Alien Colonial Diplomats, Enjoyment Vs Enforcement of the Rules.

[misterjoper]

having watched the footage, the first minute I witnessed the queen murder a marine for flaming her, while his friends just stood there and did nothing...

I dunno if this was good RP, I don't think marines would willingly stand by and watch as a towering alien ripped their friend apart. How is that conducting diplomacy?

Well that guy tried to atack Queen. And killing that guy showed that MEAN business and such action will not be tolerated. And as for marines, they did not want to get ripped apart, and morever it was that guys fault.

[Rataca100]

Do i smell Icky in Ocky?

[nerocavalier]

Well that guy tried to atack Queen. And killing that guy showed that MEAN business and such action will not be tolerated. And as for marines, they did not want to get ripped apart, and morever it was that guys fault.

"Let's side with the things that ripped Jimmy apart because who cares about Jimmy. It's not like we're part of the same Battalion, squad, whether or not I know his family, his dreams and aspirations. Let's side with the things I can't understand at all."

This is awful RP.

[Joe4444]

"Let's side with the things that ripped Jimmy apart because who cares about Jimmy. It's not like we're part of the same Battalion, squad, whether or not I know his family, his dreams and aspirations. Let's side with the things I can't understand at all."

This is awful RP.

^this

these marines by now probably would've served with each other for a years at this point probably and would know each other fairly well, the USCM don't just grab a bunch of random marines who they don't know and stick them in a ship together and just expect it to work, they would care about each other and wouldn't just write each death off as nothing.

[spartanbobby]

This is awful RP.

[Rataca100]

"Let's side with the things that ripped Jimmy apart because who cares about Jimmy. It's not like we're part of the same Battalion, squad, whether or not I know his family, his dreams and aspirations. Let's side with the things I can't understand at all."

This is awful RP.

More like lets not shoot it and make a huge firefight and possible have their head s ripped off by a Xeno 5+meters tall. *shivers* :P

[nerocavalier]

More like lets not shoot it and make a huge firefight and possible have their head s ripped off by a Xeno 5+meters tall. *shivers* :P

You have grenades, rockets, and more importantly the range advantage. Yeah, you all suck in melee. Good luck getting there in this case.

[manezinho]

Just posting to get notifications. So far exactly what I thought would happen. Good luck though Joper.

[misterjoper]

"Let's side with the things that ripped Jimmy apart because who cares about Jimmy. It's not like we're part of the same Battalion, squad, whether or not I know his family, his dreams and aspirations. Let's side with the things I can't understand at all."

This is awful RP.

Jimmy should have known better than trying to atack a Huge lizard. Seriously you completly don't care it was Jimmy's fault. Just because someone in the same squad does not mean they are friends. Hell you can even hate people in the same squad. May be Jimmy was hated like Pvt Pyle. We don't know.

[MrJJJ]

Jimmy did more RP in that entire event than anyone else by attacking the queen with a flamer, not metaing that she is immune to it.

[DeadLantern]

May be Jimmy was hated like Pvt Pyle. We don't know.

What do you mean you don't know the reputation of that one guy who got gutted to you? And nevermind the RP and IC lore reasons why this could not happen, this is against the rules.Cooperating with the enemy makes the game unfun for the Xenos who actually want to play the game how it should and the marines doing their jobs, as that marine who died did. It's just random shenangins for the few people who were involved.

[misterjoper]

What do you mean you don't know the reputation of that one guy who got gutted to you? And nevermind the RP and IC lore reasons why this could not happen, this is against the rules.Cooperating with the enemy makes the game unfun for the Xenos who actually want to play the game how it should and the marines doing their jobs, as that marine who died did. It's just random shenangins for the few people who were involved.

What rules did marines break by letting a baldie die? (This actually happens every round, come to think of it).
First of all marines were NOT Cooperating, marines were negotiating.
Secondly, they can not be considered as enemies, since it's a first contact and marines are not aware whenever the aliens are hostile or not.
Third, As i stated before, a sane person avoids War, because war is bad, nobody wins at war.

[DeadLantern]

What rules did marines break by letting a baldie die? (This actually happens every round, come to think of it).
First of all marines were NOT Cooperating, marines were negotiating.
Secondly, they can not be considered as enemies, since it's a first contact and marines are not aware whenever the aliens are hostile or not.
Third, As i stated before, a sane person avoids War, because war is bad, nobody wins at war.

