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Re: Marriage

Post by Casany » 27 Jun 2018, 20:57

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I still have no idea what you mean when you say meta buddy. Because knowing marines between rounds is completely allowed, if not encouraged.
Knowing marines, sure yeah. There’s a difference between that and abandoning your squad so you and the marine can Rambo. It was a huge problem, back then. People would totally abandon their squads, and only speak to their buddies. They wouldn’t listen to command, wouldn’t listen to their squad, nor would they care. They would metagame, they would powergame, and they could do it a lot easier because usually they’d have people in all different roles all over the ship. Because of this squad cohesion was never a thing, most marines felt excluded, and many players just left because they felt like because they weren’t in those metagroups they weren’t allowed.

But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. The main issue was the toxicity and the superiority complexes that these squads fostered. They rarely let people into their groups and just absolutely shit on the new players. And because some people in the staff team were a part of these groups nothing was done until a staff purge happened and rules were added to stop it. Even then you got groups forming that hid from the forums and secretly metacommed. What your advocating is essentially allowing this toxic shit to happen. I left CM for a year from the summer of 2015 to the next summer because of these groups. Many new players just didn’t play. And if this is allowed to happen the same shit is gonna go down.
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Re: Marriage

Post by Blade2000Br » 27 Jun 2018, 21:04

I still don't understand what you didn't get about the part of "It's not happening" here.

Seriously. We won't add Marriage on the server. Never.
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Re: Marriage

Post by Bulaven » 27 Jun 2018, 21:28

Daturix wrote:
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Tbh sounds like "boo hoo people are having fun in other ways than a team deathmatch ss13"
Erm. I don't want to die, either due to someone ignoring my ass to save a piece of ass, or have an idiot disobey orders because they decided to put a ring on their boner.

Just my two cents.
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Re: Marriage

Post by Nantei » 27 Jun 2018, 21:29

Except it is now because it's not banned, as I already said. And the world has not been set aflame by this development, shocker.

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Re: Marriage

Post by Bulaven » 27 Jun 2018, 21:31

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I am a HAPPILY married woman, good sir! And everyone knows I am the best at marriages. THE BEST.
You sure you didn't just break their arm, Colonel?
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Re: Marriage

Post by Bulaven » 27 Jun 2018, 21:33

BladeBr wrote:
27 Jun 2018, 21:04
I still don't understand what you didn't get about the part of "It's not happening" here.

Seriously. We won't add Marriage on the server. Never.
Given the amount of flak about the topic, I would suggest adding the "No Marriage" clause back into the rules. Might snuff this topic once and for all.
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Re: Marriage

Post by taketheshot56 » 27 Jun 2018, 21:34

Bulaven wrote:
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Given the amount of flak about the topic, I would suggest adding the "No Marriage" clause back into the rules. Might snuff this topic once and for all.
Ive already taken the time to post the suggestion on the rules page.
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Re: Marriage

Post by Daturix » 28 Jun 2018, 00:20

Bulaven wrote:
27 Jun 2018, 21:28
Erm. I don't want to die, either due to someone ignoring my ass to save a piece of ass, or have an idiot disobey orders because they decided to put a ring on their boner.

Just my two cents.
Understandable merit there. But allowing fluff of this marinrs married to married so and so shouldnt be an issue. People already favour others naturally and just adding text to add more roleplay in a lore based server wouldnt do anything I see. People will metagame if they want. It's up to the admins to be smart and catch that shit which in my experience is pretty damn easy but different per server. The only realistic issue i could see happening would be metacoms/metagaming. Which tbe metagaming already happens every round and is ignored.

