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Freeders' Ban Appeal

Post by Freeders » 02 Jun 2016, 21:40

Your Byond ID:
Freeders

Character Name:
Cole 'Slush' Sabin, if I remember correctly.

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban):
Permaban

Admin who banned you (if known):
Apophis, IIRC.

Total Ban Duration:
N/A

Remaining Duration:
N/A

What other servers do you play on?
None anymore, most seem to have either too much griefing or too much in-group favoritism (not to mention OOC chat that flies by at the speed of light)

Are you now or have you been banned on any of them?
l can't recall anything serious. I've been around SS13 for some three and a half years now so many of the servers I used to play on aren't around anymore, therefore I just checked a few of the current servers on the BYOND list that I recognize and I'm not banned in any. Paradise Station maybe? I used to have a little too much fun when I was learning atmospherics so probably a day ban or two.

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):
Banned by host: F24NOV2015 - Welderbombing, griefing, long notes. Placed by Host.

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):
N/A

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):
So as you can see this was around seven months ago and I was pretty bummed when it happened, and I just slowly sort of stopped playing SS13. Recently had a reinterest but as I stated above I don't really care for the other servers; CM was where I spent most of my time.

I'd been a fairly regular for over a year (started when we wore solid colored jumpsuits and had to wait in the DMV-esque line at the logistics desk for squad assignment) so I'd acquired some warnings (notes?) over time and a timed ban or two for getting a little crazy. Then one evening I was a bored Maintenance Tech on a relatively slow round when I decided I'd stir up some action by welderbombing the Engineering storage area with the broken APC in it. It was rather underwhelming and Apo was not amused, so upon reviewing my record he decided a permaban was appropriate. I don't disagree with that and I won't be surprised or upset if this is denied. I kept getting away with things until the reality of a permanent ban shut me out from my favorite evening activity.

Sooo I'll just say that I am sorry for my actions and would like to put this matter behind us. I look forward to playing on the Colonial Marines server again.

I hope that you will accept my apologies,

Freeders
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Re: Freeders' Ban Appeal

Post by Varnock » 02 Jun 2016, 21:49

Investigating now, please wait warmly.
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Re: Freeders' Ban Appeal

Post by Varnock » 02 Jun 2016, 23:30

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Was banned for attempting to blow up the hanger, shuttle area on purpose. by () on Fri, August 14th of 2015 

Banned for instigating a shootout by throwing a throwing knife at a person. by () on Mon, October 19th of 2015 

Randomly chucked a knife at another marine and then proceeded to suicide then log out. by  () on Sun, October 25th of 2015 

As a Bridge Officer, went down planetside to lead a charge. Given warning. by () on Mon, October 26th of 2015 

Shot someone into crit as server was rebooting by () on Sat, November 7th of 2015 

Banned from Commander, Executive Officer, Bridge Officer, Military Police, Corporate Liason, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer - Shot himself as the XO infront of every marine in briefing for no reason. by () on Sun, November 8th of 2015 Remove

Ranting about furries in Global. by () on Sun, November 15th of 2015 

Welder-bombed Engineering storage by () on Tue, November 24th of 2015
You seemed to be quite fond of explosions, suicide, and assault, friend.

BUT, these are all from last year, which I assume is due to the perma from notes stacking up AND you came up and admitted you were wrong after waiting a solid amount of time. Still, these happened pretty close by each other, which I don't really like.

I'm going to look at a few of these incidents in particular now, specifically the ones where you instigated shootouts.

Incident 1: October 19th, 2015
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So, first off, I can't tell from logs if you lied to Lost here or not, BUT I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt in this instance since you were civil and accepted punishment without complaint.

Incident 2: October 25th 2015
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Cutting it there, I have enough for my opinion to be given.

My official verdict is a +1 for coming back, with a month probation, unless further investigation is requested.

Good luck and thank you for remaining civil.
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Re: Freeders' Ban Appeal

Post by Feweh » 03 Jun 2016, 00:04

Aside from being sorry, why should we give you another chance compared to the other guys also appealing perm bans?
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Re: Freeders' Ban Appeal

Post by apophis775 » 03 Jun 2016, 03:24

Do you have any other Ckeys?
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Re: Freeders' Ban Appeal

Post by Freeders » 03 Jun 2016, 17:45

Varnock wrote: Incident 1: October 19th, 2015

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[18:05:31]ATTACK: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) attacked Khalil Winton (countswagula) with a bottle. (INTENT: HURT) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=142;Y=160;Z=4'>JMP</a>)
[18:06:00]SAY: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin/Freeders : YOLO SWAG
[18:06:11]ATTACK: Jermain Anderson (javierkid) was hit by a the M37 Pump Shotgun, thrown by Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=158;Y=159;Z=4'>JMP</a>)
[18:06:16]ATTACK: Ryker Azoth (greenspider) was hit by a the inflatable barrier box, thrown by Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=157;Y=157;Z=4'>JMP</a>)
Your first minute of play already has some lovely examples...
I don't remember this nor recognize the character names but it does look pretty stupid.
Varnock wrote:

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[18:10:39]ATTACK: Fortune Curry (ricky101) was hit by a Throwing Knife, thrown by Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=170;Y=154;Z=3'>JMP</a>)
[18:10:40]ATTACK: Fortune Curry (ricky101) shot Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) with a the pistol bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=170;Y=153;Z=3'>JMP</a>)
[18:11:04]ATTACK: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) shot Fortune Curry (ricky101) with a the shotgun slug (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=165;Y=149;Z=3'>JMP</a>)
[18:11:15]SAY: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin/Freeders : IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS
The incident in question.

