The whole MP situation.

[Kazuko_myu]

But we all know that it is never "just 10 minutes". Anything you do, they will tack on resisting arrest because you asked why you are getting arrested. They add negligence, unbecoming conduct, and whatever else they want and boost it well above 30 minutes.

I have been playing CM alone for several months now, and the few times I have been arrested were because shitcurity or stupid shit. Let me list some:

Squished a marine under a dropship as a PO: 150 minutes

Had peradaxin in my system: 15 minutes

A marine left hyperzine on my dropship as a PO: 60 minutes

Asked Bill Carson a question during the briefing, apparently disrupted: 20 minutes

Said Bill Carson's orders were stupid over squad comms. Disrespect. 20 minutes.

All of these are stupid things that should not take you out of the majority of the round. If you want to brig me for 5 minutes at roundstart for having a weapon out, I will be pissed but that does not ruin my round. When you brig the squad medic for half an hour for getting extra chems from medbay, or the pilot officer for 150 minutes because [see earlier post], it surpasses proper MP procedure and becomes shitcurity.

I really hope you Ahelped that 150 minute thing. That's borderline griefing IMO and extremely memey. No one should be brigged basically a quarter of the round for something like that, not to mention that it already warranted perma brig or execution if one so willed.

That's just ridiculous and should warrant an insta job ban.

[Skimmy2]

Why arent you admin helping when a MP is clearly committing neglect of duty?
The forums isint going to be the place to punish those who break Marine Law, though it is the perfect place to revise/discuss Marine Law which can always use improvements.

Such as, the closest charge of Battery is Hooliganism.

Or that kidnapping is not illegal in Marine Law

[Philby0]

Why arent you admin helping when a MP is clearly committing neglect of duty?

They are, but they aren't skynet.

People who complain a lot about MP should try and play it. I seriously feel people who are lawful and hate shitcurity are the best MPs.

[Challenger]

Kidnapping is assault. Battery is also assault.

[Nickvr628]

I probably would play MP, if it was not just guarding the RO line for half an hour, and then sitting around for 2.5+ hours waiting for your death when the dropship crashes into the compartment you're in.

Maybe they devolve into shitcurity out of pure boredom...

[Swagile]

Only thing that needs to be done is have CMP be whitelisted, since we have a lot of CMP's that commit crimes and don't own up to them, or have very little knowledge of Marine Law. Or they brig for completely non-existant charges; like not even trying to tie them in with Marine Law.

And in return for whitelisting CMP's, they should be given the ability to promote or demote MP's AT WILL, at any time, much like how CO's can battlefield execute; its just they will be held accountable for their demotions much like CO's are accountable for battlefield executions.

[Nickvr628]

What if we got rid of MPs all together and just had the CMP. Other than the first 25 minutes you don't need 5+ security staff on the station.

Rename the CMP to something like Chief Justice or something, and make him in charge of all disciplinary action aboard the vessel.

[Crab_Spider]

What if we got rid of MPs all together and just had the CMP. Other than the first 25 minutes you don't need 5+ security staff on the station.

Rename the CMP to something like Chief Justice or something, and make him in charge of all disciplinary action aboard the vessel.

Yeah... absolutely not.

[Swagile]

No, CO's require MP's if a squad goes rogue / mutiny happens, etc.

Plus in helping with daily ship side duties, like dragging cryo'd around, helping move wounded, guarding Doctors in the eventuality of a boarding, and taking down hostile boarders aka UPP and CLF if they ever appear.

[Philby0]

I probably would play MP, if it was not just guarding the RO line for half an hour, and then sitting around for 2.5+ hours waiting for your death when the dropship crashes into the compartment you're in.

Maybe they devolve into shitcurity out of pure boredom.

Play MP. You'll realise the RO line takes 5 minutes and only on one or two MPs, and you'll realise the amount of actual illegal shit we have to deal with. Nothing of what you said is remotely true.

[Pat Sajak]

Do you believe that more then one person in a squad (including squad leader), disobeying orders from command, should be considered mutiny?

There was one round where two people (including the SL) where charged with mutiny when they disobeyed orders.

[Swagile]

When a squad is going against legal orders, and refusing to step down, id say yes. However, that is merely my own opinion.

[coroneljones]

Do you believe that more then one person in a squad (including squad leader), disobeying orders from command, should be considered mutiny?

