Mech-related ban

[SASoperative]

This is why I hate it when people make posts on these things, While me or Lucy are actually investigating something a bunch of people who should not even be here adding things. I have looked over what he said and I have looked over the logs.... This ban has been lifted by me given the reasoning he has given and the logs I have seen state pretty much everything he has said has been spot on accurate.

[cylian]

This is why I hate it when people make posts on these things, While me or Lucy are actually investigating something a bunch of people who should not even be here adding things.

This is the exact reasoning I used by telling admins that they shouldn't be posting stuff when they aren't involved in the other ban appeal but for some reason, It was deemed out of place or even inappropriate for me to do so then.

Also, can I get some kind of explanation as to why Felkvir has this tendency to slam down bans on people without making the slightest bit of contact beforehand? It seems like a massive waste of time for both me and the other administrative staff to constantly have to dillydally around with appeals and investigate over 250 things every time just because someone didn't spend a couple of seconds asking a question or two. He also didn't seem to bother leaving a single reply in this thread which is just strange behavior for an admin as he issued the ban.

P.S Ban don't seem to be lifted yet

[SASoperative]

It does not seem lifted yet? I will check that out again than... OH WAIT is your BYOND ID Coeco?

[Lucyz]

Nope his ckey is cylian

[cylian]

It does not seem lifted yet? I will check that out again than... OH WAIT is your BYOND ID Coeco?

Still not lifted and as mentioned in OP, my ID is Cylian.

[Felkvir]

Okay first off, his ID is not Cylian. Your forum name is Cylian apparently. I did not ban 'Cylian'. This is the key i banned https://gyazo.com/35b339fcf40b70ffe2f5e8f472ad83ba

1. I was NEVER warned by an admin to not use or create Ripleys for the intent of combat. The only COMPLAINTS i received was from an uninformed commander, trying to steal my property by using the military police.

2. The people I killed was in 100% self defense. They were all actively trying to gun both my mechs down and/or my person. I was shot 2-3 times in the chest, including by a military police WITH A LETHAL FIREARM WITHOUT THE SULACO BEING BOARDED. The other offenders also included marines and even a medic, trying to gun me down and powergaming as military police as I did not threaten them in the slightest before they went guns blazing with zero questions asked beforehand.

3. The ban was applied IN THE MIDDLE of a conversation I was having with Coroneljones explaining the reason as to why Ripleys can't be used for combat, and that reason is due to lore which i now know, which is NOT listed in the server rules and only made further confusing with science's ability to procure and add combat utilities onto said Ripley platforms (which can also be built).

4. I did not have a single conversation with Felkvir before he suddenly dropped said ban and the offending mechs were all deleted by the admins. The ban was applied literally 5-10 minutes later with no word from Felkvir.

You were pretty much told by at least 5 or so people IC'ly at first to stop using the Ripleys, that are in fact used for CARGO and not combat operations which SEVERAL people explained. The commander in question ordered you to stop, albeit you were a researcher at the time. As in .. Not a roboticist. Let me copy something directly from our wiki "Your job is to research and develop new technology in the science lab, study anything xenobiological, and create chemicals for the medical staff and grenades for the marines.". I.E. Ripleys are not new technology, there wouldn't be a need for a researcher to fucking MASS PRODUCE WEAPONIZED ripleys and line them up in the hangar, for then to ACTIVELY RESIST both MPs and marines trying to stop you.

You were told constantly OVER AND OVER BOTH IN IC AND ADMIN ANNOUNCEMENTS AND YET YOU IGNORED EVERY VALID ARGUMENT EVEN WHEN EXPLAINED TO BY AN ADMIN. There was no middle of the conversation here, you actively fucked around with the round so badly for marines at that point and we tried to explain to you why you couldn't do it. I did tell you myself to not ramble on about non-existent lore but you continued to ignore what we told you regardless, and caused 3 suggestions alone to remove/limit ripleys as the aftermath of that. You have been going back and forth needlessly with both me and several staff before, over the smallest fucking shit. You nitpick and bring up illogical arguments to the point where it's completely ridiculous. It has been noted that you adopt your own view so i will not make an effort to fuel a conversation that goes nowhere.

I'll tell you personally that i do NOT enjoy being lied about. I did talk to you, i'm not sure if you ignored it or something. You also have a massive fucking amount of notes.


EDIT: It appears you do use two ckeys ... These are the notes from your other ckey https://gyazo.com/19559a2e02ff7a8b021d55e1c35e7344 .. Almost as clogged as the first one.

[1138]

MULTIKEYER ALERT! MULTIKEYER ALERT!