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[18:13:04]ADMIN: PM: Lostmixup/(Gage Carter)->Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin): Hello, why did you throw a throwing knife at a fellow marine?
[18:13:33]ADMIN: PM: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)->Lostmixup/(Gage Carter): I opened a box she was dragging and called her a dork then walked away when she pulled an M4A3 and started shooting
[18:13:44]ADMIN: PM: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)->Lostmixup/(Gage Carter): I ran away but she kept chasing and shooting
[18:14:12]ADMIN: PM: Lostmixup/(Gage Carter)->Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin): Cole it looks like you were hitting random people with things and you threw the throwing knife before they ever hit you
[18:14:43]ADMIN: PM: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)->Lostmixup/(Gage Carter): oh yeah that was just dicking around in the heat of the moment, never really hurt anyone
[18:15:14]ADMIN: PM: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)->Lostmixup/(Gage Carter): http://puu.sh/kQqDw/efb957fbb8.png
[18:15:43]ADMIN: PM: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)->Lostmixup/(Gage Carter): weird..
[18:16:01]ADMIN: PM: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)->Lostmixup/(Gage Carter): i only thew the knife because she was chasing me with a gun, i thought she fired first but i may be wrong
[18:17:48]ADMIN: PM: Lostmixup/(Gage Carter)->Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin): By the looks of things and based on a previous note, I'm going to give you a three hour ban for instigating the whole thing. 
[18:18:04]ADMIN: PM: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)->Lostmixup/(Gage Carter): fuk, that'll be bedtime
[18:18:08]ADMIN: PM: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)->Lostmixup/(Gage Carter): alright
[18:18:09]ADMIN: lostmixup has banned freeders.
Reason: Starting a shootout by throwing a throwing knife at someone.
This will be removed in 180 minutes.
[18:18:09]ACCESS: Logout: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)
And finally the ahelps related.

So, first off, I can't tell from logs if you lied to Lost here or not, BUT I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt in this instance since you were civil and accepted punishment without complaint.
I do remember this one. Let me preface the rest of my explanations by saying that I really enjoy roleplaying and that my character was the hot-headed, bully type, which as I'm typing this almost sounds like an excuse to grief, but I generally do try to make my in-character interactions fun for all parties.

I was walking through the Sulaco mess hall when I saw a marine dragging a crate so I thought it'd be funny to click it open so that the contents would fall out, followed by calling her a "dork" (my characters favorite insult) and briskly walking away. Except she drew her sidearm and started chasing after me, so I panicked, triggering something I can compare to, say, a threatening person approaching a police officer who has to make an instant decision to rapidly escalate their use of force.

I truly believe that, in that moment, my mind conjured that she began shooting first and so I threw a knife at her to slow her down, to which she responded by opening fire (for real this time) with a lot of bullets.

Now, I know I instigated this, but in my defense I was just trying to avoid my imminent death. Perhaps because I was running she was trying to stop me thinking that I was just murderous criminal scum evading arrest, but this led to me being wounded and backed into a corner of the barracks, so in self-defense I drew my shotgun and incapacitated her.

Unfortunately, I think she bled out and I did feel bad, hence the "IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS". Only after Lost messaged me did I scroll back through the chat log and discover that I did indeed attack first.
Varnock wrote: Incident 2: October 25th 2015

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[10:41:21]SAY: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin/Freeders : Nigger
[10:44:34]SAY: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin/Freeders : Fucking nigger
[10:46:59]SAY: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin/Freeders : Shut up you neanderthal nigger.
First of all, please watch your language in the future...
I can't think of ever saying that unless it was in some argument with a black character. I do wonder what was happening in those couple minutes between messages (though in the next log it seems I was disarming people at the same time?). In retrospect that's probably the worst insult I've ever used on anyone.
Varnock wrote:

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[10:45:19]ATTACK: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin) disarmed Alex Maceon (alexmaceon)
[10:45:27]ATTACK: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin) disarmed Jebediah Jackson (arachnidnexus)
[10:45:37]ATTACK: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin) disarmed Jack Knight (coroneljones)
[10:45:42]ATTACK: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin) disarmed Damon Kelly (guilleibco)
[10:45:43]ATTACK: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin) disarmed Damon Kelly (guilleibco)
[10:45:58]ATTACK: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin) disarmed Jack Knight (coroneljones)
[10:45:59]ATTACK: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin) disarmed Jack Knight (coroneljones)
Second of all you were randomly disarming people without any clear reason AND without any retaliation for the entire round. Copying them all would take up a GREAT deal of room, and it's literally all just you disarming and no one doing anything back. Hardly terrible, but still annoying as sin.

