Ban appeal

RED119 · Post by **RED119** » 12 Oct 2015, 17:00

Byond ID: RED119

Character name: Chad Stephenson

Admin who banned you: coroneljones

Initial duration: 1440min

Duration remaining: 1140min

Reason for ban:: Killed two survivors,one by "accident" and the other "since it doesnt say anywhere in the rules that a survivor cant kill another survivor" and "said survivor was getting suspicious of the player killing the first one".

Your appeal, including evidence (an http://www.imgur.com album is recommended for multiple screenshots): So I joined the round as a survivor, a rare occurrence for anyone. I make haste to gather all the things I can, grenades, shotgun, helmet, and while doing so I bump into another survivor. I tried to instigate conversation but I was mostly ignored so I just followed them around in the nexus area getting stuff. I saw a runner and said it was time to go, we started to leave when I thought I saw a runner and fired my gun, but it hit the fellow survivor. I had seen him pick up several weapons and knew he could kill me so I ran. He was also talking into his headset so I thought he was working with someone else, besides me. I circled around to see if he was still there and found his helmet and a hugger on the ground. I knew the aliens had gotten him and continued working. I then was wondering around engineering and bumped into a fellow survivor. We were getting along fine, i even offered to help him get a battery, but then he said he thought I had his friends vest, and started trying to contact him. I got scared he would find out I shot him, and so I decided to kill him before he could kill me. The admin on the at the time had a strong issue with this, however I don't see really anything wrong.

Survivors are paranoid, and pretty much mentally insane after seeing aliens, this is shown in many comics, games and nearly all depictions of survivors. In alien isolation (only bring it up because it fits within the lore time period you follow) survivors kill each-other to survive many times. I looted the bodies, I didn't just kill them and walk off, I did rp, and it made sense in the situation of a survivor, had I been a marine, yes I should have been banned but a survivor is a different animal. I think the reason I was banned was because some admins expect survivors to all work together to survive. However this is a rp server and that how people react will not always be that simple. People will do crazy things under stress and harsh conditions they would not do otherwise, people snap. Also there are no rules against what I did. As I said to the admin I was talking to under not griefing it says
"◦A distraught Survivor shoots at an approaching marine and runs away."
Im sure you do not need me to quote this as you wrote these rules, but I do not see any difference between shooting a survivor and a marine. Survivors do not know marines are coming, so for all they know they are geared survivors (when seen alone in a group obviously not). Also I was hit by the second survivor BEFORE I shot him, after I fired a warning shot when he tried to contact his friend. He threw the first blow not me. Overall I feel that should you want to limit what survivors can do, with the exception of not camping in places marines will come, you should amend the rules. Also I was accused of killing both of the survivors, I shot one and killed the other AFTER he instigated a fight by attacking me first, I fired a warning shot and was typing a response to tell him to hand over all of his stuff, but he charges me and hits me, no rp whatsoever, charging a man armed with a shotgun, so I shot him and killed him. And then he a-helps me for not role playing, when he tried to attacked an armed gunman.

Full log of round: It is rather lengthy, I will highlight key sections

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Post by **DevilzHand** » 12 Oct 2015, 17:10

What part you didn't highlight is after I got shot in the head you decided to run away from me when you had a advanced medical kit. You could have at least tried to help me. You didn't see paranoid as we talked and in fact from the dialogue you were really nice. We even worked together. I opened up the armory, you and I both got guns and then I got shot near the Quartermaster part of the Nexus.

coroneljones · Post by **coroneljones** » 12 Oct 2015, 17:14

Let me note some details.
You didnt inform me of the runner part,you just said accident
The first guy says you simply shot him and ran off......you could have easily told him it was an accident
Yes survivors are paranoid...but of XENOS,paranoid of the aliens in the dark....
You also didnt say that the other one attacked you,you simply said you shot him since you thought he knew you shot his buddy
And according to the logs.....5 seconds after you shot the first guy you got hit by a screwdriver...5 seconds..or atleast thats what i remember.

RadiantFlash · Post by **RadiantFlash** » 12 Oct 2015, 17:22

RED119 wrote:Byond ID: RED119

" Also I was hit by the second survivor BEFORE I shot him, after I fired a warning shot when he tried to contact his friend. He threw the first blow not me. killed the other AFTER he instigated a fight by attacking me first, I fired a warning shot and was typing a response to tell him to hand over all of his stuff, but he charges me and hits me, no rp whatsoever, charging a man armed with a shotgun, so I shot him and killed him. And then he a-helps me for not role playing, when he tried to attacked an armed gunman.

