Got ban by idiot trial-mod

[laveney]

Beyond ID: Laveney

Character name: William Heisenberg

Admin who banned you: RuffSqwad (Juan Rico)

Initial duration: 4 days (I could swear it was permaban first I seen it, but I got no screenshots so let's say it's 4 days)

Duration remaining: 3.8

Reason for ban: "Griefer"

Your appeal, including evidence (an www.imgur.com album is recommended for multiple screenshots): I closed the window in a burst of anger and rage even when I've noticed I got banned for "griefing", so I don't have any evidence but you guys have logs so you should pretty much know how it went down. Here's the outline:

1. Lag was insane.
2. I missclicked a million of times due to lag (but 999 999 times it was absolutely harmless missclicks).
3. I DNA locked a ripley (I didn't really knew about it, so either I did it cause of lag or I don't really know why, it's not a big deal either way as I pretty much always seen exosuites DNA locked, yes it pisses me off when I see it, and I wouldn't do such thing myself intentionally).
4. I used chemistry to cook up potassium-water proximity nades.
5. Lag caused me to tragically missclick and "prime" one. I've tried to defuse it but couldn't and I dropped it telling everyone around to stay away cause it's proxy mine.
6. Someone moved and it detonated, I got into the surgery.
7. After the surgery lovely trial-mod RuffSqwad confonted me about it (why not during? I ahelped him when surgeone tossed me aside and got no answer).
8. I explained to him what happened and he said something along those lines: "Ok, it's cool. I'll give you a warning be more carefull next time"
9. I talked back cause it wasn't my fault that it happened (I said about lag being server issue and really hosts should deal with it).
10. He asked me about exosuit. I said that if I did locked them it wasn't intentionall. He said he doesn't believe me. I said I don't care, cause DNA-locking exosuits isn't a kind of thing that requires moderator attention, let alone something that should be treated with a ban on "perpetrator"... actually I said it in other words... When he said he doesn't believe me I said I don't give a shit. Then he banned me.

What? I get angry when people accuse me of lying when I'm telling the truth. Either way neither DNA-locking exosuit nor dropping a grenade that didn't hurt anyone (even if none of this were accident, wich they were) are bannable offenses. And he knew they aren't. He wasn't about to ban me after either of those, he banned me after I talked back to him. That's how power-hungry douchebag acts.

[JuanRico]

I received a few ahelps about you griefing with grenades and an exosuit so I investigated: I let you off for throwing that grenade because you blamed lag and I gave you the benefit of the doubt... but then when you were messing around with an exosuit and replying with "No I wasn't" (when the logs showed otherwise) followed by "I don't give a shit" (when questioned) is not the sort of attitude we tolerate hence the 3 day ban.


-ruffsqwad/juan rico

[Feweh]

Alright, I was MP this round and was right beside Med-bay when it exploded.

So there's a couple of issues to start off here.

1. The lag was bad, but I'm struggling to understand why or how you primed a grenade during lag? Planting c4 accidentally during a lag burst is understandable... but why would you possibly be clicking on a grenade other than to arm it.

2. You conducted yourself AWFULLY, you said that JuanRico was going to give you a warning? Which is great, but then you pretty much said "Hey I'm an asshole and decided to argue with him". As quoted by you.. [[I explained to him what happened and he said something along those lines: "Ok, it's cool. I'll give you a warning be more carefull next time" I talked back cause it wasn't my fault that it happened (I said about lag being server issue and really hosts should deal with it). ]]

Why talk back? He dealt with the issue but you decided to be an asshole and give him attitude. I mean really, who's fault was it? You clearly said you armed it, so it is your fault!?

3. The way you conducted yourself after was awful and terrible. You decided the best way to appeal this first was to jump into the forum chat and start calling out Juan Rico. You then further went into his old Staff application thread and started being an asshole in there. THEN you made this appeal and instead of naming it something logical you called it "Idiot Trial Mod".

4. Why the hell were you making high explosive grenades so soon? RP wise this made no sense, the marines had just left briefing and you started producing mass amount of grenades? You didn't even know there were aliens yet and you had already started production. It was clearly a search and rescue mission as stated, so at what point was "Ya we need a lot of explosives to rescue and find the survivors" a reason to produce grenades?

5. Why the hell are you trying to pretend that lag caused you to DNA lock the exo-suit. I really wouldn't care that you DNA locked it because no one really uses the RIPLEYS. I mean really, I checked it out and there's no way you "Accidentally" DNA locked that shit from lag.. why lie again?

In conclusion.

You're an asshole and there's no better way to put it. You have handled this so awfully it's fucking ridiculous.
Instead of just shutting your mouth and making a appeal you pretty much decided "How can I possibly make myself look as bad as possible while appealing"

Juan Rico was going to give you a warning, you decided to be an asshole, you then came on the forums and continued being an asshole. Now you're a appealing a ban which you deserve, while maintaining your assholeness. Honestly, if anything this should be extended.

