Artyom's Second Unban Appeal

[Artyom]

I don't see anywhere in this thread, you giving us a reason to change our minds about you being banned.

I want to play on the server again, and I'm not a griefer. When you guys originally banned me somebody (from the staff) actually said to me, "Try to make an appeal in like a few months," or something like that.
You were going to ban me for only a week but you said I didn't seem like I cared so you banned me permanently.

[apophis775]

You also had a silly amount of notes.

You say your not a griefer, but you ahelp spammed John Cena, which is considered Griefer Behavior here. Hell, Hippiestation would probably ban for that shit.

[Artyom]

You also had a silly amount of notes.

You say your not a griefer, but you ahelp spammed John Cena, which is considered Griefer Behavior here. Hell, Hippiestation would probably ban for that shit.

Ahelp spamming John Cena isn't griefing... I'm not saying it wasn't OK to do. But it was definitely NOT griefing.


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[Feweh]

Ahelp spamming John Cena isn't griefing... I'm not saying it wasn't OK to do. But it was definitely NOT griefing.


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This is definitely not how you appeal, the purpose isn't for you to prove anyone wrong here.
You understood what he men't, yet you're response is instead to correct him by a slight of definition?

[Artyom]

This is definitely not how you appeal, the purpose isn't for you to prove anyone wrong here.
You understood what he men't, yet you're response is instead to correct him by a slight of definition?

No I don't understand what he meant, I don't know what he's trying to prove. Like I know I spammed '"John Cena" to a degree, and I'm not going to do it again. But what else do you want me to say? How I know how to not spam John Cena in ahelp?
Like there isn't much to argue there.

[Feweh]

I've supported your previous appeal and I'm pretty sure I gave you a +1 to be un-banned as well.
I'm starting to notice a serious trend with you.

Apop made a blatant and obvious point that nothing has changed from our stance to un-ban you. There's 0 benefit or reason for us to unban you so you have to give us a good reason that you deserve to come back. We don't care if it's "obvious' you won't yell John Cena again we care that you're a different person and won't cause problems again.You weren't perm banned for just yelling John Cena, you were removed for a shit attitude all together.

So far you simply came back and made another appeal and didn't give us anything new. You think that if you return every month and just post the same generic appeal that something will change? because it won't.

Apop is simply asking you what is different from your last appeal, as in give us something about yourself to work with. Clearly your last couple of appeals didn't work, so if you're going to appeal maybe try a different approach instead of the same standards.

Another thing that really bothers me.

I really don't know if your response to his questions is just your own stupidity.. and for you sake, I'm hoping you just didn't understand. Honesty though, it looks like to me that you're giving attitude because you feel like you've said "I won't" do it again" and feel like thats all you can do to get unbanned. Then to top it off you go a step further and fucking nit pick wording to correct the host with a definition. Really, what the hell would that accomplish?

Like really, who the fuck does that in a appeal?

Once again, you're either generally a stupid individual or you just have a shit attitude. So please, tell me which one is it? Because every question here has been straight fucking forward so far.
If I was you, I'd take a step back and rethink your approach to this whole appeal because you're blowing this one to shit again and it's probably your last chance before we just start looking back on all your other appeals and just start denying you.

[Artyom]

I've supported your previous appeal and I'm pretty sure I gave you a +1 to be un-banned as well.
I'm starting to notice a serious trend with you.

Apop made a blatant and obvious point that nothing has changed from our stance to un-ban you. There's 0 benefit or reason for us to unban you so you have to give us a good reason that you deserve to come back. We don't care if it's "obvious' you won't yell John Cena again we care that you're a different person and won't cause problems again.You weren't perm banned for just yelling John Cena, you were removed for a shit attitude all together.

So far you simply came back and made another appeal and didn't give us anything new. You think that if you return every month and just post the same generic appeal that something will change? because it won't.

Apop is simply asking you what is different from your last appeal, as in give us something about yourself to work with. Clearly your last couple of appeals didn't work, so if you're going to appeal maybe try a different approach instead of the same standards.

Another thing that really bothers me.

