Why u hate MP

[Philby0]

I think the solution is just a rewrite of marine law, honestly. I don't see the need for disorderly conduct when you also have hooliganism, because hooliganism will always = disorderly conduct but not vice versa, theoretically. Insubordination and neglect are pretty similar too, or at least can often be applied in the vast majority of cases. If you refuse a direct order to do something, that is simultaneously insubordination and neglect of duty, when it should really just be insubordination because of your refusal, and simply not doing necessary jobs would be neglect. I also don't see why disrespect is a crime in and of itself, when it would make a lot more sense to be a modifier to a crime without the ability to stack. Like for example, if you are insubordinate and you call your CO an "absolute mongoloid retard" it could certainly add 5 or 10 minutes to your time, but every subsequent perceived disrespect to the arresting officer is a bit extreme.

That covers almost all MP abuse, throwing multiple charges on something because they can. There's also the abuse of the min and max punishments, some MPs use max time only because "it's legal".
I understand why the disrespect stacks, but experience tells me it's useless. When someone insults you and you threaten to add disrespect, they're just gonna keep on typing insults until they reach perma. That's not a problem because they're pretty much directly asking to be put in perma at this point, but on the other hand some people get 4 disrespect charges for one sentence, so it's not really worth it.

I think the real problem with MPs isn't with marine law though, it's just the role. MPs are judge, jury and executioner, and unlike SS13's medical or engineering gameplay, social gameplay isn't a simplification of reality. You have real discussions with real people, and have to decide whether or not they're guilty and what punishment is fitting. Basically we aren't gonna get non griefy MPs unless we whitelist only law graduates.

I was thinking about adding an extra role, some sort of judge, a "law consultant" or something. MPs would still be allowed to brig people for up to 10 minutes, but for anything above that the suspect is brought before the judge, who declares whether they are innocent or guilty, and if guilty what punishment they will get, or maybe define the maximum punishment they will get, so the MP could decide to apply a lighter sentence.
This would bring balance, moderating griefy MPs, while not giving the judge too much power himself. The MPs would still have a lot to do, and the judge would have much more work than the CL

The judge could also deal with appeals, and be the 3rd person needed to authorise an execution. I think I'll go make a gitlab account....

[Karmac]

MP is a glorious job, you all don't understand how needed we are! We do God's work here!

no

[Dolth]

You're in the military, fun was never allowed.
Please join the next working party.

You get multiple warnings in the army and their ranking system isn't the same than ours which does NOT allow them to give you an order, then brig you for insub.

Also fun is allowed in the army.

[Solebat]

MPs are there only to abuse marines while touching each other's butts. The only reason to play MP is being an asshole.

[Royal Griffon]

no

The real job of an MP is to slowly convert the entire marine working class to Communism

[ghost120]

The real job of an MP is to slowly convert the entire marine working class to Communism

No worries there's one cure for communism.

Apply bullet to the head.

[Royal Griffon]

No worries there's one cure for communism.

Apply bullet to the head.

I've at least converted the POs and MTs good luck I'm heading to medbay next

[Martzin]

You're in the military, fun was never allowed.
Please join the next working party.

You're not in just any military; you're in a military for retards. Apop just wants to cull the herd so the server can be more realistic.

[Skimmy2]

I would say that the number of marines who get arrested when they arrive at a colony is quite realistic to the USMC counterpart.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

In the end its a game, but I think instead of the whole "MARINE LAW TRUMPS ALL" people who pick MP should remember to RP, after all it is a roleplay role first and foremost.
I got yelled at by a CMP because I handled a minor violation with a conversation and jokingly told the marine to drop and give me 20 for his offense.

edit: CMP should be a whitelisted role IMHO, or someone who is competent at the role should play it. I've seen some CMP's do some stuff that made my head spin. I also saw CMP's who appear to be way in over their head and need guidance and suggestions what to do. (I literally told a CMP what we should do an entire round and his response was "I like your thinking.") Although to be fair in real life, that's how military/para-military supervisors operate sometimes.

A little more value on life and how people RP/Play the game should be considered. I think sending a MP down into a hostile combat zone to arrest a whiskey thief MT who was hiding down there which pretty much led to his doom was quite foolish.

[Snooper44]

MP is a disliked job honestly because it's mainstream to hate the people who actually enforce rules and punish. Don't get me wrong, I have been arrested for some stupid stuff and have seen MPs preform so poorly I couldn't believe it (one tried to give a marine his baton to fight him while he was in the cell). But really the simple thing I learned after playing as a boot for so long is simply don't say anything to the MPs and don't do something stupid enough to catch their attention. Also, if you're in a cell telling an MP to fuck himself then very obviously you will get additional charges. As CMP I try my hardest not to add time on because a marine can't stop calling MPs autistic but really they are just setting themselves up. You should know better and if you want to get out you just just go mute and look away from the keyboard if you are so filled with salt, or actually try to do nice RP with the MPs and serve your sentence. I have given prisoners smokes and food as they were chill and got into some nice conversations.

Also to add on people wanting a 'lawyer role' or a whitelisted CMP, I think that'll do more bad then good. CMPs are the ones who make the big decisions when it comes to prisoners or some major thing ongoing on the ship. If you have 5 MPs that can't decide amongst eachother what do do according to marine law because they all disagree on how it's interpreted then you just have a cluster and divided MPs because none of the white listed CMPs are on. I think a proper solution to the problem of abuse is have new rules for CMP to remain in the brig at all times (sort of like a warden of regular SS13) and would only be permitted to leave occasionally for example if there's a lack of MPs and the CMP is the only one that can provide backup or respond to situations then it'd be acceptable. Or if he's called to CIC by the Commander or the CL's office. This way the CMP would never have to involve himself with arrests, because in the end the CMP job is the so called 'lawyer'. A CMP should always be unbiased and make critical decisions with the leverage of neither side to make it most fair.

[Loco52]

MP is a disliked job honestly because it's mainstream to hate the people who actually enforce rules and punish. Don't get me wrong, I have been arrested for some stupid stuff and have seen MPs preform so poorly I couldn't believe it (one tried to give a marine his baton to fight him while he was in the cell).

I did the baton thing, turns out the baton has an ID lock so I ahelped if I could do that because the prisoner was being loud about killing me, so I threw the stunbaton in there and the dumbo tried grabbing it and got instastunned. I laughed, then closed the cell.