Full log of round: It is rather lengthy, I will highlight key sections
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The OOC channel has been globally disabled due to round start!
Enjoy the game!You grab the M37 Pump Shotgun with both hands.
Chad Stephenson(as Scientist) says, "Hey"
Axel Strife smashes through the foamed metal.
Axel Strife says, "Hey."
Chad Stephenson(as Scientist) asks, "Who are you?"
Axel Strife asks, "Any idea where I can get a battery?"
Chad Stephenson(as Scientist) says, "Yeah"
Axel Strife says, "Names Axel. Axel Strife."
Chad Stephenson(as Scientist) says, "Science"
Axel Strife smashes through the foamed metal.
Axel Strife puts the crowbar into the tool-belt.
Axel Strife says, "Theres one."
Axel Strife says, "Wait.."
Chad Stephenson(as Scientist) asks, "Whatt are you doing?"
Axel Strife says, "That vest.."
Chad Stephenson(as Scientist) asks, "Hm?"
Axel Strife asks, "I thought felix had that vest?"
Chad Stephenson(as Scientist) asks, "Who is felix?"
You grab the M37 Pump Shotgun with both hands.
Axel Strife says, "Someone else I ran into."
Axel Strife talks into the radio headset
Axel Strife asks, "Felix?"
You fire the M37 Pump Shotgun (Wielded)!
You are now carrying the M37 Pump Shotgun with one hand.
You grab the M37 Pump Shotgun with both hands.
[hr][/hr]
Scientist has been stabbed in the chest with screwdriver by Axel Strife!
Your chest hurts.
Axel Strife misses Scientist with the screwdriver!
You fire the M37 Pump Shotgun (Wielded)!
Axel Strife is hit by the shotgun slug in the head!
The shotgun slug shrapnel sticks in the wound!
You hear a loud cracking sound coming from Axel Strife.
Axel Strife screams!
LOOC: Axel Strife: Why?
Scientist misses Axel Strife with the bayonet!
Axel Strife has disarmed Scientist!
Axel Strife has disarmed Scientist!
Scientist misses Axel Strife with the bayonet!
Axel Strife attempted to disarm Scientist!
Axel Strife has been ripped in the left hand with bayonet by Scientist!
Axel Strife attempted to disarm Scientist!
Your chest hurts.
You put the bayonet into the backpack.
Axel Strife has analyzed Axel Strife's vitals.
You fire the M4A3 Service Pistol!
The pistol bullet misses Axel Strife narrowly!
You fire the M4A3 Service Pistol!
The pistol bullet misses Axel Strife narrowly!
You fire the M4A3 Service Pistol!
Axel Strife is hit by the pistol bullet in the head!
The pistol bullet shrapnel sticks in the wound!
Axel Strife screams!
You hear a loud cracking sound coming from Axel Strife.
Axel Strife screams!
Axel Strife gasps!
You put the M4A3 Service Pistol into the backpack.
LOOC: Axel Strife: What the hell man?
Axel Strife has been sliced in the head with bayonet by Scientist!
Axel Strife screams!
You hear a sickening cracking sound coming from Axel Strife's face.
Axel Strife has been knocked unconscious!
Axel Strife seizes up and falls limp, their eyes dead and lifeless...
You put the bayonet into the backpack.

First off You've completely, lied about your intentions, I think. Not to mention posted editted logs of what occured. Nor have you mentioned key issues.
So, I am looking for felix, to treat him with a medkit I just got, after hearing him ask for help over the radio. I'm ona trolly, and it runs out of battery, so I check engineering via the west entrnace for a new power cell.
That, is when the first segment of the logs he posted occured.
What he fails to mention here, is I did not run at, and attack him. His shot, wasn't exactly a warning shot. I moved as he fired at me. I ran /away/ from him, to my trolley (Parked north of telecommunications, quickly attempting to replace a battery with a screw driver when he came after me, holding the shotgun. I ditched trying to replace the power cell on the trolley, and ran away below telecommunications. On the way there, I'm 90% certain he shot at me again, and only missed because of the shotguns chance to miss. I continued running away, but he caught up with me because I was hungry, and slower.

This, Is where the second part comes in, because A: he's coming closer to me with a shotgun after I believe he shot at me atleast twice, and B: there is no way I can out-run him because of hunger. Panicing slightly, because by now I think he's gone and killed felix, I attempt to dis-arm him, but forget I have a screwdriver in my hand. After hitting him once with it, and realising that I'm not actually disarming, I put the screw driver in my belt, and try to save my life as best as I can.

Clearly, I end up rather dead, and he begins stripping me of some of my stuff, where an aliens jumps him, and puts a hugger on his face.

Post by **Feweh** » 12 Oct 2015, 17:23

Honestly when Coronel was talking to you it really seemed like you're just the type of guy who looks for reasons to robust people to death.

RED119 · Post by **RED119** » 12 Oct 2015, 17:29

Devilzhand there was another medkit in sec I think, and I was worried you were going to shoot me so that is why I ran, I never tried to hide that fact I even stated it in the description of events. Now you said we were somewhat friendly but you hardly said anything to me the whole time other than hey, so I assumed you had a negative view on me in the first place henceforth influencing me to run after I shot you.