I was saying working together with xenos IN ANY WAY is breaking the rules.

Secondly, you become enemies when you see someone literally DIE because of it. You either haul ass or shoot the things that killed your friends.

[Joe4444]

What rules did marines break by letting a baldie die? (This actually happens every round, come to think of it).
First of all marines were NOT Cooperating, marines were negotiating.
Secondly, they can not be considered as enemies, since it's a first contact and marines are not aware whenever the aliens are hostile or not.
Third, As i stated before, a sane person avoids War, because war is bad, nobody wins at war.

the marines didn't break any rules by letting them die, they just broke RP by not doing anything about, y'know, a guy dying

as for your 2nd point, picture you going down there, you see blood, dead colonists yet no signs of a raid (bullet casings, enemy combatants) or hell, any signs of a gun being fired, you then see a xeno running around, with claws out dashing around the place like nothing happened and you're just gonna assume "yeah they're just wildlife, even though we probably would've been told about any wildlife down here yeah, that's wildlife."

your third point is pretty much invalid, considering half the side of this conflict isn't a person and most don't really have a mind to speak of (bar the queen)

[misterjoper]

I was saying working together with xenos IN ANY WAY is breaking the rules.

Secondly, you become enemies when you see someone literally DIE because of it. You either haul ass or shoot the things that killed your friends.

1. Can you quote the Rule that does not allow Marines to "work" with Xenoes? I am having a hard time remembering that rule.
2.You are completly ignoring the point that JIMMY started the Fight.

[misterjoper]

the marines didn't break any rules by letting them die, they just broke RP by not doing anything about, y'know, a guy dying

as for your 2nd point, picture you going down there, you see blood, dead colonists yet no signs of a raid (bullet casings, enemy combatants) or hell, any signs of a gun being fired, you then see a xeno running around, with claws out dashing around the place like nothing happened and you're just gonna assume "yeah they're just wildlife, even though we probably would've been told about any wildlife down here yeah, that's wildlife."

your third point is pretty much invalid, considering half the side of this conflict isn't a person and most don't really have a mind to speak of (bar the queen)

1. Actually that guy was dragged off and probably revived later, The second baldie who primed a granade was dragged off. It's just marines did not want to use the lethal force, that could possible escalate the conflict.
2. Actually usually there is sign of Bellet Casings since Survivors have guns and they usually at least shoot once during the round, before they get captured. Also Prior to that, there was a colonist, WHO was Alive to prove that Aliens actually Not that Hostile.
3. Okay So think war against alien lifeworms Is good even though is still war. M-kay that's your opinion. While mine opinion is that every war is bad. We have just have different opinions on war. Period.

[DeadLantern]

1. Can you quote the Rule that does not allow Marines to "work" with Xenoes? I am having a hard time remembering that rule.
2.You are completly ignoring the point that JIMMY started the Fight.

1. in Roleplay Guidelines
in Xeno rules
Marines or Xenos can not be pet friends or communicate, for Xenos do not want to communicate.

2. It does not matter if Jimmy started the fight. There was a fight, someone died. It does not matter who shot first. "Xenos are okay because the marines shot first, they only want to be friends!" That is not a good defense.

[davidofmk771]

1. Can you quote the Rule that does not allow Marines to "work" with Xenoes? I am having a hard time remembering that rule.
2.You are completly ignoring the point that JIMMY started the Fight.

Lets be honest, the xenos started this when they wiped out a colony of innocent people.

[Joe4444]

1. Actually that guy was dragged off and probably revived later, The second baldie who primed a granade was dragged off. It's just marines did not want to use the lethal force, that could possible escalate the conflict.
2. Actually usually there is sign of Bellet Casings since Survivors have guns and they usually at least shoot once during the round, before they get captured. Also Prior to that, there was a colonist, WHO was Alive to prove that Aliens actually Not that Hostile.

