Mech-related ban

[cylian]

Beyond ID: cylian

Character name: Zane 'Metal' Pratt

Admin who banned you: Felkvir

Initial duration: 8000 minutes

Duration remaining: 8000 minutes

Reason for ban: "Sparked a manhunt and killed marines in self defense while creating Ripleys to be used in combat"

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An absolute bologne ban. I was in the middle of talking with CoronelJones about the application of the flexible mech platforms known as Ripleys and how they can and can't be used for combat when Felkvir suddenly dropped this massive ban on me with zero warning beforehand. There's just so much wrong with this thing, I'm gonna have to list it.

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1. I was NEVER warned by an admin to not use or create Ripleys for the intent of combat. The only COMPLAINTS i received was from an uninformed commander, trying to steal my property by using the military police.

2. The people I killed was in 100% self defense. They were all actively trying to gun both my mechs down and/or my person. I was shot 2-3 times in the chest, including by a military police WITH A LETHAL FIREARM WITHOUT THE SULACO BEING BOARDED. The other offenders also included marines and even a medic, trying to gun me down and powergaming as military police as I did not threaten them in the slightest before they went guns blazing with zero questions asked beforehand.

3. The ban was applied IN THE MIDDLE of a conversation I was having with Coroneljones explaining the reason as to why Ripleys can't be used for combat, and that reason is due to lore which i now know, which is NOT listed in the server rules and only made further confusing with science's ability to procure and add combat utilities onto said Ripley platforms (which can also be built).

4. I did not have a single conversation with Felkvir before he suddenly dropped said ban and the offending mechs were all deleted by the admins. The ban was applied literally 5-10 minutes later with no word from Felkvir.

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EDIT: There are three given reasons for this ban. As many seem utterly confused as to why this is being appealed, I am going to list the given reasons and explain.


REASON 1: SPARKED A MANHUNT This so called "Manhunt" is the result of a ROLEPLAY BASED disagreement between the CO and the scientist department about what Ripleys are and what they should be used for. The CO has IN CHARACTER, gone out of his way to wrongly define them as strict "powerloaders" or "cargo mechs" when this is simply not true as their exosuit is a flexible platform, much like an operating system that has things on it. MARINE LAWS were the only thing broken. NOT SERVER RULES.


REASON 2: KILLING SEVERAL MARINES This was all done in a 100% legitimate self-defense scenarios. They are the aggressors of lethal force towards my person and thus, ACCORDING TO THE RULES, I either have the option to be passive, call an admin and wait for assistance OR RETURN LETHAL FORCE ON THE THREAT TO MY LIFE/EXISTANCE. MARINE LAWS were the only thing broken. NOT SERVER RULES.


REASON 3: IGNORED THE "FACT" THAT RIPLEYS ARE POWERLOADERS I did not ignore ANYONE but the commander, which is INSUBORDINATION. MARINE LAWS were the only thing broken. NOT SERVER RULES. Discussion/Conversation with administrative staff that was in the process of explaining UNLISTED LORE REASONS for this WRONGFUL DEFINITION OF RIPLEYS was underway before the ban was placed. Furthermore, RIPLEYS are by DEFINITION, Flexible MECHANICAL EXOSUITS that have ATTACHMENTS to complete certain tasks. Loading is one of them, MINING/DRILLING IS AN OTHER FOR EXAMPLE.

[Potatohboi]

You killed Jamison Stamos with poly acid.

[cylian]

You killed Jamison Stamos with poly acid.

I sure did after he trespassed into science, ignored me stating the fact that the situation was being talked over with an admin and proceeded to try and arrest me with a shotgun in hand. He turned his death into an IC issue by ignoring the information I provided to him through OOC and refusing to even wait until the talk I was having with the admin was over.

[Kilm]

I sure did after he trespassed into science, ignored me stating the fact that the situation was being talked over with an admin and proceeded to try and arrest me with a shotgun in hand. He turned his death into an IC issue by ignoring the information I provided to him through OOC and refusing to even wait until the talk I was having with the admin was over.

So you killed him when all he was doing was trying to arrest you?

I had it - I tried to drag someone, didn't realise they were badly injured, started to pick him up and then someone else started punching me and hitting me. People in this game are pricks. Best thing you can do is just take it IC. As soon as you retaliate then you become part of the problem too.

