ban appeal. by siserith.

[Siserith Vassada]

Byond ID:Siserith

Character name:Siserith 'dragon' Vassada

Admin who banned you:westhybrid/faweh

Initial duration:24 hrs

Duration remaining:24 hrs

Reason for ban:Layered the hangar with fuel, resulting the the injury of multiple marines. Banned 24 hours

Your appeal, including evidence (an http://www.imgur.com album is recommended for multiple screenshots):i'me going to start off by saying this isn't entirely a ban appeal or really directed at one. more of a clarification and discussion about the faulty reasoning for it. i've decided not to put this in admin complaints due to the nature of this incident being completely misunderstood by both west hybrid and faweh. i will also discuss how while the ban was justified for the meta and "possible" greifynes of my actions they both misunderstood about what happend and their reasoning complete lack of looking into the issue or the surrounding situation. i don't entirely know why i layered the hanger in welding fuel it was a sort of of the moment thing that i don't even know why i did it.

The faulty reasoning and supposed "injury" of fellow marines. due to some weird way with the welder fire works. probably due to something with flamethrowers or what not. but welder fires do not spread. they only stay for less than a second at the point of ignition and they do not cause any damage or something ridiculously minute. plenty of people in the room had burn damage due to it being a tight clusterfuck with electrified grilles all around and i feel that the resulting in the injury of multiple parts is due to a misunderstanding of game mechanics and not knowing what happend on faweh's part. i have played for months and for a while know this has been happening almost every round with a bit of welder fuel getting spilled by someone somewhere always only resulting in quick split second fires that dont harm someone. i mean you could literally stand in the fire for hours with a cigarette in your mouth lighting it on and off but the fire will cause no damage

this is not an attempt to somehow justify filling the hanger with welder fuel but what i feel a major reason for the ban is due to a misunderstanding of game mechanics. heck i immediatly stopped spreading it when asked by west and even immediately started cleaning it up with space cleaner after asked if that goes for anything.

[Siserith Vassada]

you spelled a lot of words wrong in your paragraph's but I feel the concern in them as well, 10/10 for effort.

i've never been know for my accurate spelling..... but uh.. the mins dont like people posing in appeals that they dont have anything to add to.

[djvandyke16]

i've never been know for my accurate spelling..... but uh.. the mins dont like people posing in appeals that they dont have anything to add to.

My bad just trying to give a helpful tip unto you.

[Allan1234]

Hello siserith and thank you for posting this ban appeal.

I cannot speak for what happened/may have happened but I can speak for what I do know.

Based on the note left behind

Put welding fuel in the hangar when aliens were attacking.. This of course backfired and a few marines were burned when a electric grill was touched. Gave him a warning, when honestly.. he deserved a ban. Any warning next will be a ban because of this though. by -------- on Sat, November 21st of 2015

and the point that west was the one to ban you I am pretty sure this is a mistake for the ban and you where only meant to be warned. I will get pink to comment here and ask west if it was meant to happen.

On the note of your actions regardless of your meaning behind it your actions did result in that of multiple marines getting hurt. So pinks warning was more then warranted.

[Siserith Vassada]

Hello siserith and thank you for posting this ban appeal.

I cannot speak for what happened/may have happened but I can speak for what I do know.

Based on the note left behind

Put welding fuel in the hangar when aliens were attacking.. This of course backfired and a few marines were burned when a electric grill was touched. Gave him a warning, when honestly.. he deserved a ban. Any warning next will be a ban because of this though. by -------- on Sat, November 21st of 2015

and the point that west was the one to ban you I am pretty sure this is a mistake for the ban and you where only meant to be warned. I will get pink to comment here and ask west if it was meant to happen.

On the note of your actions regardless of your meaning behind it your actions did result in that of multiple marines getting hurt. So pinks warning was more then warranted.

i do agree that i did somthing wrong by putting the welding fuel there in the first place. but i think saying that the fire resulted in people getting hurt is wrong due to the way the welder fuel fire actually works in game. for whatever reason. welder fire in the game does no spread nor does it do damage nor does it last longer than half a second. i am so adamant on this that i want a in game test to be done to back me up or prove me wrong. and there was only a single guy caught in the fire itself. but he was entirely unscathed by the fire itself(i checked with a health scanner). the same cant be said for damage from touching a grill which likely happen. i believe many other players can also back me up on the fact that welding fuel fire does not hurt people nor spread for some reason

[Allan1234]

I will look into what happened via log.

[Feweh]

I was going to warn him, which is why he has the first note about being warned.


However general staff consensus AFTER further reviewer his previous notes lead to a actual ban.

It would of been a warning, but his past notes and history increased it to a ban.

[Westhybrid]

SIserith was banned because his fuel fiasco resulted in a number of people going up in flames. He did this, despite us telling him it has the risk of affecting atmos AND was a meta-issue. His prior notes combined with his actions on the server today resulted in a justified 24 hour ban.

Siserith, by the time we finish getting over this, your ban will be up. It's a day, not an eternity, and it was entirely justified, because littering the hangar with jet fuel is not a bright idea, and resulted in injury. If you were mindful of any rules we have concerning meta, griefing and the like, you wouldn't have done what you did. Serve your time.

