SUPERMAN112 ban appeal

[SUPERMAN112]

Byond ID: SUPERMAN112

Character name: Varies

Admin who banned you: Host (Apophis775)

Initial duration: Perma

Duration remaining: Perma

Reason for ban: Ghosting while doing important things (as Larva, inside Mechs, on ERT)

Your appeal, including evidence (an www.imgur.com album is recommended for multiple screenshots):

I'm sorry but these false accusations are absurd. First of all the only "important" job on that list is ERT, I NEVER ghosted as ERT, EVER. I was accused of ghosting, but all that happened was I joined ERT, and was having awful lag, the server made me re-connect, when I came back It opened to the join screen, and I got a message from Apop saying never to ghost as a ERT member ever again. I NEVER ghosted, don't accuse me of that, come on. The Mech incident is what occurred today, I hardly play marine, and if I ever do I play a standard marine. I got spawned in as a cargo technician. I have never played this position before, don't know how their job differs from an RO or if its the same thing. I a-helped a few time about the job, got no reply. A second person came in who started to actually do the job, so I figured I would just log out. My position was no longer important as someone else covered my position. The larva accusation is just flat out false, I play aliens a lot, and a larva is not exactly an essential caste to the hive, in fact MANY aliens go SSD, some are T2 or T3, now that is an important caste. A larva going SSD is irrelevant as ghosts can join in as that larva after a given duration.

[SUPERMAN112]

To clarify, I would have been perfectly alright with a ban of a few hours or even a few days, as the Mech incident could make for a slight inconvenience. However the crime does not match up with the punishment, and on account of the false accusations the injustice is only augmented.

[apophis775]

Are you kidding me?

I'm the one who issued the ban because I'm tired of seeing you ghosted or logged off doing things semi-important.

Lets star at the last one. These are your entire logs for the round I gave you the permanban in (in server time)

Lets start at the most recent:

[16:27:03]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Chad Stephenson) from
[16:30:45]ADMIN: HELP: SUPERMAN112/(Chad Stephenson): do I run requisitiond? - heard by 1 non-AFK admins.
[16:34:23]SAY: Chad Stephenson/SUPERMAN112 : Yo
[16:35:42]GAME: <a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000026]'>SUPERMAN112</a>/(Chad Stephenson) has ghosted.
[16:35:42]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Chad Stephenson)
[16:43:10]ACCESS: Logout: SUPERMAN112/(Chad Stephenson)
[17:16:45]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Chad Stephenson)
[17:16:51]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Alien Larva (158))
[17:18:47]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Runner (211))
[17:23:31]SAY: Runner (211)/SUPERMAN112 : Dis lag
[17:23:42]ACCESS: Logout: SUPERMAN112/(Runner (211))


You see that at 16:45:42? That's you ghosting after a SINGLE AHELP (not a few). That Login, is the transfer of your mind from your body, to the ghost state.
16:42 was a disconnect
17:16 was re-login, then bursting.
17:18 was you evolving into a runner


So don't lie. You ahelped ONCE, then ghosted AFTER DNA locking the loading mech. (I had to go into the variables and remove the lock after, as well as remove your ghosted body).

At the VERY MINIMUM if I were to ever remove this permaban, you'd have a permanent Job-ban from CT/RO for pulling that shit.


You also, very frequently ghost from marine a few seconds in, to join the aliens or other things, such as these examples (for reference, these are your EXACT LOGS in order, nothing missing from the blocks, all I did was remove your IP, and can provide these logs if necessary from our database):




[19:36:12]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Chad Stephenson) <<<Game Start
[19:52:46]GAME: <a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000040]'>SUPERMAN112</a>/(Chad Stephenson) has ghosted. <<<you ghosting before dieing to join the aliens
[19:52:46]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Chad Stephenson) <<<You becoming a ghost
[19:55:36]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Alien Larva (116)) <<<You becoming an alien
[20:04:35]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Runner (790)) <<<Evolving