[Sgtkumar]

I was the medic during that round. I saw you, in a mech, kill a fellow marine without any provocation on his part (as far as I could see) I yelled freeze and when you attempted to run, I opened fire with my dinky SMG like a good trooper. You then turned and killed me in 3 hits from that damn mech. The only reason anyone confronted you was because there was a STANDING ORDER from command that we were not to use the mechs and to not let any on the shuttle. As a victim, I would like this ban to stay in place. As an outside observer to the entire thing, I'd say this is justified as even the admins went so far as to make an admin announcement about it.

[LordeKilly]

This is not the first time you've violated the rules. Currently, you've got a page of notes, all of which aren't good. I warned you not to kill people with poly acid yesterday, didn't even drop a ban on you, and then today you come around, I hear you did it again, and this time you're starting shit.

I'm going with -1. This isn't hippie, you can't do that shit here.

[cylian]

So you killed him when all he was doing was trying to arrest you?

The only intentions I saw from him was the shotgun in his hand and the fact that he busted into my workplace.

[cylian]

I was the medic during that round. I saw you, in a mech, kill a fellow marine without any provocation on his part (as far as I could see)

See the problem here?

I yelled freeze

Thanks for admitting to powergaming by trying to be military police.

and when you attempted to run

Run? You're the one that started running away, trying to kite me while emptying an entire mag in my direction

I opened fire with my dinky SMG like a good trooper you then turned and killed me in 3 hits from that damn mech.

Oh dang. I got killed when trying to blaze down a mech that did me no harm whatsoever.

The only reason anyone confronted you was because there was a STANDING ORDER from command

Said command had already been proven to be moronic by issuing contradicting orders and being completely misinformed on just what a Ripley is which I tried explaining in radio chat just to be threatened with death/arrest if i "kept talking".

As a victim, I would like this ban to stay in place.

You are only victim to your own actions. If you don't want to get wrecked by a mech, DON'T EMPTY YOUR MAG INTO ONE THAT DID YOU NO PROVOCATIVE ACTION.

the admins went so far as to make an admin announcement about it

The only announcements made were from the commander. Not the admins. Get your facts straight.

[Kilm]

I saw three commands from CO stating if the Mechs were used for combat asses would be kicked. I can see now what he was referring to!

[cylian]

This is not the first time you've violated the rules.

Incidentally, I did not break any server rules with this ban. Please do your homework before accusing people.

Currently, you've got a page of notes, all of which aren't good.

Yeah, I've had plenty of you admins completely ignoring contact and resorting to adding notes instead of conversing or having a discussion. My favorite one is where I was marked as "Rude" for pointing out an illogical fallacy in your ruleset which has now been changed and the only explanation I got as to why I was called "rude" was because an opinion was formed that judged me as having a "lawyer" attitude for defending myself in the context of receiving accusations.

I warned you not to kill people with poly acid yesterday, didn't even drop a ban on you.

And we talked about that quite thoroughly, coming to the conclusion that I was being griefed by my co-worker, ruining my creations and completely ignoring my pleads for him to stop. I even asked for adminhelp previously of this and got zero response which is why I 'killed' him and immediately put his body into the cloner 2 seconds later.

and then today you come around, I hear you did it again, and this time you're starting shit.

'Starting shit' Really? Did you even read the OP or the replies? He TRESPASSED into Science, with a shotgun in hand, completely ignoring my statements about the situation being an admin issue and currently being talked about. He was trying to take me out of the round permanently and I resorted to self defense.

I'm going with -1. This isn't hippie, you can't do that shit here.

If you don't want people to produce mechs and arm them with combat accessories, you PROBABLY SHOULDN'T MAKE THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE IN THE EXOSUIT & SCIENCE CONSOLES. I mean holy hell, It's not even mentioned ONCE in your rules and yet here you are, trying to drop "-1"'s?

[Kilm]

I'm going with -1. This isn't hippie, you can't do that shit here.

If you don't want people to produce mechs and arm them with combat accessories, you PROBABLY SHOULDN'T MAKE THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE IN THE EXOSUIT & SCIENCE CONSOLES. I mean holy hell, It's not even mentioned ONCE in your rules and yet here you are, trying to drop "-1"'s?