[Siserith Vassada]

SIserith was banned because his fuel fiasco resulted in a number of people going up in flames. He did this, despite us telling him it has the risk of affecting atmos AND was a meta-issue. His prior notes combined with his actions on the server today resulted in a justified 24 hour ban.

Siserith, by the time we finish getting over this, your ban will be up. It's a day, not an eternity, and it was entirely justified, because littering the hangar with jet fuel is not a bright idea, and resulted in injury. If you were mindful of any rules we have concerning meta, griefing and the like, you wouldn't have done what you did. Serve your time.

as said earlier. the ban is justified in meta issues and it is a kind of griffy action. but i am still adamant that the fire harmed no one

[Allan1234]

well then with that I will see about this appeal getting handled and closed.

[Siserith Vassada]

really thogh i am adamant that the welder fires do not affect atmos or hurt anyone. phoron fires do. welder fires dont. wyatt was right in saying that no one seems to understand the issue of welder fuel fires not actually doing anything for some reason and having that as part of a reason to this imo is just wrong

seriously test this shit out.

[Allan1234]

Ok so I have tested and the fuel does not do any damage. So you are right in this regard. I will talk to pink on this

[Siserith Vassada]

wow. thank you. you actually tried it instead of throwing it out of the window like everyone else. thats all i wanted. was for someone to understand that the fuel does no damage.

[Feweh]

Ok so I have tested and the fuel does not do any damage. So you are right in this regard. I will talk to pink on this

Ban wasnt placed for the harm of fellow marines, it was placed for spreading welding fuel all over the hangar. Wether it did damage or not isnt the issue, the issue is that it caused a fire which caused issues among the marines who THOUGHT it was a normal fire.


Just like wed ban someone fore causing any other atmospheric issue EVEN if it killed no one.

Once AGAIN Allan, please READ. West banned him, i dealt with him earlier and gave him a warning. West placed the ban, however it was a decision by all 3 of us.

[Siserith Vassada]

the real problem i had was that it was listed as one of the ban reason that i caused harm to marines. which did not happen. which also looks bad on my dang notes when someone says somthing along the lines of causing a fire injuring multiple marines. when no one was injured nor would they have been. the only reason i created this is because i saw problem with that as part of the reason for the ban. not the fact that i put the fuel down. but the fact that it was listed that i caused harm to people although no harm was actually caused to them

[Feweh]

the real problem i had was that it was listed as one of the ban reason that i caused harm to marines. which did not happen. which also looks bad on my dang notes when someone says somthing along the lines of causing a fire injuring multiple marines. when no one was injured nor would they have been. the only reason i created this is because i saw problem with that as part of the reason for the ban. not the fact that i put the fuel down. but the fact that it was listed that i caused harm to people although no harm was actually caused to them

You did cause harm.

You caused a non damaging fire to spread which gave off the impression of a real fire.

This happened DURING a assault by XENO's and forced marines to run and changed their strategy. It caused 3 marines alone to RUN into electrified grills while they fled from the fire.

The fire didnt directly cause damage, but indirectly one marine was killed and 2 others were harmed by the electrified grills. In my defense, checking logs we saw burn damage.. which clearly then is solely from electrified grills.

However, all that said.
This happened SOLELY because of your actions and no one else.

All of this WOULD of been a simple warning. Due to your previous notes and history you where given a ban.

[Siserith Vassada]

but how do you know it caused them to run into the grilles. in the course of the battle i saw two separate people run into grilles before the shuttle arrived(but i could have missed somthing)on the side the fire happend. but that wasant at the same time of the fire. i understand i should never of put the dang welding fuel. but dropping the blame for other incidents caused in the battle on someone who caused in truth no real harm to the round itself is just terrible. and it looks bad all around.

please dont drop incidents that happen over the course of battle at my feet. people make their own decisions of what they do. people also make mistakes. and more than one thing happens. the battle lasted about ten mintues after all and to say everyone actions in one battle is caused by someone who caused a puff of flame that did not mess up atmos nor hurt anyone turns me into a salted fish.

i may also add that for whatever reason this welder fire also does not spread past the ignition point. any tile touched by sparks with welder fuel on it will catch fire but dont treat it like some massive non damaging fireball engulfed the entire hanger because thats not what freaking happend.

(i apologize for rapidly updating these post repeatedly right after posting them. i like to correct my spelling errors and make what i say seem a bit more reasonable and to make sure i cover everything.)

[Feweh]

but how do you know it caused them to run into the grilles. in the course of the battle i saw two seprate people run into grilles before the shuttle arrived(but i could have missed somthing)on the side the fire happend. but that wasant at the same time of the fire. i understand i should never of put the dang welding fuel. but dropping the blame for other incidents caused in the battle on someone who caused in truth no real harm to the round itself is just terrible. and it looks bad all around.

please dont drop incidents that happen over the course of battle at my feet. people make their own decisions of what they do. people also make mistakes. and more than one thing happens. the battle lasted about ten mintues after all and to say everyones actions in one battle is caused by someone who caused a puff of flame that did not mess up atmos nor hurt anyone turns me into a salted fish.

