The whole MP situation.

[NoahKirchner]

That's the definition of a maximum sentence, what's your point ?

That a maximum sentence on someone who had a pistol as MP one time is absurd.

[Philby0]

That a maximum sentence on someone who had a pistol as MP one time is absurd.

Well yeah of course, but that's pretty much what Terminutter said.

The severity of the crime being charged for is what should determine the sentence passed

That said I think the staff cares about abusing the law as much as not respecting it.

EDIT: It's not minimum or maximum, it's a scope between those two.

[Nickvr628]

He means it is shitty for brigging a staff officer for and hour because he clicked someone with a clipboard in his hand.

Max assault: 30 minutes
Unbecoming conduct: double it
RIP

You are a shitty MP is you default to max sentences. The real reason MPs change the sentences to punish the OOC player, not the IC action. The max sentences should be for shitlers and repeat offenders. Normal crimes should get the minimum 90% of the time.

[Terminutter]

He means it is shitty for brigging a staff officer for and hour because he clicked someone with a clipboard in his hand.

Max assault: 30 minutes
Unbecoming conduct: double it
RIP

You are a shitty MP is you default to max sentences. The real reason MPs change the sentences to punish the OOC player, not the IC action. The max sentences should be for shitlers and repeat offenders. Normal crimes should get the minimum 90% of the time.

There is a charge specifically for that, mandating double time. The maximum sentence is pretty much just for shitlers, or aggravated versions of crimes.

[Philby0]

You are a shitty MP is you default to max sentences. The real reason MPs change the sentences to punish the OOC player, not the IC action. The max sentences should be for shitlers and repeat offenders. Normal crimes should get the minimum 90% of the time.

That's exactly what we are saying. But considering that, maximum sentence means what you get in the worst conditions.

Effectively, crimes get the minimum 80% of the time. Just a bit over that 15% of the time, sentences close to the max are only in the worst cases, and otherwise issued by 14yo and powertrippers.

[Dolth]

He means it is shitty for brigging a staff officer for and hour because he clicked someone with a clipboard in his hand.

Max assault: 30 minutes
Unbecoming conduct: double it
RIP

You are a shitty MP is you default to max sentences. The real reason MPs change the sentences to punish the OOC player, not the IC action. The max sentences should be for shitlers and repeat offenders. Normal crimes should get the minimum 90% of the time.

That's Rhodes case. Wasn't max sentence, but still. And too many MP are doing that.

[Philby0]

Oh and we still don't know if the Theft law is proprely written or not.

[Nickvr628]

Yep with the current theft law you can steal the MP's taser and not be charged with anything.

(Well they might get you for contraband and possibly assault if you attacked the MP to get it but that is not the point)

[Terminutter]

Yep with the current theft law you can steal the MP's taser and not be charged with anything.

(Well they might get you for contraband and possibly assault if you attacked the MP to get it but that is not the point)

MPs are counted as marines, so they could get you for theft. Now, doctors, researchers, the CMO and CL are all fair game under the law.

[Crab_Spider]

I enjoyed this thread. It helped me see the light and say:

Tone down your fucking brig times. Jesus fucking christ they're stupid. Fix your fucking security HUD interface so we can fucking add crimes, make arrest warrants for MPs so we KNOW why we're brigging a guy, and add a fucking warden role. You know what'd also help? Making it acceptable to arrest the Commander without contacting High Command for an improper battlefield execution. What's that? This'll lead to improper arrests on the Commander? Well no fucking shit, it's an IC issue and you're liable for whatever you're doing in his game. That's fucking roleplay.

MARINES
Stop being manchildren that think you're tough shit because you have guns and armor. You remind me of assistants I deal with on the regular on Yogstation and they're more competent on a blob round. If you don't want to be arrested, fucking read Marine Law, look at what you're trying to do and ask yourself if what you're doing is illegal.

It's fun to be back.

[Skimmy2]

I enjoyed this thread. It helped me see the light and say:

Tone down your fucking brig times. Jesus fucking christ they're stupid. Fix your fucking security HUD interface so we can fucking add crimes, make arrest warrants for MPs so we KNOW why we're brigging a guy, and add a fucking warden role. You know what'd also help? Making it acceptable to arrest the Commander without contacting High Command for an improper battlefield execution. What's that? This'll lead to improper arrests on the Commander? Well no fucking shit, it's an IC issue and you're liable for whatever you're doing in his game. That's fucking roleplay.

MARINES
Stop being manchildren that think you're tough shit because you have guns and armor. You remind me of assistants I deal with on the regular on Yogstation and they're more competent on a blob round. If you don't want to be arrested, fucking read Marine Law, look at what you're trying to do and ask yourself if what you're doing is illegal.

It's fun to be back.

As much as I love these things in muh HRP spessmans, sadly Muhreen Law is a different mistress.

Warrents for arrests are reduntant, as Command Requested Arresting exists, making you required to arrest somebody without hesitation.
The Warrent Officer already has authority to arrest the Commander none permanantly without High Command's authorization (this does mean you cant arrest a Commander for BEing without authorization, as that would be Murder and a permenant sentence)

Likewise an officer is required by law to be present inside of the Brig at all times if a Prisoner is in a cell, so a Warden isint entirely needed.

