Youbar's Ban Appeal

[Adjective]

What gurantee is there that if you are allowed to come back that you won't just "snap" again?

[SASoperative]

The admin team have talked about this and so far the talk is you will be unbanned EVENTUALLY. But probably not from this appeal or maybe later after this appeal. I am still debating myself.

[Lostmixup]

I say appeal later when an appropriate amount of time has passed, you'll probably be let back in then.

[Stalin]

What gurantee is there that if you are allowed to come back that you won't just "snap" again?

There is no guarantee, but my snap wasn't over something petty as it usually was. All my contributions to the community were ignored, and I was labelled a stalker. I was believed to be something worse than a troll - you can't recover from that stigma.

The admin team have talked about this and so far the talk is you will be unbanned EVENTUALLY. But probably not from this appeal or maybe later after this appeal. I am still debating myself.

If I have any say in it, there's no difference between me appealing again after an appropriate amount of time, and my ban being reduced to that amount of time. Most staff seem to want the former, but all that can be said has been said. If I appeal again, the same things would be repeated, and the only thing that would have changed significantly is the date.
As much as I'd like to change further, there isn't much more for me to change (Gelonvia has accepted my various apologies to her, I'm being seen in a positive light), as evidenced by the various posts praising how I acted on my FriedKetchup account, and I'm content with how I am. I understand the idea of keeping me off the server for a bit longer, but asking me to appeal again is a waste of effort on both sides.

[Lostmixup]

There is no guarantee, but my snap wasn't over something petty as it usually was. All my contributions to the community were ignored, and I was labelled a stalker. I was believed to be something worse than a troll - you can't recover from that stigma.
If I have any say in it, there's no difference between me appealing again after an appropriate amount of time, and my ban being reduced to that amount of time. Most staff seem to want the former, but all that can be said has been said. If I appeal again, the same things would be repeated, and the only thing that would have changed significantly is the date.
As much as I'd like to change further, there isn't much more for me to change (Gelonvia has accepted my various apologies to her, I'm being seen in a positive light), as evidenced by the various posts praising how I acted on my FriedKetchup account, and I'm content with how I am. I understand the idea of keeping me off the server for a bit longer, but asking me to appeal again is a waste of effort on both sides.

Your perma ban right now is asking to come back now. Perma's - as far as I see them anyway - are a way for the banned player to get himself unbanned within and around the time of his ban appeal. The point of making one is that you think you've had enough punishment time away from the server and want back in. A ban appeal implies you want back soon after it is posted. That's what all ban appeals imply. The problem is it's simply too soon for you to come back, at least in my opinion. You haven't served nearly enough punishment time away from the server at all for either of your two bans. Hell, your first one you subverted by making a new account. It may have been for a good cause, but you still subverted your punishment.

Why should you be able to just waltz back into our server scott free, without any sort of reasonable wait time for your actions? Is it because you've seen the "error of your ways" so to speak? Well, so do a lot of people who want back into the server. Perhaps you're more genuine about it than all those other people, but you still haven't served a reasonable amount of time for the reason's you've been banned in the first place. You've harassed many people, and staff, on and off server. You were a nuisance to everyone (excluding myself, you never really messed with me) on server and off server. You need to have a proper punishment for your actions. I have no reason to hate you, you've never done anything to me, but I cannot just simply let someone who's caused as much trouble as you and practically had no punishment simply be let back onto the server asap without saying something.

Make another ban appeal when you feel you've served enough time for your actions. Personally, I recommend after December whenever the inevitable Christmas event is over. It will be a new year and a fresh start on server. If you really care about getting back in, making a second ban appeal at an appropriate time will be no problem (look at mitches, he's been trying to become a moderator for months) I don't care if you participate on the forums in the meantime, or do whatever else you like to do, just deal with the punishment given to you. You've done one part of the ban process, changed. Now you have to deal with the punishment part.

[Stalin]

Your perma ban right now is asking to come back now. Perma's - as far as I see them anyway - are a way for the banned player to get himself unbanned within and around the time of his ban appeal. The point of making one is that you think you've had enough punishment time away from the server and want back in. A ban appeal implies you want back soon after it is posted. That's what all ban appeals imply. The problem is it's simply too soon for you to come back, at least in my opinion. You haven't served nearly enough punishment time away from the server at all for either of your two bans. Hell, your first one you subverted by making a new account. It may have been for a good cause, but you still subverted your punishment.
Why should you be able to just waltz back into our server scott free, without any sort of reasonable wait time for your actions? Is it because you've seen the "error of your ways" so to speak? Well, so do a lot of people who want back into the server. Perhaps you're more genuine about it than all those other people, but you still haven't served a reasonable amount of time for the reason's you've been banned in the first place. You've harassed many people, and staff, on and off server. You were a nuisance to everyone (excluding myself, you never really messed with me) on server and off server. You need to have a proper punishment for your actions. I have no reason to hate you, you've never done anything to me, but I cannot just simply let someone who's caused as much trouble as you and practically had no punishment simply be let back onto the server asap without saying something.

I understand you seeing a ban appeal as a way of asking to be unbanned instantly, but everybody sees things differently. There is no purpose set in stone for an appeal, and I've seen them across multiple servers as a way of saying, "Yes, I've done wrong. Could I please reduce my permanent ban to two or three months?" A punishment should be endured, certainly, but there's no sense in wasting time for the two parties involved with another appeal. If I followed your request, and appealed later, I'm getting the feeling you would support me. If that's the case, why not set the ban to expire on that date instead? An agreed time for me to be accepted back into the community should be decided on. I'm happy to wait one, two, three, or however many months for my ban to expire, and the result would be the same, second appeal or not. I'm not avoiding punishment that way, and I know that I won't be unbanned immediately. What more is there to it?
If a headmin decides they wants me to appeal later, so be it, but that's how I view it.

[apophis775]

Well, i remember the staff decision, was to post this to after the Halloween event.

It's been awhile, and while you were a bit dishonest with the whole ketchup thing, you truly did show an effort to change and become a member of the community.

THUS. I'm going to make a topic in the Staff Forum, and I may have a date in mind. If no one objects to it, I'll post it here in a few days.

[SASoperative]

I have seen you message me several times about the ban appeal so I can see that your at least persistent about it. Hell I am debating on objections but I feel like you learned your lesson

[Stalin]

Well, i remember the staff decision, was to post this to after the Halloween event.

It's been awhile, and while you were a bit dishonest with the whole ketchup thing, you truly did show an effort to change and become a member of the community.

THUS. I'm going to make a topic in the Staff Forum, and I may have a date in mind. If no one objects to it, I'll post it here in a few days.

Great! I'm hoping the date isn't too long from now.

I have seen you message me several times about the ban appeal so I can see that your at least persistent about it. Hell I am debating on objections but I feel like you learned your lesson

I didn't want to message you at first, knowing that you're busy, but I'm glad you didn't take it the wrong way.

[Jdobbin49]

After reading the entire appeal I do think you are trying to be a better player, I was not a player when you where first banned and I was not a mod when you where but from what I see your original player was horrific and you have confirmed this yourself however I did have some interaction with friedketchup on the forums and you seemed decent enough back then and others have said it feels like you are trying to change, and I believe you are however because of how you dodged your first perma with a multi-key I believe it is only fair that you stay banned at least for a little while longer, as I said ketchup seemed to be a much better player ando as he was you that means you are capable of being a good player so I say +1 for you being unbanned but I believe you should stay banned for a bit longer

[apophis775]

After discussing with the staff, we have settled on a date.

Your ban shall expire, Janurary 1st 2016.