Let me put it this way.

If you caused a phoron fire in Engineering purposely because you "felt like" releasing phoron everywhere which caught fire and it didn't harm ANYONE OR ANYTHING... We'd still ban you. We have strict rules regarding atmospherics and purposely causing problems. This is the same situation, except PEOPLE WHERE HARMED INDIRECTLY BY THIS.

This is a perfect example of doing something purely to cause problems. There was NO reason for you to be spreading welding fuel everywhere, you said it yourself right? Nothing good could of come from it.

One marine was killed because he had to leave his position because it caught fire and the other two ran south right into the grills. That's not to mention the micro fires that started on the west side of the shuttle, I wasn't even watching those enough to give a fair account of the outcome.

Do you understand?

[Siserith Vassada]

i understand that i should not of spread welder fuel. but whose to say that marine was running from a crusher about to smack the grille or a queen getting close about to screech. and yes. i did put the fuel out with no reason. but it sure as hell wasant to cause some harm(i just wasant thinking at the time everyone has those moments) and while neither of us have and freaking video proof of this you seem to be of the opinion that i am a hardend profession greifer who has nothing better to do with his time than greif. but oh no. these marines surely weren't going after the aliens that were getting through the south side of the ship. or running from a queens screach. heck this fire happend before the xenos landed(i think)or during one of the intermittent periods in which they went back and forth.

what i understand is that i shouldant of put down the welding fuel in the first place. not why you keep laying every other thing that happend during the course of the hanger defense at my feet

[Lostmixup]

I think the point pink is trying to make is that you shouldn't have spread it in the first place. Spreading it around confused the marines because they weren't sure if it was a welder fire or not. It probably caused some form of panic to ensue, which didn't help anyone.

Originally, pink simply wanted to warn you and move on because it didn't cause anyone any real damage (like when you mop floors), but after talking with west it seem they decided to instead ban you based on your previous history of shenanigans.

I agree that it wasn't the most bannable thing in the world, but based on your previous notes and such I can see where the staff are coming form when they did ban you. If you were playing with no notes, you probably would not have been banned and would've instead been given a warning.

Also, West was the one that issued the final ban, not Pink, so don't give pink so much flak for this.

[Siserith Vassada]

the only part of this i'me trying to dispute is the fact that they said it caused harm to marines which to everything i saw and encountered never happend. the bad has it's place and was placed with good reason. and i understand how my the previous incidents have affected the ban time and the ban itself. (also previous incidents with pink sort of make him very dislikable to me so i'me sorry for pointing most of this at you pink) but i just want to dispute the part of it that says i harmed people because to all my knowledge of the events that unfolded. i didn't see a damn person but me hurt by it. and it to me. looks bad to have something that to me is very false pointed at me.

[Lostmixup]

the only part of this i'me trying to dispute is the fact that they said it caused harm to marines which to everything i saw and encountered never happend. the bad has it's place and was placed with good reason. and i understand how my the previous incidents have affected the ban time and the ban itself. (also previous incidents with pink sort of make him very dislikable to me so i'me sorry for pointing most of this at you pink) but i just want to dispute the part of it that says i harmed people because to all my knowledge of the events that unfolded. i didn't see a damn person but me hurt by it. and it to me. looks bad to have something that to me is very false pointed at me.

Like I said, it probably just confused some of the marines into thinking that it was an actual dangerous fire. Which may have caused them to run into an electric grille, or do something else that was dumb. That's about it though.

[Siserith Vassada]

i'me half sure that some people skipped along from line to lind. but this thing has gone into a shitpost. in my onpinion i felt that while i should of not placed down that fuel. it did not actually direcly(and in my opinion indirectly) hurt anyone. and all i wanted was that to be fixed in my notes and ban message. but then it turned into a ball of confusion and wall of text

[Feweh]

The main issue that we only noticed in the last hour or so was that West forgot to leave the real ban notes.

People were basing your ban off the note's that I left. Which where the notes I left when I said "I'm warning you because I'm nice"

West should of left proper ban notes as to why we decided to give you a ban in the end.

[Ordukai]

The reason for the ban (Written by WestHybrid reads "Griefing: Layered the hangar with fuel, resulting the the injury of multiple marines. Banned 24 hours."

The notes (Written by Feweh) read: "Put welding fuel in the hangar when aliens were attacking.. This of course backfired and a few marines were burned when a electric grill was touched. Gave him a warning, when honestly.. he deserved a ban. Any warning next will be a ban because of this though."

As far as Siserith was aware, his notes were "Griefing: Layered the hangar with fuel, resulting the the injury of multiple marines. Banned 24 hours.". This sat poorly with him (Rightfully so) because that description of the issue didn't accurately represent what happened, and worse it would reflect more poorly upon him in the future than it ought to. Thus, this topic was created to clear things up.

Fortunately there is an easy fix: Feweh simply needs to change his notes to more accurately describe the issue now that everything is (Hopefully) a lot clearer to everyone.