Should we abandon the lore?

[Azfrief]

I can't lie. I started playing here BECAUSE I'm a huge Alien/Predator fan. If this were just a combat-based SS13 server, I'd have been almost entirely disinclined to even touch it. To me, this was the only thing that made up for the lack of a good MP AvP game since AvP2. That being said, I'd miss the fun and camaraderie I've had with you guys over the years if I left. So it's a bit of a double-edged sword for me: Either I bail when we drop the Aliens lore/setting/sprites, or I stick around for a game that I derived 50% of my enjoyment from the setting, and the other 50% from the players.

Were not dropping it at all though? The name change is just temporary. For fuck's sake people, don't buy into this guy's bullshit.
And even if Disney DID have enough of an interest in us to try and change shit. The admins should know better than to give them anything. Regardless if that means arrests, lawsuit(s), and attempts to shut the server down.

[spookydonut]

Disney doesn't own aliens or fox yet.
Deal was only proposed not accepted and there are competing bids now. Unlikely to be settled in the near future.

[GoliathTheDespoiler]

I'm with Trollan on this, basically. I came to this server because it was one of the only sources of media where you can play as a xenomorph AND go through the lifecycle.

Don't even get me started on how insanely unique the gameplay is to literally any other game that isn't SS13.

I know that shit's gonna have to change, but honestly I'd appreciate if it was just the bare minimum, I love being a xenomorph, having xenomorphs, and fighting xenomorphs, I don't want my babies disappearing or anything crazy like that ;-;.

Though if we're just adding more backstory, factions, etc. I'm cool with that, those are just cool and fun.

[solidfury7]

Were not dropping it at all though? The name change is just temporary. For fuck's sake people, don't buy into this guy's bullshit.
And even if Disney DID have enough of an interest in us to try and change shit. The admins should know better than to give them anything. Regardless if that means arrests, lawsuit(s), and attempts to shut the server down.

What you're saying is retarded.

Nobody is going to put their IRL situation on the line, face arrests and lawsuits because they don't want to change a few things here and there which are ultimately either cosmetic or minor alterations in lore.

The people in contact with the lawyers will know what the IP holders want and they will work together with the staff to make a reasonable outcome.

[Freedominspace]

The THREE WORLD EMPIRE lore would be a lovely place to start on lore expansion.

This looks grand. I'd love to be able to help, but I'm not great at programming and I can't sprite for anything.

[RobBrown4PM]

I would say the cuts have been quite minimal thus far. I can live without Wey-Yu, the Colonial Marines title and a few others.

[Build_R_]

I can't lie. I started playing here BECAUSE I'm a huge Alien/Predator fan. If this were just a combat-based SS13 server, I'd have been almost entirely disinclined to even touch it. To me, this was the only thing that made up for the lack of a good MP AvP game since AvP2. That being said, I'd miss the fun and camaraderie I've had with you guys over the years if I left. So it's a bit of a double-edged sword for me: Either I bail when we drop the Aliens lore/setting/sprites, or I stick around for a game that I derived 50% of my enjoyment from the setting, and the other 50% from the players.

You bring up an important issue. If we're going to become CM-SS13 (and at this point I'm not sure, I thought the name was going to be permanent) then the server would have to rely upon its reputation as "the aliens server" to draw in new players, hopefully with the minimum amount of changes that DO happen the server will still remain recognisable as such.

[GenericUsername]

I think that as long as we focus more on the space nam part involving UPP and CLF being the backstory and give no origin to the xenos (No xenomorph prime or David experiments) we'll be cool.

[TastyCrabLegs]

Were not dropping it at all though? The name change is just temporary. For fuck's sake people, don't buy into this guy's bullshit.
And even if Disney DID have enough of an interest in us to try and change shit. The admins should know better than to give them anything. Regardless if that means arrests, lawsuit(s), and attempts to shut the server down.

Who are you?

[Maxim Inc]

Whatever. I can see I'm not going to get through to any of you on this so I can only hope that the server fucking dies since it's lost the only thing that made it actually worth a shit aside from a few of the people here. Have fun~<3

OK, bye. We'll do well without the likes of you.

