Jeroen52 MP job-ban appeal

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Jeroen52 MP job-ban appeal

Post by Jeroen » 08 Oct 2016, 18:56

Your Byond ID: Jeroen52

Character Name: Hope Steele

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban): Job-ban

Admin who banned you (if known): maurovega

Total Ban Duration: Permanent?

Remaining Duration: N/A

What other servers do you play on? That is irrelevant, I only play actively on two SS13 servers.

Are you now or have you been banned on any of them? Only short job-bans for making human mistakes while in-character. Edit: I was mistaken, I once used a bug that would play an audio file in the server to everyone tuning in and it got me a 3 day ban. I did get time to code a meme food regarding that bug into the code and it is actually got merged into the code.

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned): Kept resseting a cell timer (crime was tresspasing) and when PM'ed kept liying,ontop of that did not properly brig the prisioner

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable): N/A

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): I have no chat with timestamp, admins have refused to make a pastebin with logs of me breaking the rules.
I was busy with someone who was detained for allegedly stealing an item from an MP, this caused a riot and got the player that eventually got me jobbanned run towards the brig.
The person climbed over a reinforced table at the brig, the windows were shot by those who rioted and the person gained access to the brig.
I chased the person with a flash, and after him running towards the south of the brig near Iso I flashed him.
I cuffed him, and after placing him in a chair and adding his crimes (and flashing the other detainee just to be sure) I placed him in a cell.
I did not strip this person from all the items, as the prisoner was not violent.
I set his brig time to max sentence for trespassing, 15 minutes, flashed him and removed his cuffs, activated the timer and left.
After that I got bwoinked by multiple admins, asking me if I could explain myself. I did explain myself. The admins said that I was lying.
Here is the chat log, as far as I could copy it.

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Lloyd Caulfield puts the taser gun into the security backpack.
Hope Steele blinds Kazimov Karamov with the flash!
PFC Talon Focell  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "Still has all it's sentries"
Hope Steele is trying to put some handcuffs on Kazimov Karamov
CPL Kazimov Karamov yells, "WHERE IS CARSON>!"
*---------*
This is   Kazimov Karamov!
He is wearing   an USCM engineer uniform with   a webbing.
He is wearing   a M10 pattern marine helmet on his head.
He is wearing   a M3 pattern marine armor.
He is carrying   a M41A pulse rifle MK2 on his M3 pattern marine armor.
He has   an USCM technician satchel on his back.
He has   some blood-stained insulated gloves on his hands!
He has   a M276 pattern toolbelt rig about his waist.
He is wearing   some blood-stained marine combat boots on his feet!
He has   a gas mask on his face.
He has   a welding goggles covering his eyes.
He is wearing   Kazimov Karamov's ID Card (Charlie Squad Engineer).
Criminal status: [None] 
Security records: [View]  [Add comment] 
A strange fellow, it seems.   
*---------*
Dr. Jaelyn Warren  [Sulaco (Rsr)] says, "6 experimental armor plates at hangar"
SSGT Hope Steele says, "Medbay"
SSGT Hope Steele says, "Dipshit"
CPL Kazimov Karamov shouts, "Oh, thanks!"
LT Hunter Sandford says, "Fuck off."
Kazimov Karamov is buckled in to the chair by Hope Steele!
*---------*
This is   Kazimov Karamov!
He is wearing   an USCM engineer uniform with   a webbing.
He is wearing   a M10 pattern marine helmet on his head.
He is wearing   a M3 pattern marine armor.
He is carrying   a M41A pulse rifle MK2 on his M3 pattern marine armor.
He has   an USCM technician satchel on his back.
He has   some blood-stained insulated gloves on his hands!
He is   handcuffed!
He has   a M276 pattern toolbelt rig about his waist.
He is wearing   some blood-stained marine combat boots on his feet!
He has   a gas mask on his face.
He has   a welding goggles covering his eyes.
He is wearing   Kazimov Karamov's ID Card (Charlie Squad Engineer).
Criminal status: [None] 
Security records: [View]  [Add comment] 
A strange fellow, it seems.   
*---------*
CPL Kazimov Karamov says, "Hey, it was a question stupid,."
*---------*
This is   Hunter Sandford!
He is wearing   a marine officer uniform.
He is wearing   an USCM officer cap on his head.
He is wearing   a M3 pattern officer armor.
He is carrying   a M39 submachinegun on his M3 pattern officer armor.
He has   an USCM infantry satchel on his back.
He is   handcuffed!
He has   a M276 pattern M4A3 holster rig about his waist.
He is wearing   some blood-stained marine combat boots on his feet!
He has   a sunglasses covering his eyes.
He has   a marine command radio headset on his left ear.
He is wearing   Hunter Sandford's ID Card (Bridge Officer).
He has a tiny bruise on his head.
Criminal status: [Incarcerated] 
Security records: [View]  [Add comment] 
  
