Battlefield Executions topic

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

CM Survival Mode: Say good morning to the commander.

Thats pretty funny actually ha! New survivor role is added, your a pure civilian spawned on the Alamayer, objective : Dodge being Battlefield Executed by the ships Commander until round end whilst being forced ingame to converse with said Commander at all costs for information gathering.(Maybe the CL's patsy lol, basically your boss)

Example : Saying "Good morning to the commander."

Scenario : Try luring the Commander to a friendly game of B-Ball, befriending him and trying to get insider military information directly, not covertly.

Gold.I would actually start playing survivor again because its a specific role objective.But as a marine, naaah.

[Dolth]

You misunderstand my point, really.

The whole issue with current CO BE's lies in the fact they indeed follow rules, as in "feeling the marine is a threat", yet there are other ways to fix the issue that might take more time/effort yet STICKS TO THE HIGH RP STANDARD expected from a CO.

Shooting someone dead because they are insulting a CO is dumb af and shouldn't be seen on any server meant to be RP the slightest.

Also whoever sent me the big ass text I didn't read last week, sorry, I was really busy. But then I will just say your example is grey zone and from far more defendable than most low RP BE we have.

[Blade2000Br]

Again, chiming in on the subject, I don't think BEs are that abused. Sure, we have alot of shitty BEs, but in my personal opinion, with the type of players we have, it's not really fa fetched to have then behave the way they do Right now.

But things will change, so keep an eye on that.

Also, if you are CO, use the MPs. I can't stress that enough but MPs are not antags, so don't take things to your own dam hands when you have a MP team to rely on, unless they are dumb. Then you ahelp it.

[Loco52]

What's the point of having the ability to BE if all the time we gonna get the same "unga he BEd me shit commander revoke whitelist, all I did was eliminate an entire marine squad with my negligence"

Suck it up fams, you got BEd, move on with your lives or just push for it to be removed (and inb4 commander whitelisted players shortage)

Covering up the salt with fancy words won't make it taste sweeter.

[Troika]

Meanwhile there's a CO that literally tried to BO someone for wearing a clown mask. You're so full of it.

[Chaznoodles]

BEs currently exist purely because the majority of Commanders have zero respect from the playerbase, and it's a way for them to enforce what they want rather than what's good for the round and players. Commanders lean extremely heavily on BEs, even as a first resort. The removal of BEs would result in Commanders who think over what they're saying or ordering before doing it, as they wouldn't be able to remove anyone who says no from the round.

[solidfury7]

“Sir your shoes untied”
“What did you say about me you little bitch?”
*unholsters Mateba*

~Mateba spinning intensifies~

[Renomaki]

BEs currently exist purely because the majority of Commanders have zero respect from the playerbase, and it's a way for them to enforce what they want rather than what's good for the round and players. Commanders lean extremely heavily on BEs, even as a first resort. The removal of BEs would result in Commanders who think over what they're saying or ordering before doing it, as they wouldn't be able to remove anyone who says no from the round.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of COs that abuse their BEs either, but if there is one thing I learned about being a CO, it is that people hate authority.

Even without the BEs, people would treat commanders like shit because, unlike in real life, they didn't have any training to drill in any respect for their superiors, so they just act like douchebags to their higher ups because they don't give a shit about what they have to say, moreso if it goes against their own beliefs and opinions.

It doesn't help that COs are often quite... Underwhelming. All they do is give orders, and that is it. They don't give marines special buffs when alive or have any special abilities to them, and even staff won't really do much with commanders due to how little true power they actually have. They are just an SO with a fancy uniform who has a personal smartgun, more or less.

Marines will never respect COs unless they are a big meme or a heavy duty powergamer that gives marines what they want (and not in the good kind of way). If you are a harsh CO, marines will just flip you off and not give a shit about whatever punishments you dish their way. Play a more softer CO, and they'll push you over and treat you like a doormat more than a leader. And if you are the kind of CO that likes to ham it up with RP like I do, chances are you'll just get mocked for being a weener because people don't want a CO that is *gasp* a person who plays a role, they want a 5th smartgunner to support the attack on the xeno hive and nothing more.

Honestly, I could go on and on about this, but case in point: Marines don't respect COs enough because there is not enough incentive to give a damn about the chain of command, and the BE system is just a bandaid for a big gaping scar that needs proper treatment.

[zoboomafoo]

What I think, honestly? Play with fire, you get burned. Every single BE I've witnessed (though not every BE in history I'm sure) has spawned from someone doing dumb shit.

