Ban appeal - Bruce stern

[louisloftcraft]

Your Byond ID:louisloftcraft

Character Name:Bruce stern

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban): Time ban

Admin who banned you (if known):Johnkilla56

Total Ban Duration: 2 days

Remaining Duration: 1.5

What other servers do you play on? yogstation and unbound travels

Are you now or have you been banned on any of them? no

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):
Greifer shot up PO as a survivor on sulco, left before questioning.

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):
I was a survivor who was the first to come up in the pod alone, there I meet a sec and PO. Po said welcome aboard colonist dipshit (1) and threw an id card at me. So I don't know about you but that's not how you make first contact to someone who came from a planet filled with hungry lizards, so I shot him in response to his rudeness and was immediately drag to brig where I logged off so to come back later when my time was going to end. It wasn't my intent avoid admin questioning and my intent was good roleplay to the situation that I was put in and not griefing.

[Boltersam]

"I shot him in response to his rudeness"

I can't stop laughing.

Please read forum rule 2. For appeals.


As the PO you shot in the first place, I'd like to point you to the Rules Of Escalation.

Aside from that, you're not entitled to murdering someone for insulting you. Imagine if you did that in real life?

[louisloftcraft]

well it wasn't my intent to murder him, I did use buck shots and they are known for leaving people alive and in incredible pain but still alive. Po Had a duty to represent the USCM and failed by rudely calling me a dipshit colonist (1) and by further insult by throwing the id at me. I was merely portraying a scared individual who escaped a nightmare scenario who ran into an armed barrage of men who insulted me and threw objects at me and I took it as a form of violence and defended myself. so image that scenario occurring in real life.

[Boltersam]

well it wasn't my intent to murder him, I did use buck shots and they are known for leaving people alive and in incredible pain but still alive. Po Had a duty to represent the USCM and failed by rudely calling me a dipshit colonist (1) and by further insult by throwing the id at me. I was merely portraying a scared individual who escaped a nightmare scenario who ran into an armed barrage of men who insulted me and threw objects at me and I took it as a form of violence and defended myself.

Actually, buckshot at close range tends to leave people dead or dying.

I tossed you an ID, which the colonists even requested that they be given.

You defended yourself against a non-attack, merely someone tossing you something.

Survivors may not be hostile to the Marines if they go with them willingly, from what I've been told.

You were a scared individual who was rescued by soldiers, one of them called you a rude word and gave you an ID, then you shot him at point blank range with a shotgun loaded with buckshot.

[louisloftcraft]

People don't attack unless provoked Insults count as a form of verbal assault followed by throwing anything at them, which I received a bit of health damage. at that point, it has turned into a form pf physical violence, this is a prime example of poor diplomatic skills, So please don't dismiss those actions as being rude.

[Boltersam]

People don't attack unless provoked Insults count as a form of verbal assault followed by throwing anything at them, which I received a bit of health damage. at that point, it has turned into a form pf physical violence, this is a prime example of poor diplomatic skills, So please don't dismiss those actions as being rude.

I'm dismissing those actions as rude, because my character called you a mean word and tossed you an ID, a non-attack action that deals less than five brute damage, which heals by itself, and you fired a loaded weapon, which put my character into crit.

A single verbal insult and an item tossed to you does not warrant lethal force.

[louisloftcraft]

Oh, So you do emit these actions and the health damaged you caused me. Last time I checked any physical damage to anyone is a form of violence and a form of assault. just because you THINK these actions are rude doesn't excuse you from and consequences. That's like a bully not expecting to be punched after goading someone.

[Boltersam]

Oh, So you do emit these actions and the health damaged you caused me. Last time I checked any physical damage to anyone is a form of violence and a form of assault. just because you THINK these actions are rude doesn't excuse you from and consequences. That's like a bully not expecting to be punched after goating someone.

Okay.

You call me a dipshit and toss me an ID card that I fail to catch, lightly stinging me. I pull out a gun and shoot you, most likely killing you either from the initial damage or you bleeding out. This is a reasonable situation, ja?

