small rant about the community.

[misto]

this community can pretend to be hardasses about dumb crap sometimes

"but in the lore it says" when "the lore" is an utterly inconsistent mess of movies, comic books and video games that is picked and chosen from or ignored at whim, whatever is most convenient in the moment

"but thats metagaming" as if expecting players to intentionally handicap themselves round after round after round for eternity is a remotely viable option in what is essentially a competitive team deathmatch game

"muh roleplaying muh immersion" y e a h r i g h t "alright marines stuff your faces with food and meet in briefing in 20 minutes for this dumb ass speech i have copy pasted every day for the past few months and the same plan that consistently gets us all killed. be sure to stand in line and ask for the same attachments you did the last few hundred times in a desperate effort to turn your shitty gun into something worth half a damn. remember to not weld vents shut as soon as you land because that's illegal for some reason, you have to wait until a few of your guys to get slaughtered by something coming out of the vents before you can do that, but still try to set up an incredibly thick layer of defenses at these certain points which definitely arent the same places ive told you to set up base the last thousand times"

or

"mommy what does "gun" mean? mommy what does "dropship" mean? mommy what does "medbay" mean? mommy what does "sd room" mean? mommy does fire hurt me? mommy whats this funny red dot? mommy whats this glowy thing that is beeping loudly and all the humans ran away from? mommy whats a "human"? me go poo poo in me alien diapey and need huggies and kissies"

[CrimsonAerospace]

So you're....bitching about Roleplaying in a Roleplaying game, and the horribly inconsistent lore we're loosely based on, but are mostly keeping to our own more linear, accurate, easy to understand lore? (Minus shit like Predators)

[Gerald888]

you know if you get bored play something else or change it up take just a flamer if it would be more fun for you than the same gun every time a lot of ss13 is as fun as you make it because its roleplaying

[misto]

if this were really all about the precious role playing this could all be done freeform on a forum or in a chatroom without need for game systems.

the role playing is a side-feature, an accessory

it is a puzzle game, because every game, at heart, is a puzzle game.

the puzzle is complex and fascinating, because it is asymmetrical warfare involving hundreds of players.

[Gerald888]

Well you aren't wrong.

[Karmac]

>spec uses gun he both intentionally has access to and is by game code allowed to use
>ohfuckthat'spowergamebetternerf

[Blade2000Br]

Yeah, you shouldn't be shit talking people for using what the game gives them. You can enforce mechanical limitations to prevent it from happening in the future, but it's not really their fault for playing the game. Someone else would have done it eventually, and maybe they'd have forced it to be removed.

that's the issue, people shouldn't exhaust the option to abuse a game mechanic to the point devs need to nerf it... then harass the devs indirectly by being passive-aggressive. Seriously, this get's stale after awhile, because no one gets hurt more than the marines themselves.

[TheDonkified]

that's the issue, people shouldn't exhaust the option to abuse a game mechanic to the point devs need to nerf it... then harass the devs indirectly by being passive-aggressive. Seriously, this get's stale after awhile, because no one gets hurt more than the marines themselves.

Yeah, but the issue is, why complain about people getting something removed if devs think it's a problem in the first place? If devs were okay with it, then it wouldn't have been removed. If they weren't, it was going to be bound to removed any way, and people not using it is just a matter of them not realizing it's a mechanic. You can't shame someone for playing the game and utilizing what they have available, and then getting that specific thing removed, if it was considered "bad" or "powergaming" in the first place. Why even make something an option if you DON'T want it to happen?

[LocalizedDownpour]

The only thing I have to say is that the sooner people see this as not a game to 'win' but a game to play and have fun, the better things will be for everyone.

Also some of you marine mains need to play xeno after you die once an awhile, you might actually see marine buffs every now and again.

The reason Xenos get buffed all the time and marines see nerfs is because no one actually switches sides as in intended, because for some reason the vast majority of players see the xenos as some taboo to play, so the xenos really need these buffs to remain any kind of competitive. When you see 150 marines against 30 xenos, all marines really have to do is just affix bayonets and charge, but people seriously have the gall to complain they can't cloak and shoot rockets anymore. Really?

[Heckenshutze]

The only thing I have to say is that the sooner people see this as not a game to 'win' but a game to play and have fun, the better things will be for everyone.

Your whole statement is correct but this sentence makes me cringe everytime I read it, from any player..

It makes us look like some poor, loser child that never wins anything and his/her mom says "It's ok sweetie, games are not for win but for having fun"

Man, if the game has 2 sides and one side has to eliminate the other, the damn game is to win. Pediod.

Having the game mechanics designed to make a side to win more or achieve the victory with less effort is another topic. So stop forcing this into players.

The only way to "play for fun" is to have a 24/7 extended round where you can respawn as soon you die.

There's fun in winning, it's something in our genes, winning is nice, it's cool and makes you feel good; the difference here is that winning in CM means shit because the next round nobody cares if you won or lose, it's a reset; the whole shit all over again, so playing all the times TO WIN will become stale as shit and at a least, will give you a headache and bore you beyond recovery.

[juliansl]

The only way to "play for fun" is to have a 24/7 extended round where you can respawn as soon you die.

You've got a nice idea there. What about an event where both sides can respawn freely, supply points are vastly multiplied and succumbing is reenabled. Also we'd have to either let the aliens spawn as evolved aliens or evolve really quick.

[Philby0]

Man, if the game has 2 sides and one side has to eliminate the other, the damn game is to win. Period.