There was one round where two people (including the SL) where charged with mutiny when they disobeyed orders.

I would say max insubordination if they keep disobeying
But if they go "We can make a better CO than the Current one and should replace him!" That might lean to inciting a mutiny

[Crab_Spider]

Do you believe that more then one person in a squad (including squad leader), disobeying orders from command, should be considered mutiny?

There was one round where two people (including the SL) where charged with mutiny when they disobeyed orders.

So after doing some research (aka searching Dictionary.com) I found that mutiny is open rebellion against the orders of a superior officer. So, if that SL were to be openly rejecting those orders and going as far as to try and bring his entire squad back up to remove command, then that'd be mutiny. Notice how I'm stretching this definition as far as possible so we don't end up with more executions.

[Telegnats]

I would say max insubordination if they keep disobeying
But if they go "We can make a better CO than the Current one and should replace him!" That might lean to inciting a mutiny

Agreeing with Jones on this; Until the marines actively try to remove command staff, it shouldn't be considered a mutiny.

[Nickvr628]

So at what point is an action or order that makes a mutiny valid, also warrant a ban?

Anything worth mutinying over probably breaks some server rule, yes?

[Philby0]

So at what point is an action or order that makes a mutiny valid, also warrant a ban?

Anything worth mutinying over probably breaks some server rule, yes?

Could you rephrase that first sentence ? Also, an extract from the rules.

Do not mutiny, unless... - Mutiny is not allowed unless a Mod or Admin (not a Mentor) clears it via Adminhelp. Also, you must follow these rules:

The situation MUST be role-played.
The commander MUST be given a chance to stand-down peacefully
You MUST have the support of at least 5 other Marines
Uninvolved marines should be given the chance to remain uninvolved. They *might* shoot if they see you firing on the commander without a reason. Try to subdue them, WITHOUT lethal force or explain the situation.
Minimize Losses (use either non-lethal force ONLY, or give all marines who oppose you a chance to stand-down)
Do not start firing until you have been fired upon

[Nickvr628]

What can a commander do that would cause a mutiny, but not also warrant a ban?

If the cause of the mutiny is him being a shitler, why wouldn't the admins straight up ban him instead?

[Philby0]

Commanders are whitelisted I'm pretty sure shitlers are extremely rare. A mutiny starts because marines are unhappy with the way command is handling the situation, be it a strategy that involves using a squad as a meatshield, or giving the order to pilots to stay in the hangar, leaving marines to die down there.

[GoliathTheDespoiler]

What can a commander do that would cause a mutiny, but not also warrant a ban?

If the cause of the mutiny is him being a shitler, why wouldn't the admins straight up ban him instead?

An easy one is close the RO lines at the start of a round. Or have a rp situation with Bill Carson involved. Or just make a stupid move or order that is publicised and gets you mutinied.

[Blade2000Br]

An easy one is close the RO lines at the start of a round. Or have a rp situation with Bill Carson involved. Or just make a stupid move or order that is publicised and gets you mutinied.

or make something as RO/CT that creates a butterfly effect that ends up with DS involved.

trust me, I did this as CT and oh boy, did shit got down fast.

[Crab_Spider]

or make something as RO/CT that creates a butterfly effect that ends up with DS involved.

trust me, I did this as CT and oh boy, did shit got down fast.

Sometimes I wonder how you manage to live to round end...

[Swagile]

Marines will mutiny over ANYTHING. Do not assume every mutiny is because the CO is completely bad or did something ban worthy; all mutinies are authorized if they follow the mutiny procedure and their reason to mutiny isn't pants on head retarded, like mutinying over attachments.

[Blade2000Br]

Sometimes I wonder how you manage to live to round end...

It's because I hide cowardly behind the RO lines I am very loved, and most of the time I put the blame in a higher up, so hardly people fault me.

this until...I started to go for RO. then dunno.

[Winter]

I don't think most of us would mind MPs if they didn't go straight to OMFG HARMBATON HANDCUFFS TIEM.

Like, people are getting arrested over the smallest, stupidest stuff and given crazy lengthy sentences. I joked with an MP buddy IC and nearly got tazed going to change a lightbulb THE MPS CALLED ME OVER TO FIX.

Once, I was cuffed to a bed serving a sentence and got pepper sprayed twice for no reason out of nowhere. That was awesome.