I'm only in here because I'm dead IC, but regardless if it's in the build menu or not, the CO pretty much said they weren't to be used three times over main channel. That's good enough for me.

-1

[LordeKilly]

Alright, we did not come to the conclusion that you were being griefed, we came to the conclusion that you don't kill people if you're a scientist. The rules you broke relevant to this ban was the first one. I could care less that you used ripleys, but the fact that you continued doing shit that I specifically said not to do pisses me off. Don't twist my words. Since you know the rules so well, you should know FIGHTING BACK IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO KILL YOU MAKES YOU AT FAULT STILL.

I stand with my -1.

[cylian]

I'm only in here because I'm dead IC, but regardless if it's in the build menu or not, the CO pretty much said they weren't to be used three times over main channel. That's good enough for me.

Oh boy, where do I begin.

1. CO is not admin. CO is CO.

2. The total gathered list of reasons they were trying to arrest me to begin with was "Neglect of Duty" while "Insubordination" was slapped on later. I have fulfilled every single request that was ever made to Science that round while also researching every possible science level and building an army of mech as marines were being slaughtered on the ground. Insubordination was as i said, also slapped on as I asked as to why the MP was trying to arrest me in the first place and refusing them to steal all my property until I got an explanation which they didn't care to give.

3. Any and all deaths, even this entire mech situation is an INGAME ISSUE ACCORDING TO MARINE LAW. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to start throwing bans as no actual rules were broken.

[cylian]

Alright, we did not come to the conclusion that you were being griefed

That would be a conclusion that you drew and because you (like so many other admins) suddenly stopped replying later, there was no more explanation or elaboration to be had about the situation so assumptions would have to be made instead.

we came to the conclusion that you don't kill people if you're a scientist.

On the contrary, only the CMO and Sulaco Doctors are explicitly forbidden to actually kill anyone. Not scientists. Read the rules please.

The rules you broke relevant to this ban was the first one.

Need I repeat myself? The commander is not an admin. The commander is the commander. Disobeying his command is insubordination if you don't have another superior officer. Not rule-breaking.

I could care less that you used ripleys, but the fact that you continued doing shit that I specifically said not to do pisses me off.

If you want to really enforce someone to stop in an OOC capacity, you ADMIN PM THEM. NOT SPAM GLOBAL ANNOUNCEMENTS AND THREATS OF IC "ASS KICKINGS".

Don't twist my words.

No words to twist as my pleas for adminhelp was ignored and you cut contact/stopped replying shortly after.

Since you know the rules so well, you should know FIGHTING BACK IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO KILL YOU MAKES YOU AT FAULT STILL.

Right. Since you want to do it this way:
"Admin assistance - Defined as any action taken by an Admin to heal or aid in a player's negative state.
The bottom line: If you use lethal force, you're on your own, even if you're defending yourself.
If you attack a marine using lethal force, you immediately forfeit admin assistance."

I stand with my -1.

Of course you do. You just admitted to having yourself being ruled by emotions instead of logic and rules. I wouldn't expect anything more.

[coroneljones]

-1
You kept insisting "WE CAN DO IT SINCE IT CAN BE BUILT" while i kept saying no,you kept saying "the ripley is a multi platform mech"....even after i said time after time,CARGO POWER LOADER
On another note,i told EVERYONE that they shouldnt use ripleys as combat mechs before i talked to you.....an announcement
Another that i noted you saying,the commander taking your property? My friend,you dont own anything on the ship minus your own body or anything that you took before duty,the ripley is marine property,same with the research machinery.

[cylian]

You kept insisting "WE CAN DO IT SINCE IT CAN BE BUILT" while i kept saying no

That was the first MINUTE of our conversation. Do you seriously not remember the rest?

you kept saying "the ripley is a multi platform mech"

It is a multi-platform mechanized walking construction BY DEFINITION, while also evidenced by It's 3 ADAPTER slots for various tools and functions, some of which can only see contributions from COMBAT. All which are allowed in the machines and can be fully built on your server. You may disallow them through lore and balance reasons but you can't change the fact of what they really are.

even after i said time after time,CARGO POWER LOADER

That saying was only stated by the commander announcement and It is a misinformed one as I tried explaining, but only got death and arrest threats in response.

i told EVERYONE that they shouldnt use ripleys as combat mechs before i talked to you.....an announcement

The only announcement I saw from you as an ADMIN announcement was in the middle of self-defense. After that, they were promptly deleted, I was teleported out of one and they were never seen again as we begain talking about the issue and forcing you to explain to me that they are not allowed according to INVISIBLE lore. Again, our conversation was cut extremely short by this ban but as I have stated, none of this was in your server rules and thus, It's not really something I can be blamed for.