I really don't know if your response to his questions is just your own stupidity.. and for you sake, I'm hoping you just didn't understand. Honesty though, it looks like to me that you're giving attitude because you feel like you've said "I won't" do it again" and feel like thats all you can do to get unbanned. Then to top it off you go a step further and fucking nit pick wording to correct the host with a definition. Really, what the hell would that accomplish?

Like really, who the fuck does that in a appeal?

Once again, you're either generally a stupid individual or you just have a shit attitude. So please, tell me which one is it? Because every question here has been straight fucking forward so far.
If I was you, I'd take a step back and rethink your approach to this whole appeal because you're blowing this one to shit again and it's probably your last chance before we just start looking back on all your other appeals and just start denying you.

Apophis said that I was a griefer because I spammed shit in ahelp. This simply isn't griefing. If you have a problem with me looking up the definition of griefing and it not being spamming ahelp, and then me posting it on the forums to show evidence why spamming in ahelp is not griefing, then you need to reconsider how people argue about things. In an argument you need evidence to back up your case.

I've made two appeals including this one. I don't come back "every month" to make an appeal. It may seem like that though since mine has been up for a month.

My last appeal was denied for this reason,
"Oh yeah. forgot about this
DENIED.
We have relations with Yogs now, and I can't get involved letting someone who does things like that back on our server."
It was denied because I did something on Yogstation, a server in which I absolutely despise. There isn't much different from my last appeal, it has been longer, but I'm making another because I feel the last appeal was denied for some stupid reasoning.

I didn't understand because I thought there had already been reasons given for my unbanning. If you look for everything before Apop's first post you will see plenty of reasoning. I did then respond with a few extra reasons why I should be unbanned, although I probably should've added that I'd improved in many ways.

Thanks for insulting my intelligence by the way, that really helps your case.
My other SINGULAR APPEAL will hold some reasoning for me to be unbanned.

[Lostmixup]

Quick note, that definition is from urban dictionary. Griefing is a generally subjective term and varies from game to game and person to person. An urban dictionary definition -even if it's the most upvoted- does represent an concrete definition of something.

[apophis775]

So, I say:

You say your not a griefer, but you ahelp spammed John Cena, which is considered Griefer Behavior here.

And your response is post an urban dictionary? Guess what, type GRIEFING into google and you get this:

"A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.[2]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer


I don't give a shit about you attempting to "correct" me because you think I'm wrong. I asked you for a REASON and you decided to go off on a tangent.


If you can't do something as simple as give us a WHY we should unban you, then I don't really see a reason we SHOULD unban you. You weren't a griefer JUST for the John Cena stuff, but because of your past shit actions overall.

Ignore the John Cena stuff, and you still have a shit player:

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Stunned and attacked a MP for some "Crayons", BO saw this and tried to get him to freeze... A shootout followed and he be-headed the BO. Then falsely reported the event's to use by Ahelp with a completely different story. by on Sun, September 6th of 2015 Remove

So.

I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to give us a SINGLE REASON or explanation for us to believe that you've changed at all or you won't be a total shit again. Because honestly, I'm not impressed with the way you've handled this when I literally asked you to give us a reason to change our mind about the ban, and you posted a "correction" at me (from a vote-definition website that famously defines a penis as "The tool used to wean and convert lesbians and virgins into useful, productive members of society."), when I asked you a question is not the way to convince us to unban you.

[Artyom]

So, I say:


And your response is post an urban dictionary? Guess what, type GRIEFING into google and you get this:

"A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.[2]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer


I don't give a shit about you attempting to "correct" me because you think I'm wrong. I asked you for a REASON and you decided to go off on a tangent.


If you can't do something as simple as give us a WHY we should unban you, then I don't really see a reason we SHOULD unban you. You weren't a griefer JUST for the John Cena stuff, but because of your past shit actions overall.

Ignore the John Cena stuff, and you still have a shit player:

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Stunned and attacked a MP for some "Crayons", BO saw this and tried to get him to freeze... A shootout followed and he be-headed the BO. Then falsely reported the event's to use by Ahelp with a completely different story. by on Sun, September 6th of 2015 Remove

So.