Egregious BE's seem to be much less commonplace now than months ago, in addition.

Don't do dumb shit to provoke a BE and you won't get executed/arrested/what have you.

[Dolth]

As I said plenty of time, the whole issue comes from the fact Commanders are meant to respect high RP standards and thus BE'ing someone because he insulted the CO or killed a whole squad with or without malicious intent IS low RP. Which doesn't match with required standards.

It doesn't have anything to do with 'salt' or people 'playing with fire', it has to do with respecting what a CO is supposed to be according to rules/guidelines.

As for the BE you saw, I bet my dick a good amount of thm could of been avoided and having their problem solved by either demotion or MP actions or marines themselves.

[Vampmare]

My first opinion was to only use the BE in RP situations that required it, mutiny and the likes. That has quickly changed and I find myself using the BE to deal with LowRP/shitlers more often these days.

It's really frustrating to attempt any kind of RP as a Commander and be met with a naked man running around disarming everyone in Briefing. This naked man might be slightly famous and so when the MPs move to arrest him, his squad decides that he should be rescued. Mutiny ensures. The other side is that the MPs are incompetent and you end up with nothing being done. It just ends up as LowRP beats LowRP in the form of a BE. If you want anyone kind of respect as a Commander, it's almost expected to BE that person in Briefing. This is where the roleplaying playerbase meets the "I just want to win"-playerbase and they're probably about the same size.

It's a tricky situation and it's as Renomaki mentioned that BE is a bandaid on a much bigger issue. That being said, Staff has been talking about CO whitelist changes and BE changes will likely follow that.

[Dolth]

My first opinion was to only use the BE in RP situations that required it, mutiny and the likes. That has quickly changed and I find myself using the BE to deal with LowRP/shitlers more often these days.

It's really frustrating to attempt any kind of RP as a Commander and be met with a naked man running around disarming everyone in Briefing. This naked man might be slightly famous and so when the MPs move to arrest him, his squad decides that he should be rescued. Mutiny ensures. The other side is that the MPs are incompetent and you end up with nothing being done. It just ends up as LowRP beats LowRP in the form of a BE. If you want anyone kind of respect as a Commander, it's almost expected to BE that person in Briefing. This is where the roleplaying playerbase meets the "I just want to win"-playerbase and they're probably about the same size.

It's a tricky situation and it's as Renomaki mentioned that BE is a bandaid on a much bigger issue. That being said, Staff has been talking about CO whitelist changes and BE changes will likely follow that.

Running around naked and disarming everyone is against the rules and should be met with OOC punishment and not IC.

A mutiny because "my friend has been arrested" will/should NOT be accepted by the staff and thus won't be valid.

If the arrest doesn't happen then your MPs are shit and that's just rough incomptence, given the tools they have.

Your point is irrevelant.

Also two wrongs doesn't make a right.
Answering shit RP with shit RP is garbage and again, doesn't fit the so called 'high RP standards' you acknowledged when writing your now accepted app.

[Bancrose]

Real talk. I became a Commander so I could battlefield execute. Commanders a soft grief role. prove me wrong.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Real talk. I became a Commander so I could battlefield execute. Commanders a soft grief role. prove me wrong.

When the marines are so screwed you start BEing the xenos.

[Bancrose]

When the marines are so screwed you start BEing the xenos.

Every Xeno kill is a BE if you fired the last shot.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Being a CO:

Expectations: I'm going to lead this operation and score a victory and get to some awesome roleplay

Reality: I will not BE the next motherfucker who antags me, I will not BE the next motherfucker who antags me. *Goes mad and becomes Xeno main*

[Karmac]

Being a CO:

Expectations: I'm going to screw this operation and cause a marine loss and ruin somebody's roleplay

Reality: As above

god I love being a CO

[Vampmare]

-snip-

"should" You are quite right there, but the reality is different. Staff likes to keep everything IC and if they start banning people for those Briefing lowRP, well then we're gonna lose all the grunts.

Right now the best tool the Commander has to deal with this is the BE, MPs or Staff. Staff are unlikely to deal with every situation and they shouldn't, I prefer they keep it IC. That leaves the MPs and BEs and we're back in the circle. I agree that shitRP isn't the way to deal with shitRP and I do try to give plenty of warning before actually comitting to a BE, so that anyone that has the slightest intentions of RPing gets the chance.

Everyone should try a round of random name XO, just to see how it is in Command and the amount of people that bait BEs.