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Re: Marriage

Post by Bulaven » 28 Jun 2018, 00:43

Daturix wrote:
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Understandable merit there. But allowing fluff of this marinrs married to married so and so shouldnt be an issue. People already favour others naturally and just adding text to add more roleplay in a lore based server wouldnt do anything I see. People will metagame if they want. It's up to the admins to be smart and catch that shit which in my experience is pretty damn easy but different per server. The only realistic issue i could see happening would be metacoms/metagaming. Which tbe metagaming already happens every round and is ignored.
Call me stubborn, but I respectfully disagree with the legitimacy of marriage on this server, from a Metagaming and Metabuddy standpoint. But, I will respect your opinion on the matter, regardless of how staunchly opposed I am.
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Re: Marriage

Post by BillyBoBBizWorth » 28 Jun 2018, 02:13

Wasnt going to bother posting regarding this but considering how hot the topic is i thought id just say this,

I cant believe this is even a topic in a military server forums.This aint the fucking LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ forum.

Jeez
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Re: Marriage

Post by Torrentia » 28 Jun 2018, 02:42

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27 Jun 2018, 23:09
This. I'll let it ride for now. If it gets stupid and cringey I'll add it back in. Hopefully some players can treat this seriously, and I'll bet some are IRL husbands and wives that want to RP the same way.
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Re: Marriage

Post by Nantei » 28 Jun 2018, 03:02

Stop having fun reeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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Re: Marriage

Post by Solarmare » 28 Jun 2018, 03:17

Yes, they hate marriage and not the alcohol bag thing or the open bar thing directly pictured of you shouting about.
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Re: Marriage

Post by Torrentia » 28 Jun 2018, 03:32

Solarmare wrote:
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Yes, they hate marriage and not the alcohol bag thing or the open bar thing directly pictured of you shouting about.
Sadly the MPs planned to crash it before news of the bar was even announced :'( I had already booked the venue and chaplain so it was too late to cancel.

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Re: Marriage

Post by CABAL » 28 Jun 2018, 03:57

Just having Girl/Boyfriend isn't enough for your RP? If you want to play "old couple" you can say that you are together for 10 year without being married becouse you were bussy, or something. Marriage is not much diffrent in terms that you can play/show in SS13. Strict "Zero tolerancy to Marriage" is good becouse it cuts everything that comes next. First it would be this, then post about Gay Marriage, then about having two wives/husbands, then about something else. In a moment notice we would have to choose at "Character Panel" our genitals like in that one server mommy warned me about.
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Re: Marriage

Post by Nantei » 28 Jun 2018, 04:21

A classic slippery slope fallacy. Also no idea why you brought up gay marriage, I assumed the default would be allowed. ERP doesn't naturally follow marriage, that's patently absurd.

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Post by CaptainYankee » 28 Jun 2018, 04:44

CABAL wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 03:57
Just having Girl/Boyfriend isn't enough for your RP? If you want to play "old couple" you can say that you are together for 10 year without being married becouse you were bussy, or something. Marriage is not much diffrent in terms that you can play/show in SS13. Strict "Zero tolerancy to Marriage" is good becouse it cuts everything that comes next. First it would be this, then post about Gay Marriage, then about having two wives/husbands, then about something else. In a moment notice we would have to choose at "Character Panel" our genitals like in that one server mommy warned me about.
Just in case this isn't satire (I think it might be because it's a pretty funny reflection of society)

Why would we change the rules from 'Marines can't be married to anyone else on the Almayer" To "Marines can only be in a monogamous marriage to a member of the opposite sex" and not just removed?
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Re: Marriage

Post by Torrentia » 28 Jun 2018, 04:47

CABAL wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 03:57
Just having Girl/Boyfriend isn't enough for your RP? If you want to play "old couple" you can say that you are together for 10 year without being married becouse you were bussy, or something. Marriage is not much diffrent in terms that you can play/show in SS13. Strict "Zero tolerancy to Marriage" is good becouse it cuts everything that comes next. First it would be this, then post about Gay Marriage, then about having two wives/husbands, then about something else. In a moment notice we would have to choose at "Character Panel" our genitals like in that one server mommy warned me about.
Whoa whoa whoa who said anything about genitals? O_O
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Re: Marriage