*---------*
PFC Jonathan Jones  [Sulaco (Mar)] asks, "Experimental armor?"
CPL Kazimov Karamov says, "You didn't answer me the first time."
*---------*
This is   Hunter Sandford!
He is wearing   a marine officer uniform.
He is wearing   an USCM officer cap on his head.
He is wearing   a M3 pattern officer armor.
He is carrying   a M39 submachinegun on his M3 pattern officer armor.
He has   an USCM infantry satchel on his back.
He is   handcuffed!
He has   a M276 pattern M4A3 holster rig about his waist.
He is wearing   some blood-stained marine combat boots on his feet!
He has   a sunglasses covering his eyes.
He has   a marine command radio headset on his left ear.
He is wearing   Hunter Sandford's ID Card (Bridge Officer).
He has what might be a tiny bruise on his head.
Criminal status: [Incarcerated] 
Security records: [View]  [Add comment] 
  
*---------*
PFC Talon Focell  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "Slap it on your armor"
CPL Kazimov Karamov says, "Let me go."
PFC Talon Focell  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "It's armor plates"
SSGT Hope Steele says, "No."
Lloyd Caulfield has disarmed Flint Hirleman!
Dr. Jaelyn Warren  [Sulaco (Rsr)] says, "Chitin plates from the dead aliens you brought"
SSGT Hope Steele says, "Trespasser."
Lloyd Caulfield attempted to disarm Flint Hirleman!
CPL Kazimov Karamov says, "And why-"
Lloyd Caulfield breaks the the crumpled police tape!
Hope Steele blinds Hunter Sandford with the flash!
Lloyd Caulfield breaks the the crumpled police tape!
Lloyd Caulfield breaks the the crumpled police tape!
LT Hunter Sandford yells, "Help!"
Hunter Sandford attempts to unbuckle themself!
CPL Urist 'Armok' DeGaulle  [Sulaco (Eng)] yells, "CL ?!"
CPL Kazimov Karamov says, "I need to build supplies on the LZ, stupid."
Hope Steele blinds Kazimov Karamov with the flash!
Dr. Jaelyn Warren  [Sulaco (Rsr)] says, "Just tack them on your armor for more security"
Kazimov Karamov was unbuckled by Hope Steele!
Dr. Robert 'Caddy' Timmins  [Sulaco (Doc)] asks, "Anyone find that Gin and Vermouth I wanted?"
CPL Kazimov Karamov says, "You're an idiot."
CPL Keith Clark  [Sulaco (Eng)] says, "Send the pod there marines who still have fight left in them"
Kazimov Karamov is buckled in to the bed by Hope Steele!
CPL Kazimov Karamov shouts, "Is this nessecary?!"
SSGT Hope Steele says, "Yes."
CPL Kazimov Karamov says, "No."
Hunter Sandford talks into the marine command radio headset
Dr. Robert 'Caddy' Timmins  [Sulaco (Doc)] says, "Spending all day fixing skulls."
CPL Kazimov Karamov asks, "Why is it?"
[D] OOC: Jdobbin49: toomanyplayers5me
SSGT Hope Steele says, "You broke the law."
Hope Steele blinds Kazimov Karamov with the flash!
Dr. Robert 'Caddy' Timmins  [Sulaco (Doc)] yells, "I demand a martini!"
PFC Romeo Beck  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "Wait what if you put that shit on the B18"
Hope Steele is trying to put a flash on Kazimov Karamov
PFC Hudson Lee  [Sulaco (Mar)] asks, "Do we have anyone alive planetside?"
*click* *click*
CPL Kazimov Karamov asks, "And?"
Hunter Sandford manages to unbuckle themself!
Hunter Sandford unbuckled !
CPL Kazimov Karamov says, "It's only a 5 minute sentence."
Hope Steele is trying to unhandcuff Kazimov Karamov!
SSGT Phoenix Washington  [MP] asks, "Commander, status ?"
SSGT Lloyd Caulfield  [MP (MP)] says, "Cant handle"

Mentor PM from Completelynewguy: Why're you keeping Gabriel Marques locked up?