[00:17:03]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Chad Stephenson) <<<Gamestart
[00:19:03]GAME: <a href='?priv_msg=[0x500000d]'>SUPERMAN112</a>/(Chad Stephenson) has ghosted. <<You ghosting literally, 120 seconds in
[00:19:03]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Chad Stephenson) <<<Becoming a ghost
[00:23:13]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(REX 08-1) <<<Becoming a PAI
[00:23:33]EMOTE: REX 08-1/SUPERMAN112 : <B>REX 08-1</B> Hums as it boots up
[00:24:07]SAY: REX 08-1/SUPERMAN112 : would you like me to download any software sir?

SAME FUCKING ROUND:

[00:58:33]GAME: <a href='?priv_msg=[0x500000d]'>SUPERMAN112</a>/(REX 08-1) has ghosted.
[00:58:33]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(REX 08-1) << Ghosting
[00:58:58]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Alien Larva (12)) <<Becoming a larva

Two Days Later:


[00:36:31]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Chad Stephenson) <<Roundstart
[00:45:06]GAME: <a href='?priv_msg=[0x500003d]'>SUPERMAN112</a>/(Chad Stephenson) has ghosted. <<<Ghosting shortly after
[00:45:06]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Chad Stephenson) <<<Becoming a ghost
[00:45:50]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Alien Larva (485)) <<<Popping as an alien
[00:50:34]ACCESS: Login: SUPERMAN112/(Runner (136)) <<<Evolving




I see, a repeated pattern, of someone who GHOSTS because they don't like what role they get. To the point that I noticed. Also, not many people know this) but I have keep a list of characters i see frequently ghosted, and check to see if they logoff, or ghost to be aliens. Your name is on that list, so when I saw you do that in a mech suit, it hit the "NOPE" level.



tl;dr: Guy who frequently ghosts to join aliens ghosts in a way that causes the most fuckery, gets banned.

I'm going to throw my -1 on this, and on request, I'll provide his full logs.

And claiming that this is false persecution? Really?

[SUPERMAN112]

Sorry Apop I still do claim false accusations, none of the evidence supported me ghosting as an alien or as a ERT member, which were the more important jobs listed. Yes I do agree, I would be fine with a job ban as a punishment, but a permaban for this feels quite excessive. You talked to me once, about the ERT incident, though I never ghosted from ERT. Other than that I received no further warning.

I'm not a moderator, nor do I think I ever will be, so take this with a grain of salt, I view a permaban as a device to eliminate toxic players who intentionally ruin a round (grief). My ghosting usually occurs close to round start, and I only do so if I'm in a lesser position. I have spawned in as commander and played through as commander, albeit a very awful one. I recognize that ghosting is against the rules, as such I also recognize a ban is justified, it is the ban duration I find fault with.

[Feweh]

Sorry Apop I still do claim false accusations, none of the evidence supported me ghosting as an alien or as a ERT member, which were the more important jobs listed. Yes I do agree, I would be fine with a job ban as a punishment, but a permaban for this feels quite excessive. You talked to me once, about the ERT incident, though I never ghosted from ERT. Other than that I received no further warning.

I'm not a moderator, nor do I think I ever will be, so take this with a grain of salt, I view a permaban as a device to eliminate toxic players who intentionally ruin a round (grief). My ghosting usually occurs close to round start, and I only do so if I'm in a lesser position. I have spawned in as commander and played through as commander, albeit a very awful one. I recognize that ghosting is against the rules, as such I also recognize a ban is justified, it is the ban duration I find fault with.

You lied in your appeal, which is a auto -1 for me.

As well, you are a toxic player.

Maybe not with your attitude, but your gameplay is toxic and RUINS the fun and gameplay of other people.

You deserve this ban fully, especially with those logs supplied.. you come across as a very selfish person who doesnt think of others.