[cylian]

Okay first off, his ID is not Cylian. Your forum name is Cylian apparently. I did not ban 'Cylian'. This is the key i banned https://gyazo.com/35b339fcf40b70ffe2f5e8f472ad83ba

Okay, that is my bad for getting the byond key thing wrong. I sometimes play on my laptop and I have two accounts so my brother and me can play together when he visits to LAN.

You were pretty much told by at least 5 or so people IC'ly at first to stop using the Ripleys

I have brought all of this up in this thread. I'd suggest you read it and the replies. CO/other people is not an admin telling me to stop, thus, It's insubordination according to MARINE LAW. Not SERVER RULES.

that are in fact used for CARGO and not combat operations which SEVERAL people explained.

Also taken up in this thread. RIPLEYS are as far as the code in SS13 concerned, flexible MECH suits that have several attachment slots for several things. Combat oriented things included.

The commander in question ordered you to stop, albeit you were a researcher at the time. As in .. Not a roboticist.

The roboticist role does not exist on the Sulaco. But as the researching role essentially share the workplace with said roboticist on all other servers while having their workplace be named "Science AND DEVELOPMENT", researching the required technologies and building mechs/robots are in their job description.

Let me copy something directly from our wiki "Your job is to research and develop new technology in the science lab

See the fine print here?

study anything xenobiological, and create chemicals for the medical staff and grenades for the marines.". I.E. Ripleys are not new technology

Seriously? EVERYTHING is new technology at the start of every turn for scientists. We have an R&D console and It is our job to figure out how everything works on a technological level to replicate them and access other new things. Saying something is not "new" is just moot.

there wouldn't be a need for a researcher to fucking MASS PRODUCE WEAPONIZED ripleys and line them up in the hangar

I wish there wasn't a need but If you paid any attention to that round, aliens were wrecking the marines on the surface with medical EXPLODING with both critically injured/dead people. Thus, I decided to make mechs to protect lives from RESEARCH I have done, allowing me to do such things.

for then to ACTIVELY RESIST both MPs and marines trying to stop you.

The reasons the MP offered on the time of my arrest were so gut wrenching poor and invalid along with them trying to gun me down, lethal style with marine weapons, as I HAVE ALSO EXPLAINED IN THIS THREAD. READ IT SOMETIME.

You were told constantly OVER AND OVER BOTH IN IC AND ADMIN ANNOUNCEMENTS

IC announcements by the misinformed commander, yes. IC announcements from the commander is IC. Not OOC. And Admin announcement? Hmm, nope. Only one at the end while I was in the process of being killed just to have the mechs later be deleted and have my person be teleported out of one. It was an issue that was currently being discussed with another admin at this point, (AKA Coroneljones) and you decided to instead of waiting or ask a question or two, ban me without saying a single word.

AND YET YOU IGNORED EVERY VALID ARGUMENT EVEN WHEN EXPLAINED TO BY AN ADMIN.

Nope. This is a downright lie as can be seen by SASOperative checking logs and confirming everything I have said. I suggest you do your homework as well before coming in here to rant.

There was no middle of the conversation here, you actively fucked around with the round so badly for marines at that point

http://puu.sh/jE8KG/76c3aabaff.png

Wrong. Do your homework.

and we tried to explain to you why you couldn't do it. I did tell you myself to not ramble

The only messages you ever sent me was childish and mindless SPAM, butting in on the conversation I was having with Coroneljones, ranting on how I should "mentioning nonexistant lore".

on about non-existent lore but you continued to ignore what we told you regardless, and caused 3 suggestions alone to remove/limit ripleys as the aftermath of that.

And do you know why these suggestions were made? Because THERE ARE NO PROPER COMBAT MECHS OR EXPLANATIONS IN YOUR RULES THAT RIPLEYS CAN'T BE USED FOR SUCH PURPOSES.

You have been going back and forth needlessly with both me and several staff before, over the smallest fucking shit.

Needlessly? Need I remind you of the previously catastrophic communications failures your staff has been having in terms of handling bans and informing people? Your job is to help so I suggest you get over the facts that some admins have different information. For example: http://puu.sh/jAjWd/131107944e.png

You nitpick and bring up illogical arguments to the point where it's completely ridiculous.

They're so illogical, yet I alone am responsible for pointing out logical fallacies in your ruleset AND GETTING THEM CHANGED AS A RESULT. I have had previous experiences with your staff that are sometimes downright misinformative in terms of questions being answered so I am being thorough by having discussions. If you can't handle this, then I suggest not butting into conversations I have with other admins and continue ignoring me like you have been doing for ages now.