SSGT John Rhodes  [MP (MP)] asks, "What's going on?"
Kleef Vantwinkle puts the taser gun into the M276 pattern military police rig.
Kleef Vantwinkle is trying to put some handcuffs on Flint Hirleman

Moderator PM from Jdobbin49: If youre arresting someone for RP sake tell him why and give him a sentence

Rin 'Pin' Fukuimoto shakes Flint Hirleman trying to wake him up!

 PM to Completelynewguy: Who?

Rin 'Pin' Fukuimoto shakes Flint Hirleman trying to wake him up!
You put the handcuffs into the USCM infantry backpack.
PFC Flint Hirleman  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "MPs are fucktards"
You fire the taser gun! 
The taser gun is not ready to fire again!
PFC Hudson Lee  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "LZ1 last time I was there was overrun, no reason to be on rasp actually"
You fire the taser gun! 
James T. Penn is hit by the taser bolt in the right arm!
The taser gun is not ready to fire again!
You fire the taser gun! 
CPL Kazimov Karamov  [Sulaco (Eng)] says, "Idiot MPs are giving me a 15 minute sentence when it's supposed to be 5."
The taser gun is not ready to fire again!
PFC Flint Hirleman  [Sulaco (Mar)] asks, "Who's in command?"
You fire the taser gun! 
Hunter Sandford is hit by the taser bolt in the chest!
You put the taser gun into the M276 pattern military police rig.
LT Hunter Sandford says, "HELP!!"
LT Hunter Sandford says, "HELP!!"
PFC Erika 'Hunter' Degrasse  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "Medbay, Romeo..."
LT Hunter Sandford says, "HELP!"

Mentor PM from Completelynewguy: Gabriel Marques... who could be Kazimov Karamov.

CPL Kazimov Karamov  [Sulaco (Eng)] says, "This is just stupid."
PFC Erika 'Hunter' Degrasse  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "Get food from that vendor."
PFC Hudson Lee  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "LTEric Penton I think"
PFC James T. Penn  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "I think the MPs are offically rouge"
Hunter Sandford is buckled in to the chair by Hope Steele!
PFC James T. Penn  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "They captured hunter"
Hunter Sandford attempts to unbuckle themself!
Hunter Sandford talks into the marine command radio headset

 PM to Completelynewguy: Cell nr?

SSGT Lloyd Caulfield  [Sulaco (MP)] says, "Sa Hey."
Lloyd Caulfield talks into the marine military police radio headset

M.O.T.H.E.R.  Status Update


Warning : The Military Police is arresting the Command staff

Recommended course of action : Panic


SSGT Lloyd Caulfield says, "Hey."
PFC Rin 'Pin' Fukuimoto  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "We must rebel against the MP'S"

Mentor PM from Completelynewguy: 2

PFC Josen 'Flex' Keelin  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "Really."
SSGT Phoenix Washington  [Sulaco] shouts, "WHAT?!"

 PM to Completelynewguy: He trespassed.

SSGT Lloyd Caulfield says, "Oh god."
PFC Talon Focell  [Sulaco (Mar)] yells, "OH GOD!"
PFC Izoniv Spelweiss  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "OH NO"
SSGT Phoenix Washington  [Sulaco] says, "We ain't arresting SHIT"
SSGT Hope Steele says, "So, hunter."
PFC Talon Focell  [Sulaco (Mar)] exclaims, "SHOOT THE MPS!"

Mentor PM from Completelynewguy: Then tell him that.

SSGT Hope Steele says, "Finally quiet."
PFC Arty Nailsburg  [Sulaco (Mar)] asks, "Can we just do our job of purging these lizards?"
PFC James T. Penn  [Sulaco (Mar)] shouts, "Mother just said the MPS are rouge!"

 PM to Completelynewguy: I did.

SSGT Lloyd Caulfield  [Sulaco (MP)] says, "You know"
Lloyd Caulfield talks into the marine military police radio headset
PFC Izoniv Spelweiss  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "SHOOT THEIR BALLS"
CPL Kazimov Karamov  [Sulaco (Eng)] says, "No, they are."
PFC Talon Focell  [Sulaco (Mar)] yells, "BREAK INTO SECURITY!"
SSGT John Rhodes  [Sulaco (MP)] says, "Don't"
SSGT Lloyd Caulfield  [Sulaco (MP)] says, "He fucking robbed an MP"
Lloyd Caulfield talks into the marine military police radio headset

 PM to Completelynewguy: If he told you I didn't, he's full of shit.

