Katashi Juro vs. The state of CM

[Loco52]

Your gimmick is my signature.

You might be banned but Katashi will stay in my heart forever.

Find the right wayaru, Katashi-san

[solidfury7]

As someone who has played a character with a stereotypical accent for a very long time, I feel like I can simplify the problem you're experiencing:

The problem is that the racial stereotype gimmick seems to be the entire character.

There's a dramatic difference between the perception of a character that includes a racial stereotype, and a character that is entirely a racial stereotype.
Effective leader or not, competent player or not, if the way you express the character is just the stereotype, it is going to rub people the wrong way.

That said, Juro is not the only example of this problem, and there are other players who have similarly simplistic stereotypical characters who don't get called out on it, and maybe should.
Slav gopnik CHEEKI BREEKI shit is still pretty common. One of the differences between them and Juro is simply that all you have to do to make your character sound Slav is to shuffle the way you use words slightly, and insert shit like "cyka" in every once in a while, and people will hear it in their heads as Russian because of the way we commonly hear people use words in that way.

Ivan Slavovich: "Yes, is good day to go to war."
Evan Simpson: "Yes, it's a good day for war."

The end result is a lot less jarring, it's still easy to understand what's being said without actually having to filter it in your brain, and even though it's just as much of a stereotype, it doesn't come off the same way, even though it should.

Ijoshi Sukuda: "Hai, it is good day for waru! Banzai!"

The expression of the stereotypical accent requires more adjustment to standard English, so it reads weirder, requires actual awareness instead of reflex, and so is more jarring for people.

In my experience though, it doesn't actually matter if you do that kind of stuff if you go out of your way to make a more complicated character than that. If all you are is that stereotype, it's gonna irritate people, but if you wrap the stereotype around a more legitimate and interesting character, people are way more likely to accept it.

Whether or not Katashi Juro is actually a deeper character than the stereotype is up for debate, and up to YOU as the creator to decide, but if you want people to see him as more than just the stereotype, you have to work a lot harder to show that.


I played a semi-famous French-ish character in SS13 for years, complete with a sometimes difficult to read accent, but it never really got trashed on the way I see people trash on Juro, and I think it was because I went out of my way to make sure it was a more well-rounded character than just being that stereotype... even if all I really had to do was throw in entirely different bundles of cliches.

If you want Juro to be accepted, what you'll have to do is find a zen balance between having a ridiculous accent, and coming across as a character who is more than just his accent.

This.

You're going to get trashed if your whole identity is based around a very shallow aspect.

It's not interesting for more than a few rounds, it's like that guy you likely know whos WHOLE life revolves around 420 blaze it

You'll notice most gimmick characters quickly change and become more well-rounded characters or they simply become irritable or fade into obscurity.

Too much of one thing and you'll spoil the broth, less is more, my friend.

[Aracino]

I hear everything that character says in this voice.



(That's not exactly who I want running the entire operation)

[BruceJuice69]

This.

You're going to get trashed if your whole identity is based around a very shallow aspect.

It's not interesting for more than a few rounds, it's like that guy you likely know whos WHOLE life revolves around 420 blaze it

You'll notice most gimmick characters quickly change and become more well-rounded characters or they simply become irritable or fade into obscurity.

Too much of one thing and you'll spoil the broth, less is more, my friend.

But do the gimmick characters who don’t change to fit the status quo get banned? Like I said earlier I try not to make the way my character talks the central tenet of his personality. Or is it just that some people don’t like my character so I deserve to be banned? I really don’t understand why I’m being prosecuted for doing something almost everybody else does which is make something special about their character, that’s what a character is isn’t it?

[Urytion]

-aru is pretty much always going to be wrong and an offensive stereotype. -u is more realistic and often how English loan words are written in Japanese katakana. At one point you put -aru on the end of a Japanese word. That's just retarded.

Also, what others have said before is pretty much right. Mix in the occasional Japanese word, and omit certain words in English (like "it", for example) If you're leading a charge shout TENNOHEIKA BANZAI! Marines love a good meme, but when you're being so ridiculously obvious about it it just gets grating.

My suggestion would be to play a few rounds around the ship as just an average American marine that's boring and has no personality, and just watch the other memey stereotypes floating around and see how they do it. They have personalities, friends, and their gimmicky speech patterns don't take over all their conversations.

[Tetrino]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNMHBYPz_2k

This is an example of how a Japanese person would sound like after learning English among Americans long enough to be fluent.

The difference between common Eastern European and Russian stereotypes RPed on this server and what you do on Katashi is that the stereotypical Russian accent is based in part on how English directly translated from Russian sounds like. Meanwhile, English translated directly from written Japanese would not contain -aru arbitrarily attached to English words.

[BruceJuice69]

I do actually mix in Japanese words pretty frequently, what’s hard about that though is my Japanese vocabulary is pretty limited, but I think you’re right about the aru part. Up until I was banlessley banished I was trying to faze out the arus for us, I think I said that in my original post. Also, I don’t really wanna copy how other people play their gimmick characters. I think my character has plenty of personality as is. I just wish that the admin who told me to make a forum thread because he didn’t want to hear my argument would talk to me about it.