It has been noted that you adopt your own view so i will not make an effort to fuel a conversation that goes nowhere.

You say this without irony with all the previous text in this reply, ranting your brains off on how I'm so illogical, yet such illogical rantings have gotten your rulesets adjusted and clarified? I even had a conversation with the co-host regarding some rules for scientist and he admitted me creating good and logical points.

I'll tell you personally that i do NOT enjoy being lied about. I did talk to you

As I said, the ONLY talking you did to me that round was this childish spam: http://puu.sh/jFMNj/e4944b6289.png

i'm not sure if you ignored it or something.

And I'm not sure whether you ignored this entire thread and every single reply in it?

You also have a massive fucking amount of notes.

Completely irrelevant because as we have already clarified at this point, I did not break a single rule with this false ban that you applied to me.

EDIT: It appears you do use two ckeys ... These are the notes from your other ckey https://gyazo.com/19559a2e02ff7a8b021d55e1c35e7344 .. Almost as clogged as the first one.

Lets see..

1. First time playing and shortcutted words aren't allowed. Okay, fair enough even though I saw dozens of people doing it prior.

2 & 3. Mass-fire incidents have been resolved and the cause of it was me being griefed and the atmos being buggy garbage. I was unbanned nigh instantly following my appeal, making the note be completely false and I am quite shocked that they're not removed yet.

4. I misunderstood how your server handle titles in names as it needs to be specific 'word' between a first and last name. Very poorly explained in the rules and Mordrehei agreed on me saying this, surprised he made a note at all.

5. A note added by apop, admitting to be pissed at the time while also having this entire guideline not be in: Any medical guidelines or: Your rules. Go figure. The entirety of this can be seen laid out clear as ice to demonstrate how illogical It all is in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=3276

Before It was "Unofficially denied/semi-denied" and locked down before even giving people a chance to discuss it. The few people who did manage to leave comments agreed to it. Quite ironic considering apop told me himself to go and create a forum post about it as I was banned for trying to discuss it with him in-game.

[cylian]

MULTIKEYER ALERT! MULTIKEYER ALERT!

.. Do you even know what multikeying is?

1. I did in no way fake to be another person.

2. I did in no way play with two characters or use two accounts in one round.

3. I did in no way use any OOC information to my advantage.

[1138]

Nope, but it makes the implication you're attempting to circumvent the ban.

Hell no, SAS is gonna get around to this and definitely change his mind, friend-o. You got a couple hours.

[Felkvir]

Before you clog this even more, could you remake your entire reply to me in a manner that is non-painful to read ...

[cylian]

Nope, but it makes the implication you're attempting to circumvent the ban.

..What? How am I trying to circumvent the ban by giving him my wrong Id when trying to get UNBANNED for being BANNED in the first place for breaking zero rules?

[cylian]

Before you clog this even more, could you remake your entire reply to me in a manner that is non-painful to read ...

It is a line for line quotes being responded to and clarified. If reading is too hard for you, I suggest you stop trying to bicker and rant about things that already exists to be discussed and clarified in this thread.

[coroneljones]

As for the converstation,it was only to tell you that you SHOULDNT USE CARGO MECHS for combat
Felk was handling the ban while i simple talked to you in the mean time.

[cylian]

As for the converstation,it was only to tell you that you SHOULDNT USE CARGO MECHS for combat

Which I did not get a single PM about in the previous round that looked like this: http://puu.sh/jDHpv/215473540a.png

While also having not a single line be said about it in any guidelines or rules, WHILE ALSO being banned in the middle of a conversation about it.

See the problem here?

[Felkvir]

It is a line for line quotes being responded to and clarified. If reading is too hard for you, I suggest you stop trying to bicker and rant about things that already exists to be discussed and clarified in this thread.

You are making no effort to properly gather a single coherent reply, if you are incapable of this then i don't see any reason to reply ... I mean, you are no different here than you are in-game. Which is not a good thing. You continue trying to pick apart what we say, now having no regard for how you even conduct yourself and you accuse me of bickering and ranting? You're obnoxious. You say we have fallacies and faults in various things yet you make no attempt at all to adapt or even understand things that ARE clearly defined.

Here's a tip; stop being so eccentric. Conduct yourself calmly, cooperate with staff and take into consideration what other people say for once.

[cylian]

You are making no effort to properly gather a single coherent reply

Kindly point out a single example of my previous reply to you that you consider incoherent.

if you are incapable of this then i don't see any reason to reply

Yeah, who needs responsibilities as an administrator, banning someone for breaking zero rules.