[SUPERMAN112]

whoa what? when did I lie in my appeal?! I do not ruin the round for the other people at all... you tell me that 1/100 marines going brain dead ruins the round for someone? How does that come across as selfish? I fail to see how a perma-ban matches up with ghosting. Maybe a warning ban of a few days, then if continued apply a permaban, but keeping track of it in secret, providing no warning and spontaneously banning someone permanently form your server feels very unfair.

[apophis775]

I a-helped a few time about the job, got no reply.

This would be a lie. You ahelped once, then 5 minutes later ghosted after DNA locking a mech.

[SUPERMAN112]

It was no lie, the fact remains I a-helped. I was considering writing a second a-help, however did not, as I figured you must have been busy with something else at the moment and spamming you with a-helps would do nothing to speed anything up. At least my a-help is real, and in the logs. If you want to talk about lying, calling me lier for getting the number of a-helps wrong, why don't you address me ghosting as an ERT, something you included in my ban reason and have yet to site any evidence for

[Allan1234]

It was no lie, the fact remains I a-helped.

I a-helped a few time about the job, got no reply.

It's a lie because you only ahelped once yet said you did it "a few" times.

[SUPERMAN112]

And what have you to say about apop? was it not a lie that I ghosted as ERT? My "lie" was a minor mistake, as I do not have access to the logs and was going by memory as it happened while I was offline, however the individual with all the logs and information has made a bogus claim that I ghosted as an ERT and for some reason nobody wants to acknowledge this or call him out for it despite it being a flagrant lie.

[Feweh]

Anyways.

I dont think your crime warrants a perma-ban.

In the future try to handle appeals better. Try not to make up excuses and lies for your actions.. instead explain to us how you understand what you did was wrong.

[Adjective]

Neutral, I have a thing for giving people second chances, but when someone goes about lying and then trying to further cover a falsity when they are discovered I lose interest in assisting them.

[SUPERMAN112]

I am more than happy to apologize, I have admitted in previous posts that what I did was wrong, and I am sorry if it caused a delayed or boring round for anyone.
Why does everyone keep saying I lied? I found out about the post after the round in which I did my crime was long over... a few hours (let us define a few, around 1-2, I don't really recall so do not take that too seriously!) had passed before I found out I was banned. I did not think I did any real crime so I made no effort to memorize the information that occurred in the round and had no access to any logs, so entirely based on memory I made a single mistake in the number of a-helps... I do not understand why this is being blown out of proportion... its not like it's a focal point of my appeal, change it to one and my complaints are still the same... would anything in my argument really have changed? It is not as if I "lied" about a major part of this, like saying "I never ghosted EVER!! THIS IS BS!".

So please do not call me a liar when I had no access to logs and was doing my best to provide a proper account of what transpired from memory, it is very irritating. Also

Neutral, I have a thing for giving people second chances, but when someone goes about lying and then trying to further cover a falsity when they are discovered I lose interest in assisting them.

How did I lie to cover up anything? You insist on calling a liar due to a single small and irrelevant mistake to the whole argument and yet the individual with full access to the logs made a massive lie about me ghosting from ERT and yet you blatantly ignore it choosing to focus on a small minor mistake as opposed to a very large mistake coming from someone who has FULL access to the logs.

Honestly I do not care at all, make it one a-help, NOTHING changes... would my making two a-helps instead of one drastically change the course of the argument? To ask another question, would my ghosting from ERT drastically change the course of the argument? (ERT is a major position, that can determine the outcome of a round)

[SUPERMAN112]

In the future try to handle appeals better. Try not to make up excuses and lies for your actions.. instead explain to us how you understand what you did was wrong.

With all due respect Feweh the definition of appeal is not quite synonymous with the definition of apology. The template also says "evidence" which gave me an indication it wanted you to formulate an argument. I apologize if I am wrong, this is my first appeal.

[Feweh]

With all due respect Feweh the definition of appeal is not quite synonymous with the definition of apology. The template also says "evidence" which gave me an indication it wanted you to formulate an argument. I apologize if I am wrong, this is my first appeal.