[biscuitsakimbo]

People don't like MPs because 3/5 are complete baldies who don't make the slightest effort to learn marine law and barely play on the server. 1/5 MPs are only going MP to ruin peoples rounds by brigging them for minor weapons violations, hacking their prep vendors, yell at them for not wearing helmets, etc. The last 1/5th of the MP complement is actually there to help the round go smoothly. The vast majority of MPs are complete shitcurity.

[Rohesie]

I don't think most MPs are that bad, but the law is. Sure, it's well written, realistic and all, but it serves the purpose of limiting the marines more than of maintaining a positive atmosphere. And MPs are forced by the rules to enforce the law, unlike in other serves in where security can let the harmless criminal go with a verbal reprimand.

That results in a marines getting locked up for long periods of time for often harmless or even accidental actions. Not the most enjoyable feature in the game.

[edda]

I mean, Jack Knight's gimmick is his strict enforcement of Marine Law, and I don't think he's a worse player for it.

[RobBrown4PM]

I don't think most MPs are that bad, but the law is. Sure, it's well written, realistic and all, but it serves the purpose of limiting the marines more than of maintaining a positive atmosphere. And MPs are forced by the rules to enforce the law, unlike in other serves in where security can let the harmless criminal go with a verbal reprimand.

That results in a marines getting locked up for long periods of time for often harmless or even accidental actions. Not the most enjoyable feature in the game.

This is an RP server, as much as people would like to make you think it's a Low RP action fest.

Don't wana be thrown in the brig for doing stupid stuff? Don't do stupid stuff.

[Heckenshutze]

Don't wana be thrown in the brig for doing stupid stuff? Don't do stupid stuff.

Attaboy.

Mod potential right there

[Amitt0]

I started an MP Main character because I love the game and hate when people grief or mess around and ruin other people's experience.

I try hard to follow the rules closely and I try to RP a stern yet compassionate lifer who was a combat marine for a looong time before transferring to the military police. (My MP character is 47 years old)

I try to be calm and composed and respectful towards marines as often as possible but the bias against MPS is so strong that it's hard to make a difference. Marines are automatically hostile much of the time or just blatantly lie to your face when you ask questions.
I escalate as they escalate. You can't condone a marine strutting up to you and screaming "suck it, pig!" In your face.

Respect goes both ways.

I often try to de escalate minor situations like weapons infractions or Req Line squabbles with simple phrases like " take the high road, marine." Or just "be mature"
I get frustrated when another MP has brigged someone and not switched the arrest status over or updated the records.
The MP conducting the arrest needs to be thorough and responsible and fill out records in detail and follow procedure.
I don't know what the solution is for MPS other than a white list which is absurd.
Some mps just like the role to power trip and then don't put in the actual work like forensics and investigation.

[WinterClould]

Yesterday I sat outside the brig yelling ACAB over the radio and at all the MP's that passed me, none of them even batted an eye.

Worse.Cops.Ever.

What kind of Police officer doesnt know ACAB. Fuckin posers.

[Avalanchee]

Its pretty annoying when your SL gets arrested for giving out flamers in his prep. "Unsecured equipment" pfft

[WinterClould]

If its in the prep room area its not unsecured. MP's need to chill.

[Philby0]

Its pretty annoying when your SL gets arrested for giving out flamers in his prep. "Unsecured equipment" pfft

Never seen that, I'd throw a mp in the brig for that.

[Blade2000Br]

If its in the prep room area its not unsecured. MP's need to chill.

Put the flamers our of Sl prep room = unsecured equipament.

Hand it individually, don't throw in the geound.

[Skimmy2]

The Unsecure Equipment Law is specifically in relations to providing equipment to people outside of your Department.
Requisition is allowed to leave their cargo on the floor, engineers their tools, and Marines their shotgun shell boxes, pistols, and flammers so long as they are only inside of their respective Departments.
Leaving said equipment in a Public Location is what's Illegal.
In other words, it is only legal to hand your equipment outside of your Department In person.

[Blade2000Br]

The Unsecure Equipment Law is specifically in relations to providing equipment to people outside of your Department.
Requisition is allowed to leave their cargo on the floor, engineers their tools, and Marines their shotgun shell boxes, pistols, and flammers so long as they are only inside of their respective Departments.
Leaving said equipment in a Public Location is what's Illegal.
In other words, it is only legal to hand your equipment outside of your Department In person.

The SL equipment is from the SL room, therefore it's from his department and not supposed to be left outside. Sames goes for the Spec/smartgunner/medics/enginners rooms. They are to be in those rooms and not in the general squad prep.

Words from apophis himself.

[Nickvr628]

That is incredibly dumb. The only MP who would arrest someone for that is going on a power trip or intentionally being a dick. Granted, I am a bit biased against MPs every since the dropship debacle (where the only PO got brigged for almost 200 minutes after a marine let himself be squished by my landing, see my ranty post above) and it is hard to see why the MPs do these things.

I hold the opinion that if I am on the surface and MPs are trying to get me, I will just charge into the front lines and die, contributing to my team, than spend half an hour being brought back to the ship, doing brig procedures, serving my sentence, etc etc. MPs who arrest for stupid shit (meme arrests included... looking at you "disrespect") are only ruining the fun of others.