[Gnorse]

Agreed. I fucking dare you to random name once or twice as CO/XO. You will literally get zero respect.

[Renomaki]

Agreed. I fucking dare you to random name once or twice as CO/XO. You will literally get zero respect.

Even static namers tend to get little in the way of respect, no matter how [in]famous they are. Even big memes like Carson tend to have people that go out of their wait to bait a BE from them.

If the whole "Charlie VS Delta" thing is anything to go by, marines tend to form more tribal mentalities rather than a proper chain of command, where the only people worth listening to are people who share your colors. It is why it is common for riots to break out when important members of a squad get punished in any way, even if said marine was arrested for a damn good reason.

It is also why sometimes you'll have squads that go against simple orders from command, simply because they'd rather listen to their NCO (or even SO) than the COMMANDER OF THE ENTIRE BATTALION. I remember one particular round where an SO of a squad, using one-way communication, went completely against my orders and ordered their squad to retreat from a position despite my orders to hold their ground, causing countless other marines to die due to the lack of support. He even bragged about it in OOC round end, as if he was PROUD he blatantly went against his commanding officer's orders.

... Now that I think about it, Even SOs sometimes rebel against their commander, identifying more with their squad than with the command staff and sometimes being fairly troublesome themselves.

COs just can't get a break, can they?

[Dolth]

It's not about getting respect it's about going along that high RP standard you're supposed to have as a CO and not BE'ing someone because "He's low RP so I'll do justice myself".

Now DOA if that was adressed to me you're highly disappointing me but.
Say what.
Challenge accepted. I will roll XO with random name.

[Gnorse]

-snip-

not addressing anyone in particular with that sentence. I'm just saying that everyone should at least random-name once or twice. It's a real eye opener.

With that said, I've noticed people doing the stupidest shit, essentially baiting COs to execute them just so they can whine.
I'm not saying all BEs are justified, I'm just saying I noticed this exact thing happening too often.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Baits CO into getting battlefield executed
Complains and tries to report CO for improper BE

Seriously if you bait a CO into them BEing what do you really expect to happen?

[Renomaki]

It is even worse when marines end up going rouge and giving the MPs hell because they don't want to go to the brig... For FIVE. MINUTES.

BEs, as shitty as they are, were supposed to be a system to instill fear in marines for going overboard with stupidity, an IC way to BAN THEIR ASS for the duration of the round (unless they decide to join the xenos). However, over the months since its implementation, it has become more of a joke than anything.

Hell, as some have mentioned earlier, some marines even try to BAIT COs into killing them, as if it is a game to see how far they can go before the CO snaps and kills them in front of 50 marines.

We can't have the staff handle everything, and BEs are clearly nothing more than a tool marines use as an excuse to start a mutiny or riot. Clearly, we need something better to deal with troublesome marines that won't result in excessive amounts of salt.

[Dolth]

It is even worse when marines end up going rouge and giving the MPs hell because they don't want to go to the brig... For FIVE. MINUTES.

BEs, as shitty as they are, were supposed to be a system to instill fear in marines for going overboard with stupidity, an IC way to BAN THEIR ASS for the duration of the round (unless they decide to join the xenos). However, over the months since its implementation, it has become more of a joke than anything.

Hell, as some have mentioned earlier, some marines even try to BAIT COs into killing them, as if it is a game to see how far they can go before the CO snaps and kills them in front of 50 marines.

We can't have the staff handle everything, and BEs are clearly nothing more than a tool marines use as an excuse to start a mutiny or riot. Clearly, we need something better to deal with troublesome marines that won't result in excessive amounts of salt.

Yes, you can have the staff handle everything RELATED TO SERVER RULES. The rules and BE rule and CO guidelines are all three CLEAR. Even if BE'ing "when you feel threatened" is smooth and can be understood many ways, it's still clear.
If someone is being a sissy and trying to get a BE, ignore him, if he's preventing you from doing your mission or just doing around, send MP for hooliganism/insubordination/neglect of duty/whatever fits.
If he's out of bound and just go, as stated above, naked and disarming everyone. That can be considered griefing and staff can handle it, they are here to assist us having a good round and therefor YES, they CAN handle that kind of thing.

Rules are supposed to be made to be easy to understand to have a mechanical logic to fall on, the one I just wrote above for said example.
Greyzone situations are REALLY more rare than you think, but yeah, if people are meant to be 'banned/punished', either it's OOC dealt, either it's IC, but it's rarely legit to throw a BE for anything that can be dealt another way.