You need to understand that you've already been found guilty.
Your duty in a appeal is to provide CONCRETE evidence that you didn't do what you've been banned for OR if you admit to your actions at least explain to the staff how you've "changed" and understand what you did was wrong.

You did neither of that.

[SUPERMAN112]

You need to understand that you've already been found guilty.
Your duty in a appeal is to provide CONCRETE evidence that you didn't do what you've been banned for OR if you admit to your actions at least explain to the staff how you've "changed" and understand what you did was wrong.
You did neither of that.

I did not ghost as ERT, I can provide no proof as I have access to nothing really, I ask the admins to please check that... I have said this over and over again. I also did not ghost as an alien but this is a lesser accusation, 2/3 of the accusations in my ban reason were false. I did not know I was going to be banned so I captured no evidence, I ask you to please check the logs for either alien or ERT ghosting.
As I have said and will say again, i do not question my guilt I question the punishment.

I do not lie, nor do I intend to saying that I changed in such a short time frame is ridiculous, I do understand ghosting in a mech can be troublesome, I apologize for it as I have before, but does not massively disturb the flow of the round in any way, that is why I believe a permaban for it is extremely excessive.

I can provide no evidence, you have access to ALL the evidence, check my claims! And do not say I did neither of those things, I did admit to 1 out of 3 accusations, and apologized. I said I did not ghost as an ERT or larva, check my claim, please do.

[Adjective]

Sorry, couldn't help but notice you essentially called me a liar, trying to hide my lies. I would like to just let you know I was recalling the events by memory, made a single mistake on the number of a-helps, I was thinking 2 (few means 2-3) when it was actually one. However your host whom has all the logs at his disposal made two very large lies, that I ghosted as an ERT member and that I ghosted an alien. You called me out on my "lie" but made no mention of his, would you care to comment on this?

Seeing as you have decided to personal message me declaring Apophis a liar, I feel I need to make no further comments on what kind of player you are.

[SUPERMAN112]

Seeing as you have decided to personal message me declaring Apophis a liar, I feel I need to make no further comments on what kind of player you are.

I see no reason you had to post that here, I already said apop was being less than honest earlier in this conversation, I had just noticed you never replied to it. You are creating unnecessary repetition. I literally said the same thing in this ban appeal earlier, I didn't message you some big secret.

And what have you to say about apop? was it not a lie that I ghosted as ERT? My "lie" was a minor mistake, as I do not have access to the logs and was going by memory as it happened while I was offline, however the individual with all the logs and information has made a bogus claim that I ghosted as an ERT and for some reason nobody wants to acknowledge this or call him out for it despite it being a flagrant lie.

Now I do not mean to offend Apop by calling him a liar, I just wanted to simply show the hypocritical nature of some for calling me a liar over minute details while an admin made a much larger mistake. I do not think in my case or Apop's it was intentional, Apop I'm sure was busy, and wrote a quick ban reason, while I did not have access to the logs.

[Ordukai]

I feel like just because he said something that was false doesn't mean he lied (Right?). He may have simply been mistaken. Or exaggerating slightly, and whether he ahelped once with no response or three times with no response isn't (I feel) extremely important, especially since it was apparently heard by one non-afk admin.
It seems that Superman's story about the ERT does hold up and Apop did made a mistake (Nov 1, 20:01:51). Like Superman said, that doesn't make him a liar. Just busy running the server.

Now that we've moved past the lie accusations and the ERT ghosting, DNA locking yourself into a mech and then ghosting is a stupid thing to do. Even if you decided to let the new guy do his job, surely you should have realized that leaving your living corpse in a DNA locked mech would impede him in the job.

For that, and the trouble you caused Apop because of it, you definitely deserve a ban. I don't believe it should be a permaban, though.