[laveney]

Ok, I've got enough of this. You deleted my posts in your application thread. I explicitly said many times that I don't care about my ban. I care about ousting you from mod position, cause you're shitty mod. I don't believe anyone would call me griefing as I was telling everyone IC that I dropped the grenade and that they should run (I dunno maybe the situation with exosuit escalated when I was DC'd, btw I was disconnected for several minutes before entire situation happened). You should've either ban me straight away assuming that I lie about grenade and actually did griefed (in the stupidest way of all, dropping grenade at my feet in place I can't exit cause don't have access to the only door out) or don't ban me at all.

That's just obvious why you did it. You did it cause I said "I don't give a shit" to you and you had a banhammer in your hand, so you thought "oh I'll teach this powerless fucker, I'll ban his ass". Since like, idk, january or something, I never seen people on this server banned this way, I'm assuming that it's because Apop and SAS were always very carefull about the choice of mods and rules were constructed in such way that only griefing gets banned. And never would I ever expect to get banned by talking back to mod. After dropping that nade - yes, ok, you can assume it wasn't lag and ban my ass. After me saying "I don't give a shit" to you - no. Never. Not ever. I don't ruin round to anyone by saying that to you, I don't harm any other player in any way by saying it to you. I only harm your ego. You can't make decisions as a mod based on your ego.

[Juninho77]

Ok, I've got enough of this. You deleted my posts in your application thread.

False, I did that.

I think you should really cool down for a bit. Your flamey attitude is not helping anyone, especially you.

[JuanRico]

That's just obvious why you did it. You did it cause I said "I don't give a shit" to you and you had a banhammer in your hand, so you thought "oh I'll teach this powerless fucker, I'll ban his ass". Since like, idk, january or something, I never seen people on this server banned this way, I'm assuming that it's because Apop and SAS were always very carefull about the choice of mods and rules were constructed in such way that only griefing gets banned. And never would I ever expect to get banned by talking back to mod. After dropping that nade - yes, ok, you can assume it wasn't lag and ban my ass. After me saying "I don't give a shit" to you - no. Never. Not ever. I don't ruin round to anyone by saying that to you, I don't harm any other player in any way by saying it to you. I only harm your ego. You can't make decisions as a mod based on your ego.

It's really not, I'm pretty good at distancing myself from getting emotionally or egotistically invested when dealing with issues.

It's simple time management: I had 100 players with myself as the only moderator; I'm receiving several ahelps so I have to handle each one quickly to remove any potential problems for the server as a whole, so when I get around to answering the ones sent to me regarding your behaviour I have to eliminate several possibilities "is he lying?" "does he have previous notes?" "what is his general attitude/behaviour like?" I wasn't going to do more warn you but kicking off for no reason indicated to me you might be a potential problem hence the ban.

Also Pink summed it up better than I could. Ultimately, I don't have any issues with you as a player but you need to be more chill when problems crop up.

[laveney]

Alright, I was MP this round and was right beside Med-bay when it exploded.
why would you possibly be clicking on a grenade other than to arm it.

To put it from my satchel to my pocket.

Why talk back? He dealt with the issue but you decided to be an asshole and give him attitude. I mean really, who's fault was it? You clearly said you armed it, so it is your fault!?

Maybe I'm an asshole. But I wasn't asshole to other players. I wasn't doing unfair shit. Not ever. You can't ban someone for being asshole to bossy trial-mod.

3. The way you conducted yourself after was awful and terrible. You decided the best way to appeal this first was to jump into the forum chat and start calling out Juan Rico. You then further went into his old Staff application thread and started being an asshole in there. THEN you made this appeal and instead of naming it something logical you called it "Idiot Trial Mod".

And? My posts from his application thread were deleted (why? they were on topic).

4. Why the hell were you making high explosive grenades so soon? RP wise this made no sense, the marines had just left briefing and you started producing mass amount of grenades? You didn't even know there were aliens yet and you had already started production. It was clearly a search and rescue mission as stated, so at what point was "Ya we need a lot of explosives to rescue and find the survivors" a reason to produce grenades?

Well, two other researchers were making shitloads of more harmfull grenades. Politrynic and debated on other kinds with kryptobiolin, sulphuric acid, explosive. Actually I only started making grenades after the chem dispenser in rnd was already empty cause of the insane amount of grenades that were created. I took cue from my buddies from the office. I made less than a tenth of the grenades they made and mine were less harmfull and more sensible cause I made proximity mines after I heard on radio that people are setting up FOB.

5. Why the hell are you trying to pretend that lag caused you to DNA lock the exo-suit. I really wouldn't care that you DNA locked it because no one really uses the RIPLEYS. I mean really, I checked it out and there's no way you "Accidentally" DNA locked that shit from lag.. why lie again?

Even if I did locked ripleys on purpose then it doesn't matter. I've seen ripleys locked more often than I've seen them not locked on this server and noone ever got banned cause of it, not even warned. And don't accuse me of lying when you're not certain I lied cause I'll call you a dumb cunt that should've died back in your mother's womb. That's pretty much as big of an offense to you as you accusing me of lying is to me.