For a while after that you sit around some corpses and just mutilate them for what I can only assume is shits and giggles.
I had a newfound amusement with people being pushed over upon disarming them and hearing their reactions as I walked away before they could stand up to retaliate. Though there was only a chance on each disarm attempt that they would fall over so I had to do it repeatedly, doubling or tripling the amount of messages. Annoying, I understand.
Varnock wrote:

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[11:31:38]ATTACK: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin) attacked Platinumwolf621/(Xerxeas Minori) with ritual knife (INTENT: GRAB) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
Looked like a misclick, unsure.
Very will might have been a misclick. I think this was at the start of the Halloween event, the first rounds of which were largely player exploration of the map and lack of seriousness, so it's possible it was intentional. Still not allowed in those circumstances.
Varnock wrote:

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[11:33:44]ATTACK: Dylan Washington (astronaut1029) shot Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=105;Y=22;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[11:34:02]ATTACK: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) shot Hunter (62) (talkingcactus) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=114;Y=30;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[11:34:03]ATTACK: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) shot Hunter (62) (talkingcactus) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=115;Y=30;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[11:34:04]ATTACK: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) shot Hunter (62) (talkingcactus) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=115;Y=29;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[11:34:32]ATTACK: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) shot Unknown (as Xerxeas Minori) (platinumwolf621) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=118;Y=38;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[11:34:40]ATTACK: Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) shot Unknown (as Xerxeas Minori) (platinumwolf621) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=118;Y=39;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
Appears to have been mistakenly shot by a marine while firing on a hunter, proceeded to shoot them up afterwards.

Ghosts some time after, plays alien for a while, round ends.
Don't remember this. I would never shoot someone intentionally in a firefight in retaliation for friendly fire; that's childish. But I do tend to panic in close combat and I've never been particularly robust so I'm writing this off as a situation where I was probably spraying bullets at anything I thought was a potential threat.
Varnock wrote:

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[13:11:13]ATTACK: Luna 'Snowball' Alexander (halocat) was hit by a Throwing Knife, thrown by Cole 'Caboose' Sabin (freeders) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=151;Y=161;Z=4'>JMP</a>)
Another random knifethrow.

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[13:14:35]ADMIN: PM: TopHatPenguin/(TopHatPenguin)->Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin): Hello.
[13:14:41]ADMIN: PM: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)->TopHatPenguin/(TopHatPenguin): hello
[13:14:56]ADMIN: PM: TopHatPenguin/(TopHatPenguin)->Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin): So why did you chuck a throwing knife into that marine?
[13:15:09]ADMIN: PM: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)->TopHatPenguin/(TopHatPenguin): she was bullying me
[13:15:40]ADMIN: PM: TopHatPenguin/(TopHatPenguin)->Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin): That doesn't mean you throw a knife at them, you aren't a deranged killer. You are a marine.
[13:16:04]ADMIN: PM: TopHatPenguin/(TopHatPenguin)->Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin): Punching is fine but not throwing a knife.
[13:17:01]ADMIN: PM: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)->TopHatPenguin/(TopHatPenguin): i give up
[13:17:09]ACCESS: Logout: Freeders/(Cole 'Caboose' Sabin)
I recognize the name "Luna" as a character I didn't get along with ICly. I said she was bullying me so I probably did a "oh yeah? take this" which I understand was not warranted.
Varnock wrote: Cutting it there, I have enough for my opinion to be given.

My official verdict is a +1 for coming back, with a month probation, unless further investigation is requested.

Good luck and thank you for remaining civil.
I appreciate the forgiveness, sir. One month probation would be perfectly acceptable.

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Feweh wrote:Aside from being sorry, why should we give you another chance compared to the other guys also appealing perm bans?
I'm not really sure what the answer you're looking for is here and I don't want to put myself on a pedestal relative to the other guys, but after viewing the threads most of them don't seem to have used much effort.. On the other hand, you don't really have a reason to give me another chance. You would be taking a risk and I'm sure the server will stay just fine without me. Though I do like to think that I (usually) provided good roleplaying opportunities for others through my active participation in a way that was engaging and interesting. I can't be a mute, cardboard cutout marine/alien who just plays-to-win. In fact I never truly cared whether we won or lost a round (not that I didn't try to win), only that myself and others had fun.

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apophis775 wrote:Do you have any other Ckeys?
Yes, I briefly used "dietcoketm" after not wanting to use my real last name anymore but dropped it because I didn't feel like recreating all of my characters on servers I'd played. Not sure if I ever used it on CM though.
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Re: Freeders' Ban Appeal

Post by apophis775 » 29 Jun 2016, 16:56

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Re: Freeders' Ban Appeal

Post by Feweh » 14 Jul 2016, 13:22

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