[SUPERMAN112]

I feel like just because he said something that was false doesn't mean he lied (Right?). He may have simply been mistaken. Or exaggerating slightly, and whether he ahelped once with no response or three times with no response isn't (I feel) extremely important, especially since it was apparently heard by one non-afk admin.
It seems that Superman's story about the ERT does hold up and Apop did made a mistake (Nov 1, 20:01:51). Like Superman said, that doesn't make him a liar. Just busy running the server.

Now that we've moved past the lie accusations and the ERT ghosting, DNA locking yourself into a mech and then ghosting is a stupid thing to do. Even if you decided to let the new guy do his job, surely you should have realized that leaving your living corpse in a DNA locked mech would impede him in the job.

For that, and the trouble you caused Apop because of it, you definitely deserve a ban. I don't believe it should be a permaban, though.

I agree completely with your assessment, thankyou.
(As a side-note the reason for the Mech incident, which I am not dismissing and recognize I deserve some king of a ban for, just not a permaban. I have built mechs on other servers, and seen them used frequently in combat on here, but never been in one. I was trying to get out of it, opened up the exosuit interface and thought it was somewhere there, apparently I DNA locked it along with other things. I wanted to creep off into a corner and ghost so I could play as an alien (wrong) so I got flustered and just ghosted (wrong). In my defense I was looking through the Baystation 12 wiki for how to get out, the closest thing I found was on the mining page, it only told me how to open the exosuit interface. I'm not attempting to excuse my actions, as I recognize I should have a-helped about how to get out, and a-helped in general about not wanting my position.)

[Adjective]

I definitely agree it shouldn't be a permaban. However, messaging moderators talking negatively about their boss is definitely a bad decision.

[SUPERMAN112]

I definitely agree it shouldn't be a permaban. However, messaging moderators talking negatively about their boss is definitely a bad decision.

Calling someone a compulsive liar publicly over a simple mistake isn't very polite either.

[apophis775]

Been busy.

Read through this. The ERT thing, might have been a mistake, but again, I've seen you ghost WAY too many times to play alien (not from alien).

You caused a shit amount of issues when you ghosted IMMEDIATLY after DNA-locking the Mech, and you do this so frequently (Lookup his ghosting through the logs, there are TONS of instances) I'm tired of it. Again, I have a list of people who frequently ghost, and when I saw you do it again, I wasn't overly concerned, except when i found out it was right after DNAlocking a mech.

And really, messaging my staff negative things about me because I'm super busy doing other things (like hosting the server, preparing updates, etc) is a bit of a dick move.

[SUPERMAN112]

Been busy.

Read through this. The ERT thing, might have been a mistake, but again, I've seen you ghost WAY too many times to play alien (not from alien).

You caused a shit amount of issues when you ghosted IMMEDIATLY after DNA-locking the Mech, and you do this so frequently (Lookup his ghosting through the logs, there are TONS of instances) I'm tired of it. Again, I have a list of people who frequently ghost, and when I saw you do it again, I wasn't overly concerned, except when i found out it was right after DNAlocking a mech.

And really, messaging my staff negative things about me because I'm super busy doing other things (like hosting the server, preparing updates, etc) is a bit of a dick move.

I do not mean to insult you, I respect you as a veteran and a host of a fun server, I can promise you I will refrain from ghosting in the future and play my assigned role, if not I will a-help it. I was not messaging your staff negative things about you out of spite, I was simply trying to show them how hypocritical they were being by flat out calling me a liar over a simple mistake, just as yours was, a simple mistake. If I were to suggest a ban time for myself, I would say a month to a week would be reasonable.(in my opinion, though I am happy with pretty much anything that is not a permaban and under a year)

[apophis775]

I've removed the ban, on the condition that you don't ghost without going to cryo in the future, and that if you ever ghost in a DNA-locked mech again, it'll be Super-perma.

Also, don't Multi-key. I saw you tried to login with Red119 and it was flagged as part of Superman112's ban.