Hunter Sandford talks into the marine command radio headset
LT Hunter Sandford yells, "WELL HOW ABOUT YOU COME TO BRIG AND RELEASE ME!"
PFC Talon Focell  [Sulaco (Mar)] shouts, "SAVE COMMAND!"
PFC Erika 'Hunter' Degrasse  [Sulaco (Mar)] asks, "This is serious?"
CPL Kazimov Karamov  [Sulaco (Eng)] says, "I see them from here/"
SSGT Lloyd Caulfield  [Sulaco (MP)] says, "SHUT UP"
Lloyd Caulfield talks into the marine military police radio headset
PFC Rin 'Pin' Fukuimoto  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "SAVE COMMAND"
PFC James T. Penn  [Sulaco (Mar)] yells, "STAND DOWN MPS!"
SSGT Xiphos Volund  [Sulaco (MP)] says, "What. The. FUCK"
CPL Kazimov Karamov  [Sulaco (Eng)] says, "MPs are shit."
PFC Rin 'Pin' Fukuimoto  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "RISE AGAINST THE MPS"

Mentor PM from Completelynewguy: Well, write a note in front of his cell.

SSGT Lloyd Caulfield says, "I already thinked"
PFC James T. Penn  [Sulaco (Mar)] shouts, "OR THE MARINES WILL BLOW YOUR FACES OFF!"
PFC Hudson Lee asks, "What the hell is going on?"
SSGT Lloyd Caulfield says, "25 minutes"
CPL Kazimov Karamov  [Sulaco (Eng)] says, "Break me out, too."
CPL Urist 'Armok' DeGaulle asks, "WHAT IS HAPPENING ?"

Moderator PM from MauroVega: the issue is you keep reseting him timer,or turning it off

Hunter Sandford attempts to unbuckle themself!
LT Eric Penton  [MP (BO)] asks, "MP's, tell me what the FUCK is going on!?"
Hudson Lee breaks the the crumpled police tape!

 PM to Completelynewguy: Who does that?

SSGT Lloyd Caulfield says, "For resisting arrest"
SSGT Lloyd Caulfield says, "And theft"
SSGT Phoenix Washington  [MP] yells, "WE GOT NO FUCKING CLUE!"

 PM to MauroVega: I did not do that, that is a lie.

Rin 'Pin' Fukuimoto has thrown the M11 throwing knife.
Darius Zoucks has been hit in the head by the M11 throwing knife.
The M11 throwing knife sticks in the wound!
PFC Erika 'Hunter' Degrasse  [Sulaco (Mar)] yells, "Everyone to BRIG! Let's rescue the command staff!!!"
Dr. Robert 'Caddy' Timmins  [Sulaco (Doc)] exclaims, "STOP PLAYING WITH THAT STUPID THING!"

Moderator PM from MauroVega: i saw,do you wanna lie


WHAT THE LITERAL FUCK?


Attention Marines.

This is Central Command.  We are going to dispatch EMERGENCY COMMAND PERSONNEL.  Harming them WILL result in immediate... termination.

They will arrive shortly.


SSGT Hope Steele  [MP] says, "I have no clue, someone was chasing Hunter."
SSGT Hope Steele says, "I have no clue, someone was chasing Hunter."
PFC Jonathan Jones  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "I'd rather kill more of those face raping lizards..."
Dr. Robert 'Caddy' Timmins  [Sulaco (Doc)] yells, "TURN IT OFF OR I'LL QUIT!"
Gabriel Marques points to Darius Zoucks
Darius Zoucks examines himself.
SSGT Lloyd Caulfield  [MP (MP)] says, "Me"
Lloyd Caulfield talks into the marine military police radio headset

 PM to MauroVega: Do you have logs of that?

SSGT Lloyd Caulfield  [MP (MP)] says, "He robbed me"
Lloyd Caulfield talks into the marine military police radio headset
CPL Urist 'Armok' DeGaulle  [Sulaco (Eng)] yells, "OH SHIT !"
PFC Talon Focell  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "Oh boy an admiral"
SSGT Lloyd Caulfield  [MP (MP)] says, "Then procedeed to escape"
Lloyd Caulfield talks into the marine military police radio headset
PFC Rin 'Pin' Fukuimoto  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "RISE UP AGAINST THE MP'S"
Dr. Robert 'Caddy' Timmins  [Sulaco (Doc)] says, "THAT'S IT! FIX YOUR OWN FUCKING MARINES"
SSGT Xiphos Volund  [MP (MP)] asks, "Who has arrested command staff?"