Post by caleeb101 » 28 Jun 2018, 05:13

you'll both get killed/infected by xenomorphs anyways

on the off chance that you do get infected though, it means you can both experience having your first kids together... if the sentinel guarding you is nice enough to let you see each other before you burst
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Re: Marriage

Post by CABAL » 28 Jun 2018, 06:08

CABAL wrote:
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Just having Girl/Boyfriend isn't enough for your RP? If you want to play "old couple" you can say that you are together for 10 year without being married becouse you were bussy, or something. Marriage is not much diffrent in terms that you can play/show in SS13...
This is what I meant seriously. I've never been in military, but I can imagine that having a close relationship with somebody might affect how soldier will obey orders. Cabal Shephard that I'm playing is like cyborg on "Asimov" lawset, trying to obey every order from everyone (maybe besides other PFC's, they can ask, not order) and not having "friends" (I don't hang around with anyone specific between or in next round). I don't care if Charlie, or PFC Alexa Kovacs is being slaughtered underground if my order is to stay above and guard the entrenance. But if Alexa was my "buddy" i would consider it. Marines can already date and IC'ly:

" - Sarge, my girlfriend is there, I want to go."
" - Obey orders, soldier! There are a lot of flowers like that in the field"
" - Sir, yes Sir!"

With Marriage:

" - Sarge, my wife is there, I want to go."
" - Obey orders, soldier!"
" - Screw you, It's my wife!"
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Post by Torrentia » 28 Jun 2018, 06:36

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28 Jun 2018, 06:08
This is what I meant seriously. I've never been in military, but I can imagine that having a close relationship with somebody might affect how soldier will obey orders. Cabal Shephard that I'm playing is like cyborg on "Asimov" lawset, trying to obey every order from everyone (maybe besides other PFC's, they can ask, not order) and not having "friends" (I don't hang around with anyone specific between or in next round). I don't care if Charlie, or PFC Alexa Kovacs is being slaughtered underground if my order is to stay above and guard the entrenance. But if Alexa was my "buddy" i would consider it. Marines can already date and IC'ly:

" - Sarge, my girlfriend is there, I want to go."
" - Obey orders, soldier! There are a lot of flowers like that in the field"
" - Sir, yes Sir!"

With Marriage:

" - Sarge, my wife is there, I want to go."
" - Obey orders, soldier!"
" - Screw you, It's my wife!"
Man, you're barely coherent. But in your example the marine would get arrested for insub, problem solved and lesson learned. Already you have marines refusing orders because their favorite buddy/SL/whatever is elsewhere, it's just another layer.
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Re: Marriage

Post by CABAL » 28 Jun 2018, 07:01

So... If the problem already exist then is it wise to add another layer?

I feel it might be a long debate, so it might need fast and strong, but fair:
1. "Yes! Marriage Paradise!" - Yes
2. "Apply to Marriage Whitelist." - Whitelist
3. "Another layer of NO FUN ALLOWED" - No

Sure, that marine would get arrested, but not that fast, not groundside, not without lose of one (probably) decent soldier and not without lose of time for atleast one MP to take care of it.
Metabuddying is a problem, I've read that there was even a big problem in the past here and judging by the posts describing it, I don't want it to return. I'm stronlgly against anything that can repeat what I've ecountered somewhere else: Awfull squid with awfull lizard messing around with Sec officer Cabal with approval of Captain and administration.
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Re: Marriage

Post by ColonelCorazon » 28 Jun 2018, 08:05

The more you all post about marriage the more my power grows.
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Re: Marriage

Post by Symbiosis » 28 Jun 2018, 08:45

Wait, so MP’s flashbanged and arrested people and put them in perma brig without specifying why?

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Re: Marriage

Post by TehSpoderman » 28 Jun 2018, 09:44

if you want to marry in a 2d spessmen game, you are an actual degenerate
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