Coroneljones, why does the runner part matter? It is still an accident whether or not the runner piece is mentioned. With regards to being hit with the screwdriver I fired at the second survivor, the bullet did not make contact, it was a warning shot, I was typing a reply when he stabbed me in the chest, I then shot him directly. Also paranoia alters how you function and feel about nearly everything, so yes the greatest fear is of the aliens but the stress can lead to the individual harming other humans as well.

Also... RadiantFlash, do not accuse me of things I have not done, I would like an admin to check their logs and confirm I did not alter these logs in any way shape or form. You gave your account of what happened but failed to say what I changed in the logs. Also you did not avoid a bullet the first warning shot was aimed a table, I shot vertically, not straight at you.

Post by **DevilzHand** » 12 Oct 2015, 17:33

I had a broken skull and if/when I moved it hurts. You took the one from security.

RadiantFlash · Post by **RadiantFlash** » 12 Oct 2015, 17:39

RED119 wrote: Also... RadiantFlash, do not accuse me of things I have not done, I would like an admin to check their logs and confirm I did not alter these logs in any way shape or form. You gave your account of what happened but failed to say what I changed in the logs. Also you did not avoid a bullet the first warning shot was aimed a table, I shot vertically, not straight at you.

By tampered logs, I'm refering to the missing second shotgun shot that was fired and missed me because of the random-miss chance, when I fled south of telecoms. As I said, I'm almost completely certain a shot was fired, and it missed, but it doesn't show it in these logs. I thought I made that clear, my apologies.

As for not avoiding the bullet, from my point of view it sure seemed like I moved just as the bullet was fired.

RED119 · Post by **RED119** » 12 Oct 2015, 17:41

there were two shots fired, one was the warning shot the other was after you stabbed me. There was no third shot that missed by chance an admin can check their logs for it

Post by **Jack McIntyre** » 12 Oct 2015, 17:50

Yea I have met random paranoid survivors as a survivor and marine before any rounds go off or if they shoot me, we can actually have a dialogue, which it seems you had. That being said it sounds that you were changing some thing since first you said you were ignored and the other survivor said you two worked together. I also trust coronel enough that I will say that he most likely made the right call in the matter.

RED119 · Post by **RED119** » 12 Oct 2015, 17:56

Pertaining to the discrepancy of conversation with the other survivors, one said we worked together, but I was just following him, all he really said to me was hey, I asked him a questions, he never replied. If he or anyone else can provide logs that show him acknowledging my question/presence do post them. Again if anyone feels I altered the logs I encourage you to check them, because nothing has been altered.

Post by **Toroic** » 12 Oct 2015, 19:47

I'm not seeing good cause for murder, and the assessment that anyone else was the aggressor is false.

No human ever has a good reason to aim for the head, in any case. It also sounds like Red119 was the only one armed with a gun, yet appears threatened by other survivors?

You shot one guy "accidentially" but then shot another repeatedly in the head with multiple firearms.

How is anyone supposed to know what a "warning shot" is, and what is just a miss?

As a player, I'd rather not play with someone who solves any potential conflict by not just immediately escalating to lethal options, but picking the MOST lethal option by going for headshots.

Headshots btw, which are more dangerous to humans and the same as a bodyshot to a xeno.

RED119 · Post by **RED119** » 12 Oct 2015, 20:16

I am sorry Toros but you are a donor by what I see, and are not directly involved in this, so why are you commenting? you also clearly did not read what I have written. I said that the reason I ran from the person I accidentally shot was because he had weapons and was armed... so no I was not the only one with weapons. You also accused my of accidentally shooting a survivor multiple times, no I accidentally shot him once in the head, perhaps look through the logs I posted. As for determining a warning shot between an accidental miss, you know when they tell you it was a warning shot, which I was doing but he started to run out of engineering and I gave chase. I was not going for the most lethal option either, I was going to attempt to rob him and hold him captive, but things escalated after he stabbed me first. He started the lethal action in the altercation.

Post by **DevilzHand** » 12 Oct 2015, 21:11

Usually a verbal warning from a person that has a shotgun is really effective instead of shooting because that would
make someone want to run away even more.
Yes, I did have a few guns, a rifle and a service pistol, but you obviously would have won against a critically injured person so there was no need to run away. Along with the fact if it was an accident the best course would have been to help the person you shot instead of leaving them to die.
I believe you got off really lucky on this ban since you messed up the round of two players right away.

Post by **apophis775** » 12 Oct 2015, 21:40

I agree wit pink, you seem to look for situations you can robust people. That's not accepted here.

DENIED.

I suggest that if you want to continue to play here, you learn our rules, and you don't shoot other humans for no reason. Yes, there's no rule written against it, it's common fucking sense. If I had to write every single common sense thing out, the rules would be 30 pages.

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