You're an asshole and there's no better way to put it. You have handled this so awfully it's fucking ridiculous.
Instead of just shutting your mouth and making a appeal you pretty much decided "How can I possibly make myself look as bad as possible while appealing"

I don't really care about appeal. I care about injustice. The mod did something bad. He didn't performed his job well. He used his job for personal amusement. He was unfair and he fail to admit being unfair. I'd drop it if he'd admit that he banned me cause he felt like it, not cause he really thought it's the right thing to do at the moment. If this piece of shit admits that he willfully and purposefully conducted injustice I'll drop it. I'm not coming back to CM anyway, cause this types of asshole ruin shit forever.

Juan Rico was going to give you a warning, you decided to be an asshole, you then came on the forums and continued being an asshole. Now you're a appealing a ban which you deserve, while maintaining your assholeness. Honestly, if anything this should be extended.

I don't care if it is extended. All I want is for Rico to get sacked from Mod job. He makes decisions based on his emotions rather than based on his mind.

[laveney]

I have to eliminate several possibilities "is he lying?"

Was I?

"does he have previous notes?"

Did I? Did I had any previous notes? Cause I was around for a long time. Not really keeping up with the forums, rather laying low but still. And if I made zero troubles for months upon months of presence on this server what is the possibility of me making any trouble in the future?

"what is his general attitude/behaviour like?"

And? You didn't noticed I was fixing the stuff you held against me? Unlocking ripley for instance. Being nice to LO. That's a bad attitude for you? I was only asshole towards you and that's because you were asshole towards me first.

"what is his general attitude/behaviour like?"

I wasn't going to do more warn you but kicking off for no reason indicated to me you might be a potential problem hence the ban.[/quote]

You could've slay. Or could've admit that you were wrong after you already did this. Maybe you didn't knew better then but you should know better now. Noone gets this pissed for being fairly punished.

Also Pink summed it up better than I could. Ultimately, I don't have any issues with you as a player but you need to be more chill when problems crop up.

Nope. I'm chill in general but when people start being unfair to me on purpose I go balistic. And I don't differ this things. I don't care where injustice happens and over what. I just don't accept it. I react the same wheter it's the bullshit ban in shitty game or unsubstantiated criminal accusation irl. I'm not gonna let this go untill justice is done.

[laveney]

Juninho let me quote: "If you would permaban a player, you owe it to him to look into his logs and hear his side of the story. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the player does not deserve to be banned."

Read your own sig, don't take away my freedom of speech. I was right to say it. I said it in right place. I want him to stop being mod here. Not because I'm mad at him (that too) but because he's not fit to be mod. He bans people on a whim.

[Butterrobber202]

Ok. For 1 I wasn't there but, your attitude is pretty bad. From a Third Party Standpoint you... Well You really look bad. First of Locking a Mech is a Mouse controlled thing, your mouse isn't affected by CM lag... Or Internet lag at all. And if there is 1 thing I hate, Angry Players screaming 'INJUSTICE SACK THIS FUCKER HE BANNED ME FO NU RESON'

1.) He is a Staff Member. They are to be treated Kindly and Calmly. This is enforced by Rule 8 http://cm-ss13.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1363

2.) If you have been here for so Long, you should know how to put stuff in your pockets. And your Backpack. And Your Belt.

3.) You are (I mention again) being very Rude. They is another guy we PERMABANNED for this kind of Stuff. His BYOND Key is TheBloodGod

4.) I dunno about your Logs, but where is your proof they didnt look at them?

[LordeKilly]

You weren't permabanned, you were issued a 4 day ban for plenty of reasons that caused you to ruin a round. I honestly thought this application was a joke until reading other's responses. I'm going to give this a big -1, you deserve it in my opinion, if you can blame each of those on, "lag," something is not right. You don't magically set off bombs and DNA locks do not appear out of thin air.

Another note, when staff talks to you, you should always act nice, even if they come off as a douchebag, a thing i learned from regular servers are that if you're nice, they'll give you less time.

And making to title something like that is making your case worse, if anything, you've proven you need a longer ban.

[laveney]

I guess I really am an asshole. But peolpe shouldn't be banned for being assholes. They usually can't help it. If you're abiding the rules you should be ok. And I was abiding the rules.

[Feweh]

Just incase anyone missed the chat for the past hour with this guy.. a few lovely quotes.


@ laveney - less than a minute ago
So I don’t know... double standards? All of you here are just sad, pathetic, circlejerk idiots. I hope you all die sad and lonely deaths, and as soon as possible. For reals.

@ laveney - less than a minute ago
I’m not talking about my ban here. I’m talking about you being a massive asshole and your mother vagina being hexed by devil to vomit such repulsive spawns like the one you see in a mirror erryday... and you’re the best of the bunch. Pink for that matter is much worse than you, and calling her (yes I know about your sex issues) repulsive vagina-vomits would be a compliment.

@ laveney - less than a minute ago
Typo. I don’t care, get hit by a bus or something - that’s the way it should be. I dunno, it’s not illegal to use loic where I live, maybe I’ll just help the server die... nah too much effort. Pathetic band of losers ain’t worth such effort.

[apophis775]

And Permabanned for super-toxicity. The Toxicity, was the TREMENDOUS SHITFEST he started in the mini-chat.

[Rahlzel]

And now banned from the forums. I guess that settles that.

[apophis775]