Forum Rule 3 reads: "Bans take at minimum, 24 hours to be investigated and processed. Avoid appealing for a 24 hour or less ban." Fourth, your appeal clearly shows you haven't realised why you were in the wrong. Take some time off and read the rules.

Resolved - Denied