I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to give us a SINGLE REASON or explanation for us to believe that you've changed at all or you won't be a total shit again. Because honestly, I'm not impressed with the way you've handled this when I literally asked you to give us a reason to change our mind about the ban, and you posted a "correction" at me (from a vote-definition website that famously defines a penis as "The tool used to wean and convert lesbians and virgins into useful, productive members of society."), when I asked you a question is not the way to convince us to unban you.

It didn't seem like you asked me for a reason, it seemed like you were stating that I was a griefer because I'd spammed ahelp once.
I still don't get your question, a reason for what? Why you should unban me or why I spammed ahelp the one time?

If I assumed everything you said was right then whatever you said would be law whether or not there is a different answer. I wasn't trying to act like a smartass, I was trying to point out that I didn't think spamming ahelp wasn't griefer behavior backed up with evidence I thought was right.

That note is absolute horseshit. I can't prove it but it is, you can read my version of the notes for my version of the story.

Anyways I personally don't think spamming ahelp with about 3-5 messages is griefer behavior. Griefer behavior in my books is more along the lines of breaching the Sulaco or altering atmos so the whole ship is filled with plasma and kills every marine. Never once did I do something like that. Infact 95% of the people I killed had shot me first with lethals.


Anyway, a reason for you to unban me is because I have changed behavior and you can look it up on other servers. I primarily played Hippie after my ban so that would be the best place to look.
SAS stated this in his first or second post.

[apophis775]

Our definition of griefing, is the one I posted in my last message. Breaching the sulaco or altering atmos lines is insta-permabannable behavior.

I was asking for YOU to give us a reason, not something someone else said.

I see your notes, and I see someone who doesn't take our rounds serious and just screws around. Yes, it's a game, and meant for fun, but it's not meant for you to go around acting like we don't have rules at all.

I personally HATE when people use the excuse "Sorry, I'm used to hippie station" as a reason for things. It's not just shitty as an excuse, but it's showing that you don't even respect hippie station when you use it as a reason to grief.

You want me to ask around, because so far, I've gotten negative feedback from 2 separate people that work on other servers and are not associated with our server, who just happened to notice that you had a ban appeal here or were told about it. I'll post in host-chat, to see if you've really "changed" or if your still a shitter. Because there's no other way to describe your playstyle. You bounce between legit rounds and being someone who acts like a total and complete shit, and we don't really have room for people like that on CM, especially with the new RP guidelines and ruleset.

[Artyom]

Our definition of griefing, is the one I posted in my last message. Breaching the sulaco or altering atmos lines is insta-permabannable behavior.

I was asking for YOU to give us a reason, not something someone else said.

I see your notes, and I see someone who doesn't take our rounds serious and just screws around. Yes, it's a game, and meant for fun, but it's not meant for you to go around acting like we don't have rules at all.

I personally HATE when people use the excuse "Sorry, I'm used to hippie station" as a reason for things. It's not just shitty as an excuse, but it's showing that you don't even respect hippie station when you use it as a reason to grief.

You want me to ask around, because so far, I've gotten negative feedback from 2 separate people that work on other servers and are not associated with our server, who just happened to notice that you had a ban appeal here or were told about it. I'll post in host-chat, to see if you've really "changed" or if your still a shitter. Because there's no other way to describe your playstyle. You bounce between legit rounds and being someone who acts like a total and complete shit, and we don't really have room for people like that on CM, especially with the new RP guidelines and ruleset.

The reason you see that in my notes is because notes are meant to report people for shitty behavior. I mean you're not gonna get anything good about the person from looking at their notes.

It wouldn't be considered griefing to kill someone who shot you with lethals on Hippie, nor would it be to disarm a security guy when he's chasing you, stun him with his own taser, then run away. As I said before, I've never done anything round ruining. Like MAJOR griefing.

Which server(s) have you been looking on? Because if they had "heard" about my ban appeal then they probably have a grudge against me and want to fuck with my appeal.

