Bill Carson - Ban Appeal

[Fitchace]

Beyond ID: Fitchace

Character name: Bill Carson

Admin who banned you: apophis775

Initial duration: 2 days

Duration remaining: 2 days

Reason for ban: Griefing - Sabotaged T-comms as the W-Y Rep. Permaban job for W-Y Liaison

Your appeal, including evidence (an http://www.imgur.com album is recommended for multiple screenshots):

1. Griefing - Defined as the perceived intent of one player wanting to cause grief to other players or to the server without any role play or reason. The emphasis is on "intent"

Explanation of the accused griefing act: I sabotaged T - comms due to the planet side situation operation going poorly 2 hours from round start. My goal was to force a planet side evacuation, which did work. My overall plan was to have the USCM send reinforcements due to the crippling effect on the Sulaco. To call this griefing is incorrect because there was reason and role play with this action. It was not a random act of immature destruction. I was told that it ruined the round, but why should communication failure need to ruin a round? It introduces a new dimension of role play and decision making. Maybe many players Ahelped and complained? I'm sorry but why should I be banned from many complaints even though I was acting within the official server rules as of September 6th.

2. W-Y Job Ban

I am assuming that the reason I was job banned was because of the job I had at the time of my accused griefing. On many accounts I have had players say how well I play the role was W-Y liaison. I do not understand the correlation with the job ban and server ban, or why the job ban had to be added.

3 Conclusion: Admins please reconsider this decision. I would like my 2 day ban and perma job ban lifted. I searched and I don't see any rules against what I did. That being said, now I am aware that T-Comms or any type of station interface must not be sabotaged because that effects player role play negatively and will not effect those again.

[Feweh]

You do play a good WY Liasion usually, however without admin approval sabotaging Sulaco in anyway is a form of griefing.

[Fitchace]

Would you mind helping me find that rule? I only see admin approval is required for a mutiny.

[Jack McIntyre]

I would agree as much as my character in game hates Bill, I will admit he is the perfect WY liason. When you want some good backstabbing and such going on, he is the guy the WY would send in for the job. Granted it sometimes gets him jailed and or shot....ahhh seeing your head on the floor of your office still brings a small smile on my face :P he is a good person in the job. I would at least ask as a player who has had a lot of rp experience with BIll to remove the job ban on the liason for him. Kinda of sad not to see him in a role he excels so well at.

[Feweh]

Would you mind helping me find that rule? I only see admin approval is required for a mutiny.

It's common sense?

When as a Marine or any other job has "Sabotage and blow Sulaco up" ever been allowed or promoted in any sense?

Liaison is no different, Liaison is not a "evil" or antag position. It's simply a heavy RP job that get's benefits for RPing well, there's no free pass that allows them to kill or blow shit up unless a Admin/Mod says so through the fax.

I'm a little annoyed that you're trying to justify your actions now by saying there's no "Written rule" for Liaison's to not do that.

[Adjective]

I was there for this and would like to mention that you didn't just sabotage T-Comms. You went above and beyond by completely dismantling over 8 T-Comm's machines that can only be restored via an admin. You could have just as easily removed the power cell from the APC.

[Fitchace]

@ Pink, I am just trying to justify that what I did was not considered griefing since there was a RP intent to the action.

@Vrai, There was no reason for that to ruin the rp though. If anything it would give MP's something to investigate and a different RP dynamic. However since it was such a negative blow to the rp admins are allowed to fix the sabotaged element. All I am trying to say is that it could have been RPed out and solved, rather than just slapping me with a 2 day ban and perma job ban.

[SASoperative]

There is a such thing as committing grief even while under RP actions. Grief normally categorizes under the act of ruining someone else's round and or committing harm to others without proper reasoning. Basically when you sabotaged T comms you just slaughtered A LOT of marines due to the fact they could not call for assistance or their positions. I am up for lifting the job ban but not the actual ban itself

[Fitchace]

Thank you, I am more interested in the job ban than the ban duration. I appreciate you giving me a 2nd chance at playing the liaison.

[1138]

I'll support the job-ban lift, though not the server ban appeal. If you're tasked to sabotage systems by Wey-yu or to cover up WY's escapades, do it subtly and in a way that doesn't completely fuck the marines on the ground. Cutting power is fine, imo, as long as its reasonably easy to fix.

[Adjective]

I support the job ban lift as well, seeing as you aren't the worst Liason around. But I see where Apophis was coming from, you were making up your own RP without asking the staff online at the time if it was okay -Apophis / Me / Dea.

[Fitchace]

If this is happening, when will I be unbanned from being WY liaison.

[Adjective]

It will happen if a Head or Host decides to do the unban based on Staff or personal opinion.

[apophis775]

It should be COMMON SENSE that you don't sabotage your own ships communication systems. You had a BILLION things you COULD have done that wasn't Shoot your way into the T-comms area and dismantle the t-comms piece by piece.


You are going to need a better arguement than "It's not in the rules so it's Ok" to convince me to lift that job-ban.


Just because something isn't in the rules, doesn't mean you can always do it. you have to THINK about how it affects the rest of the round. Your t-comms bullshit was CRIPPLING to the marines.

[Fitchace]

Will you consider removing the permban and put a time limitation, with a promise that actions of the sort would not happen again.

[apophis775]

I'll tell you what, you seem like it wasn't really "intended" as grief, so I'll remove the permaban on W-Y, but don't sabotage Tcomms again.

[Fitchace]

Thank you I really appreciate it. Won't happen again.

[SASoperative]

This has been resolved and moved.