There's fun in winning, it's something in our genes, winning is nice, it's cool and makes you feel good; the difference here is that winning in CM means shit because the next round nobody cares if you won or lose, it's a reset; the whole shit all over again, so playing all the times TO WIN will become stale as shit and at a least, will give you a headache and bore you beyond recovery.

This. Games and sports find their meaning in the existence of goals and opposition. It is about winning or losing, but it's just that whatever happens you're supposed to have fun while you play it, and if the game isn't fun when they lose then they probably don't really like the game at all.

However I don't think a 24/7 extended would help, I think it'd actually be the opposite. SS13 is made round based for a reason, like a board game, so that there can be proper death and big things. If anything, the game should be made slightly faster paced, to avoid exhausting 5 hours rounds.

[Cpkeyes]

Blade is an open guy who respects opinions and with which you can discuss. It's his opinion that's instantly dismissed by people who insult him for it and for the role he plays.
I've seen him be targeted by people OOCly for brigging them. He gets OOC threats and insults for playing by the rules.

He's not talking about people who want to have fun here. People who are having fun aren't toxic and they know it's a game and it's not that important. He's talking about people who want to be validated, who want to prove they're better than the rest, and who blame players for following rules they don't like.

You'll excuse me I think otherwise, but he was going on with this same exact rant in the discord a few days ago.

[Blade2000Br]

You'll excuse me I think otherwise, but he was going on with this same exact rant in the discord a few days ago.

It was not necessary this rant, More about talking that people should enjoy the game... And they dismissed it by calling my role out and saying their enjoyment is making sure as much xenos dies. In a single row. That was about it.

[TehSpoderman]

It was not necessary this rant, More about talking that people should enjoy the game... And they dismissed it by calling my role out and saying their enjoyment is making sure as much xenos dies. In a single row. That was about it.

People have different ways of enjoying a game. Just because they dont enjoy it the way you do does not mean they are not enjoying it.

[Blade2000Br]

People have different ways of enjoying a game. Just because they dont enjoy it the way you do does not mean they are not enjoying it.

Thats not the issue, the issue is those guys enjoying the game only if they are allowed to do anything from forth and beyond to guarantee that "delicious" marine win.
And then complain when the devs remove it.

Seriously, some said they were waiting for my Jban on MP by quoting meme statements on discord just because I stopped powergamey medics.
This is where shit crosses a line.

[Bronimin]

Reading space law now, time to jail some powergaming crybabies.

[Recounted]

As long as attachments are not touched in the devs hunger for marine nerfs I ain't salty

[NethIafins]

Dude... Do you want to win every single time as marine?

What number of times it will take you to bore the living fuck out of you? When you expect to lose but actually push it thru and get those delicious medals. When you hold the fort and don't expect it to go your way, but it does. All this happened, and when it happened it wasn't another Monday, it was like proper hard earned victory

I will end with two quotes, one from Apop (retold as I remember it) and one from you know who

-marines can win every round if they have perfect cooperation and coordination

-[we will do these things] not because they are easy but because they are hard

[Kesserline]

I feel it's not insane to be proud of what you did. But still not by being over proud and bragging all the time, so as to look for being the center of attention though.

You can be good, and make some truly good RP.

I believe that we have to set a balance, as ourselves, as players and roleplayers.
Look for the challenge, look for the victory, but not at the cost of discarding RP and realistic behaviour.

Also, the bragging thing is encouraged by separating Xenos from USCM, Xenos are antagonists without identities. They are the bad guys that make you have 30 % marine victory rate. They are the ones that prevent you to survive until the end of the round. They are a challenge, being proud of beating a challenge is not insane.

There are just.. limits.

You have to respect players OOCly, their chars are not them as players.
You have to respect the rules.
And then, respect the story, as a roleplayers.
And there, precisely there : you have your playing margin to optimize your load outs your tactics, your fighting style to enjoy CM as a player.

[LocalizedDownpour]

Can you imagine though. Perfect coordination and cooperation from marines? That perfect 'L shaped Ambush.

[Surrealistik]

Most of you are annoying man child's that can't take a death in a 2d spess man game...

blah blah blah

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

[Blade2000Br]

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

>calling me a scrub for telling the truth

and people still think I am not serious about the powergamers.

[Surrealistik]

>calling me a scrub for telling the truth

and people still think I am not serious about the powergamers.

I don't know about people getting hard about their KDR, and why your ridiculous rant was so focused on it; that kind of thing is actually pretty vanishingly rare, and I personally don't give a shit about mine.

That said, critiquing others for playing to win is retarded, and playing to win is not at all mutually exclusive with playing to have fun, or having fun regardless of the outcome as I often do barring one of those shitshows where I spend 30+ min in medbay because PFC #4593054 FFed me in the back with burst fire, or early round removal due to someone's monstrous incompetence/cowardice.

As to powergaming, powergamers actually do this game a service by pointing out weaknesses/failures in the game's balance/design. Without powergamers, CM wouldn't be nearly as good a game and would not have progressed nearly as quickly. Yes, it often results in nerfs/changes, but that's a good, not a bad thing; that is the game evolving into a better, more refined state.

Moreover, calling people out for making good use of the tools they're given and playing the game as it exists, rather than encumbering themselves with fictional, self-invented/imposed rules and limits is pretty much the height of stupidity.

[davidofmk771]

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

This is absolutely awful lol