My playstyle basically consists of this,
1. Is command and/or MP's shit? If not, go fight aliens. If so, proceed to step two.
2. Stop MP's for arresting people for shitty reasons and yell insults at the command.
3. Get on the MP shitlist and be hunted.
4. If command have smartened up, disguise as an unknown and go to the planet to fight aliums, if command is still shit, proceed to step five.
5. Start a mutiny on the radio because if we don't have good command then we never get to fight aliums. (and possibly forget I have to ask permission from admins to mutiny)
6. Get overrun by aliens while trying to mutiny against command and retreat to escape pods.
7. Probably die while defending the escape pods.

It all depends on if the command are shit tbh
of course this is what got me banned, so if I get unbanned I'll just go fight the aliens whether or not command is shit.

[apophis775]

Well, I looked up on other servers, and noticed that you've got a fair amount of negative notes JUST FROM DECEMBER.

Also, while the host said none of the bans were "too bad" the general opinion in hostchat (across all the servers), is that your a generally shit player.

These are your hippie notes from the last 30 days:

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2015-12-07 20:52:32 | Hippie Station 13 | 
Idiot
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2015-12-12 03:55:47 | Hippie Station 13 |
Banned from Captain, Head of Personnel, Head of Security, Chief Engineer, Research Director, Chief Medical Officer - One human'd the AI as a non antag captain.
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2015-12-12 03:55:47 | Hippie Station 13 |
Banned for 1440 minutes - See jobban.
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2015-12-22 02:21:04 | Hippie Station 13 |
Banned for 1440 minutes - Beat a guy into crit as he spawned in because "I was being a cuck."
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2015-12-23 23:43:12 | Hippie Station 13 |
Banned from OOC - Don't spam OOC with copypasta.

Honestly, the Job-ban I'm not as worried about, but the last 2 bans, are literally shit you've repeated here.

I'm pretty sure, if we unban you, you'll do the same shit you did before. You claimed that if I looked you up, I'd see that you've changed, but I see the same behavior and Bans for being shit on Hippiestation, which are fairly difficult to get.

I'm not sure if the reason you break so many rules might be because your younger, or because you don't understand, or because you simply don't care. But based on the references from other servers, your actions here in the past, I'm going to deny this appeal again.

You just don't seem like someone who contributes to the round overall. Unless you have some additional evidence that you've changed or someone from another server who isn't going to give negative feedback about you, I'm going to again rule this as denied.

[Artyom]

Well, I looked up on other servers, and noticed that you've got a fair amount of negative notes JUST FROM DECEMBER.

Also, while the host said none of the bans were "too bad" the general opinion in hostchat (across all the servers), is that your a generally shit player.

These are your hippie notes from the last 30 days:

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2015-12-07 20:52:32 | Hippie Station 13 | 
Idiot
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2015-12-12 03:55:47 | Hippie Station 13 |
Banned from Captain, Head of Personnel, Head of Security, Chief Engineer, Research Director, Chief Medical Officer - One human'd the AI as a non antag captain.
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2015-12-12 03:55:47 | Hippie Station 13 |
Banned for 1440 minutes - See jobban.
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2015-12-22 02:21:04 | Hippie Station 13 |
Banned for 1440 minutes - Beat a guy into crit as he spawned in because "I was being a cuck."
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2015-12-23 23:43:12 | Hippie Station 13 |
Banned from OOC - Don't spam OOC with copypasta.

Honestly, the Job-ban I'm not as worried about, but the last 2 bans, are literally shit you've repeated here.

I'm pretty sure, if we unban you, you'll do the same shit you did before. You claimed that if I looked you up, I'd see that you've changed, but I see the same behavior and Bans for being shit on Hippiestation, which are fairly difficult to get.

I'm not sure if the reason you break so many rules might be because your younger, or because you don't understand, or because you simply don't care. But based on the references from other servers, your actions here in the past, I'm going to deny this appeal again.

You just don't seem like someone who contributes to the round overall. Unless you have some additional evidence that you've changed or someone from another server who isn't going to give negative feedback about you, I'm going to again rule this as denied.