I’m not a language expert and neither are the Russian guys. I think you’re overthinking it a little. I’m just doing my best to sound Japanese through typing.

[Dolth]

Fucking let the man play the game. We are trashing gay people all day long and no one barely cares.
But when that dude goes with a sterotyped accent people think it's offensive? Screw you. It's a damn game AND medium RP.

[Vispain]

I'm conflicted.

On one hand he reminds me of Aoi Bell, but a decent person version. Said accent is a little much at times. Toning it down a bit with the -u's instead of aru's I guess is cool.
On the other hand, we have other players who have played to heavy stereotypes who are fine.


All in all, I think to avoid more trouble with other players and staff he could tone it down a bit like other people suggested.

oh and something I learned from a couple experiences I had with "accent" characters I played...Going to route of playing a character who speaks English badly is tough. Adding the '-u's' and such is the way to go...just maybe tone it down to avoid controversy.



To Juro, you probably don't know who Aoi is.
Aoi Bell was a meme Japanese/North Korean/Chinese player. One of the things they did for example, they would go B18 with two M41As with gryos, ditch the helmet and gun in a disposal and Rambo.

[FrankieB]

As an Asian American, personally I don't find the accent racist. However I do find it unrealistic that someone higher then the rank of Sergeant would have it. If your just playing as a Pfc, sure Rp that you just got transferred from the JDF or something; but someone in a role higher then sergeant would have had to spent years in the corps working with Americans and in that environment people just don't hold on to accents. Its not just Japanese people talk to anyone that has lived in the U.S. for a while and most times you can't tell where they are from based on their speech.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

I kinda agree with Frankie with Julio I adapt different mannerisms depending on my role.

If I’m a PFC/SG/Spec I portray Julio as a silly Chicano gang banger type who swears more than a sailor.

If I’m a MP/CMP I portray Julio more as a bit of a friendlier street smart

If I’m SO/XO/CO I’m more like the friendly spanish uncle

Look up a YouTube video for an old game Star Lancer. There is a Japanese admiral who you can probably emulate when you play Juro in a command role

[Loco52]

I belong to the Katashi Juro fan club. We love you Katashi-san. Press F to pay respects.

[BruceJuice69]

I belong to the Katashi Juro fan club. We love you Katashi-san. Press F to pay respects.

Thanks man, it really warms my heart lookin at your signature

And I was thinking about the realism thing today and I think that it’s perfectly possible to have a naval officer with an accent, especially if you take into the account that it’s the future. I was thinking about making a backstory roughly along the lines of, Katashi growing up on a UPP colony world or something and escaping to the UA where he’s sponsored by the company cause he can read good. Then he goes and gets either into a naval academy and gets a commission or he works on a space cargo ship and gets commissioned cause of rising tensions or something like that. I’m under the impression that the upp controls Japan so any story would probably be along those lines.

[Bancrose]

I remember one time a certain player with CO whitelist decided he wanted to play as a black commander with a ghetto, embarrassingly stereotypical personality. I was part of the staff at the time of witnessing this, and the whole staff team was completely devided on how to handle it.

He spoke like a street thug and gave a man a medal of heroics for bringing a drink machine full of grape drink to the CiC, making a massive mockery of the command structure to the point that higher ranking staff had to come in and tell him to knock it off. ICly, he was forced to step down from his leadership position, but OOCly he was able to keep his whitelist.

some time later, we got Heinz, who became a big meme due to how he would rework the entire marine corps into the German Grenadiers, which Feweh would capitalize on and end up turning him into a nazi a few times. Nowadays he has toned it down a lot, but he still is a fairly popular commander in the community.

MFW Reno still complaining about mein High RP.

[Renomaki]

MFW

Well it IS true, you know. You lucky you even got to keep your whitelist to this day.

And it wasn't so much complaining as retelling an old tale.

[Bancrose]

Well it IS true, you know. You lucky you even got to keep your whitelist to this day.

And it wasn't so much complaining as retelling an old tale.

Yeah ok Retard. Complaining about my High RP isn't going to change it.

[XenonDragneel]

oooof

[Jayfeather]

I really do like Katashi, though I also agree that he should be slightly more...comprehensive. But I think the guy will figure out the perfect balance with all this community pressure he doesn't need to have. One of the few characters who can actually inspire his boys under his command, or create amusement and raise morale.

[Chaznoodles]

Yeah ok Retard. Complaining about my High RP isn't going to change it.

[Karmac]

personally I think this man is giga-retarded and his kind should be burninated

[simonset55]

Local man sees his meme gimmick as HRP

[carlarc]

big brain man resorts to ad hominem after being bullied by virtual person

[Bancrose]

Local man sees his meme gimmick as HRP

Mudder don't you mean great gimmick is HRP?

[awan]

Mudder don't you mean great gimmick is HRP?

People did take issue enough to player report though.

[Bancrose]

People did take issue enough to player report though.

Minor Interference, Nothing to be worried about.