Banned for murder attempt

[Sligneris]

Beyond ID:
Sligneris

Admin who banned you:
Felkvir

Initial Duration:
2500 minutes

Duration Remaining:
2500 minutes

Reason for Ban:
Murder attempt on another marine

Your Appeal:
I attempted murder on another character because of theft. He picked up my personal AI and he wouldn't give it back even after me trying to take it off him or even punching him. My character, angered and hardly stable, decided to shoot him for that when he punched me back and tackled me down. It's a second time I have been banned for an entirely IC action. I'd like to be immediately unbanned. Game allows for murders, as stated in the rules and I did have a motive - obtaining an object that belonged to me, so it is not griefing - thus it is not a bannable offense.

[Felkvir]

So, you basically excuse your griefing for your character being crazy?


Yeah, sorry. But you're not getting unbanned. I see absolutely no reason to. What you did was not IC. What you did was overreact instead of actually taking real IC factors into your play.

[Sligneris]

I shot a single character who stole from me. How is that 'griefing'?

[Hailstorm77]

I'm pretty sure a Character like that wouldn't be a Marine...

[Sligneris]

From the server rules.

Griefing - Defined as the perceived intent of one player wanting to cause grief to other players or to the server without any roleplay or reason. The emphasis is on "intent". If an admin determines that the player's intent is to break roleplay, the player should expect swift retribution. Any damage to the station or players caused by griefing can be repaired at an Admin's discretion.

Defined as the perceived intent of one player wanting to cause grief to other players or to the server without any roleplay or reason

It was both a form of roleplay and I had a reason.

I'm pretty sure a Character like that wouldn't be a Marine...

So? You think that a character like that wouldn't be a Marine, so I should be banned for having a character that doesn't meet your standards? Wow.

[Hailstorm77]

No it's not the Standards all marines go through a Psych test before they even come to the Station. Therefore you had no reason to kill him other than "that guy took my stuff"

[Sligneris]

Okay - so it was strange to do for a marine.

How is 'strange to do for a marine' a bannable offense again? You're entirely missing the point here.

[Felkvir]

No, i think it's you who is missing the point entirely here. You did not do something strange for a marine, you did something outright insane. And you confessed it yourself, "My character, hardly stable"


And quoted from marine rule #3 "Incompetent Marines - The Colonial Marines wouldn't hire people with missing limbs (unless you had robotic replacements) or mental issues that cause them to harm themselves or fellow marines due to insanity."

[Sligneris]

(Funny that it was exceptionally allowed earlier as I adminhelped when an insane LO was murdering me a few days ago while "RPing insane", as the mod put it at the time... Not to mention a guy suiciding 3 times in the same game back then too. Shame I didn't report it at the time.)

Regardless, we could discuss all day about whether or not that theft is enough reason to kill or whether a specific kind of insanity would be detected in a psyche test. It's not even about whether my character has the right to be insane or not. That's beside the point. What is the point is whether killing someone over theft is enough to warrant a ban.

[Felkvir]

Yes it's a shame you did not report these incidents, because otherwise you're just contributing to it passing on. From what you just told me yourself, you made the same mistake as many many others .. Automatic assumption. Because some random douche excused his terribad behaviour by being 'insane', it's completely fine for you to do it amirite? Yeah, that's usually the mindset that gets you banned.

"That's beside the point" Actually it isn't. At all. If you're a marine you don't have a reason to act insane. You can be weird and stuff, sure.. Roleplay that. But going insane is usually reserved for the people that have actually gone through some serious shit IC.

Sorry but the only reason this discussion would continue is because you're delusioned by the little experience you've had here .. I don't see why you would defend with such a void argument "Is killing someone over minor theft really ban worthy?"

I really don't know how much clearer i need to make this to you. You have no reason to be unbanned. You might aswell just wait it out, or go play something else.

[Sligneris]

I have a very strong reason to be unbanned. It's a simple one - there was no reason to ban me in the first place. Was it wrong for me to do what I did? Sure. Should I be executed in-game? I'll agree. Banned? For what exactly would that be? Griefing you say? That's defined by killing without reason - and I had a reason. No, not just 'going insane', which is the statement you cling to so badly. It was simply an action taken against a guy who took my belongings and stunned me for my attempts on getting them back. If that's how killing one person is punished, then any and all murders while mutineering should be bannable too, yet somehow they are not

On a side note, I would like to remind you that have no authority to reject appeals for the bans you placed - that privilege is reserved for the Head Staff.

[Felkvir]

I'm not 'clinging' to anything, you cheeky dickwaffle. If you're going to admit something then don't try to hide it afterwards.

You say your reason for killing was the theft. >Killing someone over minor theft. >A strong reason.

It's not a reason at all. You had a million (non-literally) other choices in my perspective and you shot him dead. Good job.

If you're taking this seriously, your actions, in a roleplay perspective .. Then you're a very bad roleplayer. Which means there is even less reason to unban you.

Also, pay attention to how this is still open. Nothing is closed, or rejected. I never rejected anything. Funny how the automatic assumptions run through again, isn't it?

[Sligneris]

Let me get this straight - you're saying that I deserve to be banned, because I'm a bad roleplayer? How the hell does that relate to anything? Banning is to stop vandalism, not to reinforce your personal standards for roleplaying. I dared to try and say that my character could be insane, so that somehow reinforces preventing me from playing at all? Are you sure you're not abusing your status just a little bit?

[coroneljones]

Going -1
A guy..stole a pAI...you call an MP NOT kill them,also "hardly stable".. Falls into our competent marines rule i belive

In the end,almost useless item stole,you shot him due to that....-1

[Sligneris]

That guy was MP, just saying. That would be him failing on the competent marine aspect, I believe. We can talk about incompetence, the point is that I'm prevented from playing completely because a single guy died (except he didn't) in one of dozens of rounds. It's almost as if there's no Military Police to execute me or no cloning to revive him.

You know, now I'm just waiting until I get banned permanently, because this server starts to be literally impossible to play on with its overzealous moderation that begins to control whether something is in-character for a marine or not. Marines causing trouble are put away by military police, but now it seems that mods are trying to enforce that with bans.

[Felkvir]

No, just putting emphasis on the fact that you're more likely to cause issues if you can't roleplay properly. Y'know ... Moderate level of RP required and all that.

Marine rule 1 and 3 are most relevant to your ban.

You aren't prevented "completely", the initial ban was 2500 minutes

[Sligneris]

Moderate levels of RP? As in, going out to pwn aliums, while any signs of irregularities are bannable? You're really overestimating the regular level of RP on this server.

[Felkvir]

Take it in whatever view you want. People get banned for doing stupid shit and ruining for others. We don't monitor stuff 24/7 ... Difference that matters now, is that we've settled more properly. The offenses were MUCH worse in the past.

[UnknownMurder]

Denied. It's made much clearer sense to me.

You've still broken a rule and was punished accordingly.

DENIED.