The ban from OOC was solved, I wasn't spamming a copypasta in OOC, I was showing people what the copypasta was. I put it once in OOC and got OOC banned for it, so I talked to the admins and they cleared it up.
but they still left the notes the cunts

The other instance is an instance in where I had accidentally hit the guy and he hit me back, a fight ensued and I took him to the medbay after. Still got banned. I said I was being a cuck because a more viable option would be to try and talk him out of hitting me.

The one human thing was a premature ban I think, I was going to add more laws to the AI with freeform after I said I was the only human; and then add something like "Non-humans are essential to the station."

don't know what the idiot thing is.

Of course there's no way to prove any of this which makes it a game of who siad what.

[apophis775]

But you told me to contact them as they'd speak to your defense.

[Artyom]

But you told me to contact them as they'd speak to your defense.

You only got their notes on me, and like I said notes are for reporting shitty behavior only. Not really contacting them directly.
But if you look at my notes now they are WAY less than I have on this server.

[SASoperative]

Allow me to explain something real quick. WE DID CONTACT THEM DIRECTLY. How do you think we obtained your notes there in the first place?
Second off. I still do not see a valid reason of My notes are way less than I have on this server. They are STILL NOTES thus showing that you had done something that had acquired administrative attention
Third off. I still do not see a actual REASON of why we should let you come back. I still only see you attempting to argue with us. Just give us a VALID reason. That is all Apop asked of you and you still have failed to give one. If this keeps up I am just going to close this and deny it. Start giving us a reason instead of arguing and taking up more of our time. I am no longer going to sugar coat this. Give me a reason to unban you and I will don't give me all these other things like I have changed behavior elsewhere. That attitude still does not explain a valid reason on why we should unban you. You can always just change right back to your old self the instant you come back or to be honest you really have still not changed much at all in my eyes.

[Artyom]

Allow me to explain something real quick. WE DID CONTACT THEM DIRECTLY. How do you think we obtained your notes there in the first place?
Second off. I still do not see a valid reason of My notes are way less than I have on this server. They are STILL NOTES thus showing that you had done something that had acquired administrative attention
Third off. I still do not see a actual REASON of why we should let you come back. I still only see you attempting to argue with us. Just give us a VALID reason. That is all Apop asked of you and you still have failed to give one. If this keeps up I am just going to close this and deny it. Start giving us a reason instead of arguing and taking up more of our time. I am no longer going to sugar coat this. Give me a reason to unban you and I will don't give me all these other things like I have changed behavior elsewhere. That attitude still does not explain a valid reason on why we should unban you. You can always just change right back to your old self the instant you come back or to be honest you really have still not changed much at all in my eyes.

Alright, here's my reason. I want to play on the server again and fight aliens/marines like I did before I was banned. If you unban me I will wipe my characters and you can even have me on probation or something. Like job banned from all heads or something like that.

I just miss the server and what it has to offer.

[Feweh]

On one hand I really want to give you another chance. I seriously think most of us and even SAS are just grasping for reasons to unban you.

On the otherhand the more you write in your appeal the more I see of the same shitlord. The argueing, blaming and the shitty excuses are just all too familiar.

I cant tell if you just suck at appealing because youre young and dont understand, or youre just still a asshole.

Im leaning more towards the asshole part because the evidence just keeps pilling up. Two notes alone in december... thats quite a lot. We usually debate perm banning people when they reach 8-10 negative notes.

How could we justify unbanning someone who averages 2 notes a month. Before I was staff on this server I had 1 note on my entire account in the span of 7 months.

I just dont know what else to say about you. You give us nothing everytime you appeal, its the same shit with little improvement.

[Artyom]

On one hand I really want to give you another chance. I seriously think most of us and even SAS are just grasping for reasons to unban you.

On the otherhand the more you write in your appeal the more I see of the same shitlord. The argueing, blaming and the shitty excuses are just all too familiar.

I cant tell if you just suck at appealing because youre young and dont understand, or youre just still a asshole.

Im leaning more towards the asshole part because the evidence just keeps pilling up. Two notes alone in december... thats quite a lot. We usually debate perm banning people when they reach 8-10 negative notes.