Another that i noted you saying,the commander taking your property?

The commander was not directly trying to take it. The MP was.

My friend,you dont own anything on the ship minus your own body or anything that you took before duty,the ripley is marine property,same with the research machinery.

Did I do all the research? Yes.

Did I build all the machinery? Yes.

Did I order all the materials required to build them? Yes.

Did I alone build them with my own knowledge, time, effort and personal capacity? Yes.

Were they all bound to MY DNA, Which is MY BODY? Yes.

Can argue about the specifics of this all day but the point is moot regardless as the CO did not even bother saying ANYTHING to my face and instead spammed the radio with threats like a child that deserves a good, hard mutiny.

[Lucyz]

Okay I have read everything so just to confirm cylian you were basically doing a mutiny against command correct?

[coroneljones]

Even if it was mutiny he needed 5 other marines to agree and join him....

Also non existant lore?
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Caterpillar_P ... ork_Loader

[Lucyz]

Yep which is why I asked.

[cylian]

Okay I have read everything so just to confirm cylian you were basically doing a mutiny against command correct?

No, I was not doing a mutiny. I just made the observation that one was deserved in retrospect. I never even hinted towards one IC because there was way too many people trying to downright kill me for little to no reason for me to even begin trying to create one. As the issue was spiraling out of control with people downright ignoring the fact that I was conversing to admins about it, I killed myself and ghosted, permanently removing myself from the round as I was talking to coroneljones about it before being banned for breaking MARINE LAW by Felkvir who did not bother contacting me or asking any questions prior.

[cylian]

Also non existant lore?

I was referring to the lore specific to the server, but If you want to get to specifics, Ripleys are not actual "Caterpillar P-5000"'s. They are if anything, unexplained and improvised look-alikes. Even then with this lore you gave me from the Aliens franchise, this very powerloader was the very thing that HELPED HUMANS KILL THE ALIEN QUEEN.

[Potatohboi]

I'm gonna post again,but with more details,i was working at the lab with you,when stamos (MP) came to arrest you with an taser gun,then you grabbed a CHEM SPRAYER and sprayed acid on him,then stamos grabbed an lethal firearm to protect himself,then you did proceed to kill Stamos,for no reason.

[Infernus]

Fun fact. He did have a shotgun, but MPs start with beanbags loaded in them. So he basically performed non lethal arrest and you shot him dead.

[cylian]

Fun fact. He did have a shotgun, but MPs start with beanbags loaded in them. So he basically performed non lethal arrest and you shot him dead.

Fun fact. I had two previous MP officers try to gun me down with very real bullets minutes beforehand using very real marine intended weapons. You would know this If you read the OP and replies in this thread.

[cylian]

I'm gonna post again,but with more details,i was working at the lab with you,when stamos (MP) came to arrest you with an taser gun,then you grabbed a CHEM SPRAYER and sprayed acid on him,then stamos grabbed an lethal firearm to protect himself,then you did proceed to kill Stamos,for no reason.

Stop spitting bullshit. He had a shotgun in hand from square one. Not a taser. The shotgun in hand is literally the only reason I resorted to lethal. If I thought that he was different from the other cops that tried to downright murder me any chance they got, I would have used chloral hydrate instead of poly acid.

Eitherway, I warned him extensively in OOC to either WAIT or BACK OFF as I was talking about an admin in regards to what happened and he said he didn't give a f*ck so i fought for my life and neutralized the threat the only way I could. Then again, this ban has no relation to that specific incident because the only death related reason given was for me killing the marines, and they shot me first clear as day with one of them even admitting to doing so in this very thread, thus powergaming as an MP when playing as a marine.