Remove Gun Recycling

[caleeb101]

Most of the time those get melted down. Then command staff wonders why they can't get guns from req.

Then people still want explosives, Sadar. Then they want sandbags. Then they want metal. And your hurting on points so you go snag two bags of pistols for more metal.

That's not how it is. You melt down the metal so that you can SAVE points by not having to order metal. Play as a CT a few times and you pick up that stuff is overpriced and there isn't really a way to get your value back on everything. When you have to order 2 sentries so the marines don't lose (that's 240 points I believe since one is 120 but correct me if i'm wrong) 10 points for metal is just a bloody waste. You have a limited amount of crates that you can send for points and I'm still not even sure if sending back stamped documents actually gives you points or not. But even if what I read is right, stamped documents only gives you 1 point per document. So that's pretty trash too.

[Tidomann]

Yeah, but I mean, when your trying to adhere to non-powergame of stealing guns from prep it's practicaly impossible.

Like you said if you don't melt down metal Requissitions is going to have a rough game. Plus if you can save on 3 orders if metal that's now 30 units of plasteel or Sadar.

As it stands it's basically an assumed step to take as RO/CT, but it shouldn't be.

[KingKire]

-1 to removing gun recycling, and to lowering the metal returned per weapon.

Alternative suggestion: lower number of guns present, readjust cargo point costs as needed.

Recycling guns fits a sticky situation.

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A) recycling is a useful and fun feature:
I personally love the panic that takes over when people start scrapping everything under the sun just to live for a few more seconds, and recycling plays a big part in that. It really does trigger a player to panic and scream and run around like crazy looking for anything, ANYTHING that can get just a few more panels to repair the melting hull walls. Its a panic that is ridiculously infectious and my goodness does it set the tone of the game of how screwed you are when you start throwing guns, spoons, and floor tiles into the fire for an ounce of safety.

B) Forcing cargo to recycle guns and ammo for metal every game to stay effective is a boring and painful feature.
It is not pleasant to watch your player stand still while you right click, left click and load tons and tons of stuff into crates to be smelted down. It instantly breaks you out of your disbelief, as well as gives most players early onset of carpel tunnel syndrome. Its okay to do this for a few minutes a game. 15 minutes of repetitive clicking, not so much.

C) Recycling can currently be abused for powergaming:
Currently, there is an *insane* amount of guns on the ship. Way more than is needed for the company or so of men that are In-lore present on the ship. If every player out of a 300 count of players carried a backpack full of pistols, shotguns, knives, and m39's, we would still have plenty of guns left over for another ship and a half. The metal that you get out of recycling guns is high, but its a reasonable amount per gun. There is just...*aloooot* of guns.

D) Cargo is heavily crippled if it does not resort to using said power gaming styles.
The points system for cargo is pretty out of wack to what is usually needed per game. When things start getting out of wack, this usually causes *creative* solutions to gameplay problems. When the gameplay becomes super high pressured (i.e. players feel forced to play perfectly to stay relevant) this dramatically accelerates players into creative solutions.

TLDR:
So, what do we got?
- Recycling is a cool side feature to the game. Smart players can use it to get ahead, and desperate players can use it for desperate needs. Both really cool stuff.
- Recycling is very boring if done by itself. The act of dragging items into vendors, or shift right clicking dozens of objects is a boring mechanic. Amazing mechanic if done under pressure of say, life or death. Boring as shit if done as a basic task.
- There are wayyy too many guns on the ship. No ship should have 9 weapons per soldier, that ratio is insane.
- The amount of metal you get from smelting guns is appropriate, and therefore, not a problem. If your melting something as vital as a gun, you should get some good value back.
- Cargo points likely need of readjusting, and should probably have more dynamic ways of generating supplies overall, maybe.
- Cargo techs need more engaging tasks to do on ship, but the same can be said of many ship-based roles.

[Bmc777]

Accepted but we're not going to completely remove the ability to recycle guns. We'll decrease the metal received for recycling guns and decrease the cost for a metal crate order to compensate.