How could we justify unbanning someone who averages 2 notes a month. Before I was staff on this server I had 1 note on my entire account in the span of 7 months.

I just dont know what else to say about you. You give us nothing everytime you appeal, its the same shit with little improvement.

I've gotten two notes in the 6 months I was banned. I don't average two notes a month. I suggest you stop misrepresenting data in literally every one of your posts on this thread.

"You give us nothing everytime you appeal" I've appealed TWICE including this one. Again misrepresenting data. I thought it was just an accident until now. Now it's really getting on my fucking nerves.

And calling me an asshole? Seriously? Honestly if you aren't going to contribute something useful to the unban appeal then get out.

[Feweh]

When you were first banned it was actually me who attempted to get you a time-banned instead of a perm-ban. Infact I was the one who took the full brute of your stupidity and actions in game to the point I had to ask APOP to get on. When you put up a appeal last time, I voted to give you another chance despite others opinion on you.

Since your appeal here we've asked you to give us a reason to unban you and show us how you've changed. Yet all you've done in your OWN appeal is cherry pick on "wording", argue EVERYTHING and show off your still existent shit attitude. You've managed to not only piss off the Host of the server but one of the few staff members who actually supported you previously.

Understand, that when you act like an asshole and talk like an asshole don't be fucking upset when someone calls you one.
I guess in your universe though, yelling JOHN CENA, spamming AHelps and being a "cuck" isn't assholish behavior though.

Nothing has changed about you, if you're willing to act like this in a appeal then you're a ticking time bomb in-game.

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[Artyom]

When you were first banned it was actually me who attempted to get you a time-banned instead of a perm-ban. Infact I was the one who took the full brute of your stupidity and actions in game to the point I had to ask APOP to get on. When you put up a appeal last time, I voted to give you another chance despite others opinion on you.

Since your appeal here we've asked you to give us a reason to unban you and show us how you've changed. Yet all you've done in your OWN appeal is cherry pick on "wording", argue EVERYTHING and show off your still existent shit attitude. You've managed to not only piss off the Host of the server but one of the few staff members who actually supported you previously.

Understand, that when you act like an asshole and talk like an asshole don't be fucking upset when someone calls you one.
I guess in your universe though, yelling JOHN CENA, spamming AHelps and being a "cuck" isn't assholish behavior though.

Nothing has changed about you, if you're willing to act like this in a appeal then you're a ticking time bomb in-game.

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Honestly you can go and fuck off, ever since I met you you've been an asshole to me. I think you being "nice" is actually just making it seem like you weren't trying to get me banned the whole time. You've been misrepresenting data in pretty much every one of your posts in this thread. "oh we'll just look at your thousands of other appeals and find reasons to ban you!" "you got two bans in December! that means you average TWO BANS A MONTH!"

Seriously fuck off, I don't want you to post in this thread again. I don't want to be associated with you in any way. It seems like you've had a grudge against me ever since I first encountered you. Which was when I was Queen, doing Queen things, and you decided to pester the absolute fuck out of my in LOOC saying "shit queen doesn't plant enough eggs" "queen seriously dont play queen again if you're so bad"

[Artyom]

What browsing the appeal tells me about your character, you are an innately toxic player and I wouldn't like to see you on the server. Saying 'Fuck off' to a moderator is the final nail in the coffin, I believe.

Edit: '... Never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.' Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions "Meditations XVII" Written by John Donne.

That moderator has been an absolute cunt to be ever since I met him. I don't care what his rank is.

[apophis775]

You only got their notes on me, and like I said notes are for reporting shitty behavior only. Not really contacting them directly.
But if you look at my notes now they are WAY less than I have on this server.

THose are the last 30 days only. And I did contact them directly, was told you were a shitter.


This appeal has descended into madness.

I'm literally looking for a reason to unban you, or a demonstration that you've changed and your not going to do the same thing as before, but all I see, is repeats of similar behavior that lead up to the ban.

For now, this is Denied. I'm also deleting the comments made by people breaking rule 2...