... I mean, you are no different here than you are in-game

We have never had any player interactions between us so I think you are trying to refer to me OOC on the server. And why would I be?

You continue trying to pick apart what we say

Because maybe. Just maybe now. You're wrong, lying or saying controversial things?

now having no regard for how you even conduct yourself and you accuse me of bickering and ranting?

You just spent a great deal of effort in your last reply, dropping F-bombs like syllables and using all caps in more than half of your words just to accuse me being the one of bad conduct? What's that H word again..

You're obnoxious. You say we have fallacies and faults in various things yet you make no attempt at all to adapt or even understand things that ARE clearly defined.

Again, you are more than free to point out a single incoherent in my other reply and I will gladly explain it further to you. Failure to do so however is on you. Furthermore, I just clarified in my previous reply that your server rules AREN'T VERY CLEARLY DEFINED. That is why you people are having so much trouble communicating and managing bans. I have done my outmost to help you put them straight but all I have gotten in reply is hostility like this.

Here's a tip; stop being so eccentric

Right.. An admin that bans someone from a game for breaking ZERO server rules is now accusing that individual of being "eccentric" and "having bad conduct" while you are the only one swearing. Ah, that's right. Hypocrite was the H word i was looking for.

Conduct yourself calmly, cooperate with staff and take into consideration what other people say for once.

You're the one dropping the F-bomb here while banning people (that have not broken any rules here) while also refusing to even reply to forum posts here buddy. Not me.

[Lucyz]

So you use two byond accounts who both have far too many notes/bans, all together let me see how many exactly.. 14 notes in total combined from the two accounts most of which are bans. I didn't know you were coeco and you pretty much have hidden the fact that you use two ckeys so that is something to take into consideration, SAS can make the final decision on this as he was the one who approved the permanent ban request on coeco.

[cylian]

So you use two byond accounts who both have far too many notes/bans and in total two accounts most of which are bans.

I just went through these said notes and in total, we have me using shortcut words or "leet speak" in a very stressful situation during my first what, hours on the server, with people pushing me around, causing people to die in medical.. Then we have the atmos incidents where i was not at fault by getting griefed with a buggy atmos and unbanned accordingly, then i was misinformed on how titles in names are formed by your rules and finally apop getting pissed because i went down as a sulaco doctor with surgical equipment on the first drop, Which is NOT against the rules or explained anywhere to be bad.

I didn't know you were coeco and you pretty much have hidden the fact that you use two ckeys

No. I really haven't because noone has asked me it. Furthermore, If you've would have done any research into the matter, you would have realized that I have a donation thread pending that was posted 2-3 hours before the first post made here by Felkvir which includes my email, that has COECO in it. Any and all statements trying to imply that I am hiding it is bologne.

And as I also previously explained:

1. I did in no way fake to be another person.

2. I did in no way play with two characters or use two accounts in one round.

3. I did in no way use any OOC information to my advantage.

Donation thread can be found here: http://cm-ss13.com/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=3527

[SASoperative]

Alright than my staff have come forth with new information, Because apparently they came forth with me saying that your BYOND ID was at the time of your ban Coeco, not Cylian. Which interests me as now this falls a bit out of my grasp on if I can really lift this without some assistance from Apop or something, For now I am postponing the lift for the ban and I will get Apop's opinion in this matter because I honestly do not want to go down the road of my staff yelling at me again. Apop has been linked this appeal and will deliver final judgement.

[coroneljones]

Still not lifted and as mentioned in OP, my ID is Cylian.

I see that you didnt say that the ban was placed under the Ckey Coeco,you said Cylian

[apophis775]

Your way too toxic of a player, and you turn everything into giant shitfests.

You've done shit before, which has resulted in changes to the rules because of your rules-lawyering and your shit reasons to try and slip around them. Rules that everyone else understood and have never had to be enforced the same way on anyone else. Also, your argue with staff on the server, which is ridiculous for you to even THINK we have the time to babysit you and listen to your extended arguements. I remember you argued with me for around 40 minutes when I was the only staff online, and trying to manage the other 90 players. Not to mention, you were told, after your last superscience bullshit, that you'd get a perma if you killed anyone with superscience again.

You are NOT allowed to kill marines, even in self defense. doing so, negates your ability to get admin action on your behalf. Admin action in this case, would be getting this ban from you murdering people lifted.

Also, 2 keys? I honestly doubt you have 2 keys so your "brother" can play, and that you "accidently" played on his. That's a fairly common excuse.

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