[Azfrief]

OK, bye. We'll do well without the likes of you.

Oh I'm not leaving at all. Just disappointed beyond all possible levels.

[caleeb101]

there are gonna be some obunga tier ideas out here

[Sicikat]

Alien-ish lore is making the game more attractive. Wiping it out the lore would be just a changes for the sake of changes, which is never good.

[Khlorghaal]

I'm strongly in favor of this. Since I started my dev application I noticed immediately that adherence to the lore is limiting creativity.

I'm much more in favor of a Starship Troopers universe, which Alien is weakly derived from. However I don't think it is public domain . But that doesn't matter, because we wouldn't be copying, which is inherently bad imo, we would be deriving from.

[Casany]

I'm much more in favor of a Starship Troopers universe, which Alien is weakly derived from.

Starship troopers is based off a book that came out in 1959, loosely. By that I mean most of the movie focuses on the action while the book is politics, with only one mention of the bugs at all.

Alien also came out in 1979, Starship troopers in 1996.

Basically Alien isn’t derived from Starship troopers at all, they’re completely separate. Not can Aliens is derived from it since Aliens came out years before the Starship Troopers movie came out. If anything you could say Starship Troopers is derived from Alien!

Little film history for everyone

[Khlorghaal]

a book that came out in 1959

I'm talking about the book not the movie.
https://sites.google.com/a/newmyths.com ... n-military
They are dramatically different. The book is rather fascist, while the movie is a critical parody of it.
DARPA and the military IRL take lots of inspiration from it.

[Casany]

I'm talking about the book not the movie.
https://sites.google.com/a/newmyths.com ... n-military
They are dramatically different. The book is rather fascist, while the movie is a critical parody of it.
DARPA and the military IRL take lots of inspiration from it.

Oh yeah, I was just saying Alien isn’t really based on the movie or book. They’re their own separate entities

[Renomaki]

Oh yeah, I was just saying Alien isn’t really based on the movie or book. They’re their own separate entities

Well, to be honest, I think a lot of CM gameplay seems to have a very, ah... Starship Troopers vibe to it, really.

In ALIENS, the story focused on a single squad delving into a hellish nightmarescape overrun by xenomorphs, struggling to fend them off and survive while learning of a horrible conspiracy in the process.

Starship Troopers is about the human race having a war with a bunch of intelligent bug creatures, large scale battles with lots of bloodshed and explosions.

Really, we are already a sort of mashup between the two fictions, might as well develop it further and create a hybrid universe that creates untold potential for fresh RP and content

[Casany]

Well, to be honest, I think a lot of CM gameplay seems to have a very, ah... Starship Troopers vibe to it, really.

In ALIENS, the story focused on a single squad delving into a hellish nightmarescape overrun by xenomorphs, struggling to fend them off and survive while learning of a horrible conspiracy in the process.

Starship Troopers is about the human race having a war with a bunch of intelligent bug creatures, large scale battles with lots of bloodshed and explosions.

Really, we are already a sort of mashup between the two fictions, might as well develop it further and create a hybrid universe that creates untold potential for fresh RP and content

The game is for sure more like Starship Troopers than Aliens not gonna disagree.

[Maxim Inc]

I'm up for a lore change as long as the key gameplay elements are left alone really.

[Maxim Inc]

One thing everyone should remember here is that we are not just dealin with FOX anymore.

Guess who owns ALIENS?

DISNEY

And if there is one thing Disney likes, it is asserting their dominance, not unlike Nintendo who shuts down fan projects the moment they catch a whiff of them.

Welp. Disney officially owns Fox as of today...let's see what comes of it

[Nickvr628]

I agree that the game often feels more starship troopers than aliens.

The lobby music and mass dropship deployments tend to make it feel that way.

[Simo94]

i think the lore abandoned us, not the opposite.

IMO server needs its own lore that is a combination/reference for all the best/suited things in other franchises, if u make it based on one IP like starship troopers for example then the owners of starship troopers will point at u the same way Fox did lol

[DankAnimemes]

I personally wouldn’t mind going nutty out there, some more creativeness on the sides of Xeno castes, etc.

Pizza Xeno that spits flaming pizza at marines when?