1.until proof is shown that the guy was defibbed i'm gonna doubt that, even if he was the queen still ripped him up in the middle of these "negotiations" and they did nothing, that's...not how negotiations work, if one party attacks, the other ain't just gonna sit there and take it, if I saw the queen rip apart a fellow marine (if I liked him or not) then I would order everyone back or hell, even to open fire if I like my odds. Marines would not just go "yeah just take him back and defib him, whatever"

2.not all survivours get guns, most could get captured before that or most just try their luck with the fire axe in tcomms, even if they do get weapons they don't always fire them, they could just hide until the marines come, then the marines would know they're hostile anyway.

also, even if there was bullet casings on the ground, none of the colonists have any bullet wounds in them, so that still rules out it being a raid.

[misterjoper]

1.What you quoted Prevents ALIENS from being Friends with Marines, but it DOES not restrict marines from being friendly with aliens.
once again i will state the same Point I stated before. Xenomorphs DID NOT act like Friends, in fact they demanded that Marines would not cross the river, and whoever crosses the river gets killed. This does not seem like a frindly attitude to me.
2. One things don't matter to you, while to others That thing DO matter. It's called being Just. That baldie tried to atack the xeno who had no intention of atacking that baldie (yet). Honestly if My brother started getting into fights and had to protect him in these fights everyday, i'd rather have a talk with my brother on why he should avoid starting fights for no reason.
Edit: Another example. If someone from your squad commits a crime(that would get him executed) , would you sit and watch, or Shoot The MP?

[misterjoper]

Lets be honest, the xenos started this when they wiped out a colony of innocent people.

Actually We don't know the backstory, we don't know what caused the incident. We don't know the what HAS happened before the Round, we only know the results. Yeah there are bodies there. The fact that those people were innocent can be argued.
I will take Big Red map as example because it's easier to explain. If you look at the Lamda lambs you will See alien Embryos in Glass Bottles. That means Colonists were conducting research on Captured alien, when suppendly alien brocke out and decided to take revenge on colonists that had them impisioned, tortured and so on. Or may be alien was actually trying to get away, but colonists were hunting him ,so had no choise but fight back.(Since there is no escape from big red).

As for the Lv-624. May be aliens were just sleeping in their caves when "evil" Colonist expedition intruded their territory, one them got close to the eggs, and once that they find out that infected colonist died from that. "Evil" colonist decided to take revenge for their fallen Husband/wife/child whatever, and once they atacked the caves, Queen woke up,Screeched and combat nested them all ( ) and procceded to infect them all. That would explain many captured colonists in the caves.

But hey that's just one of the possible Scenarious, WE DON"T KNOW WHAT HAD EXACTLY HAPPENED before the round starts.

[nerocavalier]

Jimmy should have known better than trying to atack a Huge lizard. Seriously you completly don't care it was Jimmy's fault. Just because someone in the same squad does not mean they are friends. Hell you can even hate people in the same squad. May be Jimmy was hated like Pvt Pyle. We don't know.

Jimmy did the right thing. He did more roleplay than his entire squad did. He rightfully shot the xeno queen which does not look friendly at all. It's horrifying.

Wildlife have been shot for things less than being spooky. Not only that but he did it with an incinerator of all things so he didn't metaknowledge that Queens and Ravagers were immune to fire.

It's a shame that everyone else will never RP as well as he did in that one moment.

[davidofmk771]

Actually We don't know the backstory, we don't know what caused the incident. We don't know the what HAS happened before the Round, we only know the results. Yeah there are bodies there. The fact that those people were innocent can be argued.

It really cant since the janitor and the chef would have absolutely no hand in whatever may have happened to bring the xenos to the colony. Why should they die too, especially since all the guns would obviously be in the hands of the marshals and not the civilians?

[misterjoper]

It really cant since the janitor and the chef would have absolutely no hand in whatever may have happened to bring the xenos to the colony. Why should they die too, especially since all the guns would obviously be in the hands of the marshals and not the civilians?

May be because they actually volunteered to join the angry MOB that was formed to take revenge for their relative. Who knows. And aliens don't care which proffesion a tallhost had, he atacked alien, that means he is hostile.

[nerocavalier]

May be because they actually volunteered to join the angry MOB that was formed to take revenge for their relative. Who knows. And aliens don't care which proffesion a tallhost had, he atacked alien, that means he is hostile.

By that logic, those marines should have killed those xenos when they killed little Jimmy.