Player report, Wyatt Hoopengarner

zskninoh · Post by **zskninoh** » 11 Nov 2015, 04:26

Your Byond Key: ZskNinoh

Your character name: Anya Schulz

Their character name: Wyatt Hoopengarner

Their Byond key (optional - if you know it):

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): about 3:10 us central time

What rule(s) were broken: Griefing

Description of the incident: I joined in as a doc, saw a marine engineer breaking into engineering telling me that the CE was gonna blow up the ship. As there were no moderation staff on at the time i followed him in. The CE then showed up and began harm batoning me without any provocation on my end, and the marine with a stunprod. I injected the marine with tricord after the CE let up, then the marine got his rifle and killed the CE i believe.

The logs show I planted C4. The marine left me trapped in the little room just as you enter engineering. I did that to get out as I did not have engineering access and it was a super lowpop round so I would have most likely have been stuck in there the a really long time. I am fairly sure nothing other than the floor tiles and airlock were destroyed.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

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How you would punish the accused: Not sure, I am fairly new to this server.

NOTE: If needed I can upload the HTML logs to dropbox or something to ensure they have not been altered.

TR-BlackDragon · Post by **TR-BlackDragon** » 18 Nov 2015, 00:35

My conclution here is that Gunso aka Wyatt, Is in the wrong for the violation of griefing by way of harm batoning. As the stations CE he did not have normal access to a stun baton. And also even though he had a non-lethal weapon he decided to switch between one other intent and Harm intent and back and forth to keep using the stun effect of the non-lethal attack.Then he not only used this weapon on the person who blew up the engine but also a bystander doctor who was only doing their job and treating the hurt patient that Gunso was attempting to kill. So in conclusion and from Gunso's previous note history i recommend at least a 1-2 day ban.

ChickenShizNit8 · Post by **ChickenShizNit8** » 18 Nov 2015, 21:07

Seems sort of power-gamey, not only having the stun baton but the way he was using it.

WyattH · Post by **WyattH** » 18 Nov 2015, 22:04

TR-BlackDragon wrote:My conclution here is that Gunso aka Wyatt, Is in the wrong for the violation of griefing by way of harm batoning. As the stations CE he did not have normal access to a stun baton. And also even though he had a non-lethal weapon he decided to switch between one other intent and Harm intent and back and forth to keep using the stun effect of the non-lethal attack. Then he not only used this weapon on the person who blew up the engine but also a bystander doctor who was only doing their job and treating the hurt patient that Gunso was attempting to kill. So in conclusion and from Gunso's previous note history i recommend at least a 1-2 day ban

Of course I don't have access to a stun baton, it's a stun prod, significantly weaker than a stun baton. I switch force to harm because it was 2 on 1 and I was not going to let them continue to grief the entire ship, the doctor was not a bystander at all, they even admit to helping the marine. If this doctor was really 'doing their job' they wouldn't be in the engineering department planting C4 on doors. Last I checked doctors weren't allowed weapons on sulaco. People assisting griefers when there are no admins online must be killed, it is the only way to stop griefers. If you go through the logs of the round you can also see that because of their engine grief the sulaco's SM was going critical.

ChickenShizNit8 wrote:Seems sort of power-gamey, not only having the stun baton but the way he was using it.

I fail to see how it would be power gaming at all, it's the CE who knows how to make pretty much everything on the ship and I only made it since the engine was getting griefed. If I was power gaming I would have went to the prep area and gotten armor and a gun as well and used those after stunning instead of just only having thrown together stun prod.

TR-BlackDragon · Post by **TR-BlackDragon** » 18 Nov 2015, 23:27

Wyatt Just because no admins are online doesnt give you permission to Try to kill another player. Proper protocol is to let them hang them selves and collect evidence. Then report them on the forums. By taking it into your own hands you broke rules along with them. Now if they were shooting at you first that would be a different story but that is not the case here. So my recommendation for punishment stands.

After reviewing the logs again i have also come to the conclusion that ZskNinoh had c-4 which is against the Doctor rule set. And recommend a Job ban from medical pending an appeal.
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Wickedtemp · Post by **Wickedtemp** » 19 Nov 2015, 01:14

"The only way to stop a griefer is to kill them!"

I'll stop you right there, good sir.

I've stopped several griefers, non-lethally. One of them, I stunned and threw into a dormitory without any equipment and then welded the door shut until the admins could get to them.

Course, I was playing as MP and I have access to stun batons and flashes... But, you know what you could have done?

Used wire as handcuffs, search for weapons, then drag them to MP if there were any.

WyattH · Post by **WyattH** » 19 Nov 2015, 04:07

Wickedtemp wrote:
Used wire as handcuffs, search for weapons, then drag them to MP if there were any.

1) the stun from a stunprod is weaker than a baton stun, you have to be quite fast to slip on even wire cuffs in that time
2) it wasn't even possible to put on cuffs since there were two of them working together, the doctor and the marine
3) >MP >implying on lowpop there was any command staff besides me as CE >implying that there was any MP at all

Are you saying you'd rather the sulaco on fire or breached and the crew dead waiting and waiting another hour for the aliens to come up because there isn't even an admin on to reset the server? The marines in this round iirc didn't even make it down to the surface. It's fairly simple for a single griefer to ruin a round for 10 other people when no admins are online and no one can fix the issue. The marines get robbed of being able to do anything and the aliens get robbed of their time as well as they wait and wait with no marines coming to fight them.

WyattH · Post by **WyattH** » 19 Nov 2015, 04:18

read below post, this was a double post

WyattH · Post by **WyattH** » 19 Nov 2015, 04:21

Wickedtemp wrote:
I stunned and threw into a dormitory without any equipment and then welded the door shut until the admins could get to them.

Yeah even welding someone in with C4 will not solve the job, and when a griefer is working together with someone like they were with the doctor in this case it isn't possible to strip them and put them anywhere even. If the code hasn't been changed on this server a stunprod only deals force damage of 3, far lower than even the damage a wrench will do. If you doubt this check the damage it will do versus a true harm baton. Stunprod is a weapon of desperation and a valiant attempt to use a non-lethal weapon when if I was a true murderboner I would be using a gun and shooting people point blank in the face after stunning them.

But I'd like to see you stop griefers with no admins and no MPs online, while you're wearing no armor, and have to deal with 2 v 1.

Post by **apophis775** » 21 Nov 2015, 23:04

Confirmed.

Wyatt will receive a 2-day ban.

The doctor will receive a medical ban, minimum 1 week (you'll have to ahelp to get it removed).

Post by **SASoperative** » 09 Dec 2015, 12:21

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