 PM to MauroVega: IO did not do that, I just flashed him, turned on the timer and left to chase Hunter.

SSGT Lloyd Caulfield  [MP (MP)] says, "Fuck"
Lloyd Caulfield talks into the marine military police radio headset
PFC Rin 'Pin' Fukuimoto  [Sulaco (Mar)] says, "STORM THE BRIG"
SSGT Lloyd Caulfield  [MP (MP)] says, "Riots"
Lloyd Caulfield talks into the marine military police radio headset
The second line in the spoilercode field is where I caught the perp, near Iso. If there is an admin that can retrieve timestamps from this moment and contribute them, that would exonerate me.

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Re: Jeroen52 MP job-ban appeal

Post by Warnipple » 08 Oct 2016, 20:58

Hope Steele is a veteran MP, I find it hard to believe that they would break marine law. I've seen Hope Steele around as MP a lot.

I'll investigate this. Although I also believe MauroVega wouldn't wrongly ban someone for any reason.

Edit: I've looked at today's logs. It doesn't reveal much but it does show that you brigged someone for trespass and you were job banned for resetting the timer. Need input from the mods that were present. I'll see if I can go grab them.
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Re: Jeroen52 MP job-ban appeal

Post by Jeroen » 08 Oct 2016, 21:16

I'd like to express that yes I know that Kazimov Karamov was running towards an area in the brig and thus trespassing and tipping the line of resisting arrest due to trespassing and running somewhere he is not allowed to be, but he was not violent during the arrest so I went mild on him and did not strip him from his property in the cell although I did have suspicion he'd make an attempt to break his cell and get out of the brig. My suspicions were wrong as he was released less than 5 minutes into his 15 minutes sentence and thus not even serving his minimum time.

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Re: Jeroen52 MP job-ban appeal

Post by Warnipple » 08 Oct 2016, 21:22

Alright, I've spoken with Mauro. I trust his judgement on this.

You have no previous notes and I've seen you around for quite some time heading the Sulaco security division. I think the job ban was a little excessive so I'll vouch to have it removed. A warning should've been better.
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Re: Jeroen52 MP job-ban appeal

Post by Jeroen » 08 Oct 2016, 21:48

Warnipple wrote:Alright, I've spoken with Mauro. I trust his judgement on this.

You have no previous notes and I've seen you around for quite some time heading the Sulaco security division. I think the job ban was a little excessive so I'll vouch to have it removed. A warning should've been better.
Thank you very much, I prefer working as a doctor and an MP and other support roles over boots on the ground because you generally live longer and I suck at killing Xenos.


I still firmly stand that I did not do what is listed in the ban reason, it may have appeared that I reset his time due to me setting the target time on the cell control system to the right of his cell to 15 minutes, but I did not play with the cell system for my own amusement/sadistic purposes.

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Re: Jeroen52 MP job-ban appeal

Post by Jeroen » 13 Oct 2016, 17:49

Since being an MP gets you bwoinked a lot, I will record many if not all sessions for OOC reasons.

I will not publish them on YouTube because there are regular 4 hour rounds and I can't stay focused for the entire round if they do last 4 hours. I regularly play a song in the background, check my mail, or get messages. These recordings will be mainly used to prevent OOC punishment.

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Re: Jeroen52 MP job-ban appeal

Post by Jeroen » 15 Oct 2016, 18:01

In less than an hour it'll be 7 days since the submission of this job-ban appeal.

I have not yet received a (personal) message from Mauro regarding this thread.

I'd really like to play as Military Police again. I will record many sessions as an MP when (not if,) I get another accusation in the future, I'll be able to provide proof. Excluding the possibility that I accidentally don't record due to a configuration error or forget, but I surely won't forget this the next couple weeks and maybe months.

The last week I have frequently checked if I am still banned from the MP job, I still am as shown below.
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As I have said before, I'd really like to play again and it makes me feel good whenever I finish a shift as an MP where I bring the law down, where I am the law.

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Re: Jeroen52 MP job-ban appeal

Post by Feweh » 16 Oct 2016, 00:37

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