[louisloftcraft]

Role play, as you said" image if this happened in real life".

[Boltersam]

Role play, as you said image if this happened in real life.

If that situation had carried out in real life, I would be in jail for murder, with a sentence of around twenty years.

[louisloftcraft]

you're failing to see that you failed your duty to represent the uscm as part of a welcoming party and establish friendly atmosphere. An armed scared man who has been through a nightmare scenario is capable of anything and is unpredictable and responded to your action WHICH you emitted caused damage. So yes The action I took is in character of a survivors role. I am not disputing any brig time I would have received it's the ban I am appealing.

[Boltersam]

you're failing to see that you failed your duty to represent the uscm as part of a welcoming party and establish friendly atmosphere. An armed scared man who has been through a nightmare scenario is capable of anything and is unpredictable and responded to your action WHICH you emitted caused damage. So yes The action I took is in character of a survivors role. I am not disputing any brig time I would have received it's the ban I am appealing.

I'm going to leave my argument here, as you, yourself don't see what you did wrong.

Misrepresenting the USCM was not an issue at all. You were saved by perhaps friendly marines, met one person who was unfriendly and tossed you an ID that your character failed to catch, slightly hurting them, not even bruising. Then, you pulled out your gun, and shot said person in the face. Leaving them to bleed out, and running. Obviously, you see nothing wrong with these actions, so I'll leave this to be handled.

[louisloftcraft]

YOU'RE RIGHT! The uscm representation isn't the problem and I do owe you an apology for those actions, you pretty much got the short straw on things, I see that now.
I do hope that the ban appeal would be lifted and Perhaps a bit more knowledge on my character's recent past will shed some light on my actions.


I was one of the survivors out of 3 on the planet.
We were saved by the marines and decided to stay and fight for our Home.

I did some scouting and found the queen in hydro and immediately Ran back to a bravo Marine and said: " Hey I am going to tell you a story and you might believe it."
And Told the marine in the shortest way possible of to tell the marines ALL UNITS get to hydro because the queen is in Hydro alone.

We stormed in IT was glorious men alike of colour n uniform and we kick her arse. Then amongst the fighting the Queen ScReAmEd.
PANIC AROUSE! I was closest to the queen, with One spearhead pistol in my hand and an alien blade in the Other I got back up and lurched myself at the foul brewed mother.
Then the marines fired their weapon attachments, Nades exploded everywhere.

I woke up bloody, bruised and Deaf, the queen was badly damaged holes the size
of basketballs filled her. I spent the last of my round in her alongside the marines fighting and she Exploded.

Then returning to lz2 feeling the broken bones in my body as I crawl in the pod. The pod fly's UP I fall down from the acceleration the moment I step in. Feeling betrayed from the marines firing Explosives at me to destroy the queen. It seemed that Bruce sterns life was worth nothing to them, like He was a piece of shit.

Then enter this PO incident.
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[Casany]

As a non-partial and unbiased source, I say this was completely unjustified to do. You know those plastic cards you have to wear sometimes around your neck? That's an ID. Anyway, imagine this scenario: your walking down the street to your work, first day. You have a handgun in your jacket with the liscense, and see a guy get murdered. Police escort you to your work, and the security guard there throws you your badge and says "here fucktard" it's mean, and rude yes. Would you proceed to shoot him in the leg because of it? He IS the face of the company after all. No, you wouldn't. That's this scenario except in real life

[Biolock]

I can see your perspective, and maybe the ban could be lowered on the grounds that you didn't have malicious intent and you'd intended to roleplay. However, what you fail to realize is that regardless of where you shoot someone, and what your shoot someone with; it's considered lethal force.

Deadly force is using force that a person knows or should know causes a substantial death or risk serious bodily harm. Shooting someone in the leg with the holdout pistol is considered deadly force. You responded to a marine throwing an ID card at you... with deadly force.

[apophis775]

I don't know.
I feel like the fact that you logged off to not deal with your legit jail sentence is a bit dickish as well..

I'm leaning -1.

[Feweh]

Denied