An example of how many bullets a Predator can currently soak

[Feweh]

Meta is also acting upon knowledge you shouldnt know but do. In real life you'd never pursue or hunt a alien creature who cloaks and fires lasers.

You'd be hard pressed to find almost any person willing to do so. However, every marine on the server has no problem going all out to hunt Predators.

They do this because they know the Predator ruleset and its form of engagement from prior rounds.

[Dyne]

I dont like what you are or saying on a very personal level, I have to admit.
As it sounds to me "dont touch the demigods or die".
Doesnt feel in the least fair or balanced.

Coming back to the "meta"- why dont you think marines, brave and trained men, wont hunt an alien, be it lizard acid spitting or laser firing?

[Feweh]

I dont like what you are or saying on a very personal level, I have to admit.
As it sounds to me "dont touch the demigods or die".
Doesnt feel in the least fair or balanced.

Coming back to the "meta"- why dont you think marines, brave and trained men, wont hunt an alien, be it lizard acid spitting or laser firing?

I'm actually one of the biggest people who push fair balance and active discussion. Which is relevent if you went through all my post history you'd see.

Also, the Marines are for the first time in their lives seeing Xeno's and a random cloaking guy firing lasers. Let's not be silly here and pretend in a real life situation theyd be ramboing any of the situations.

[Keyword]

I'm actually one of the biggest people who push fair balance and active discussion. Which is relevent if you went through all my post history you'd see.

Also, the Marines are for the first time in their lives seeing Xeno's and a random cloaking guy firing lasers. Let's not be silly here and pretend in a real life situation theyd be ramboing any of the situations.

Exactly, they think they have the advantage because of the numbers, they don't know they are terribly wrong because they've never seen it fight before.
Besides, if it shot at you, you want to kill it. That's in my opinion the way marines behave.
But if you mean a single marine seeing it and chasing it, that's pretty dumb, and will meet his death.

[snow5445]

TBH if i see a predator IRL i give one warning shout. then LIGHT HER UP!!!. Seriously don't fuck with those things. I mean really is this a friendly face to you?
http://www.impulsegamer.com/articles/wp ... or3d-1.jpg

[Dyne]

Also, the Marines are for the first time in their lives seeing Xeno's and a random cloaking guy firing lasers. Let's not be silly here and pretend in a real life situation theyd be ramboing any of the situations.

Ramboing aka chasing it alone?
Sure no, unless they had reasons.

Light it up with all they got unless it seems friendly/allied?
I believe yes.

[snow5445]

Anyways. I mean a preadator soaking that many bullets dying later or not is just absurd man. It's more robust than a ravager. Plus it had a fucking knife in it. That thing was dead when that knife got stuck in it. Not immediately but ya know. Not to mention a standard assualt rifle round. Shotgun shells and what ever else hit it.

For comparison. Marine combat knife in reality.
http://www.kabar.com/images/products/kn ... tail_1.png


Considering we are using a futuristic variant of the M4 rifle. Im assuming it uses non pistol caliber rounds like the 10mm instead uses actual fucking 308 rounds. Believe me the M14 DMR was my serivice weapon for years.

http://api.ning.com/files/3KlL0DaMiDTH- ... CDAmmo.jpg

Here are the effects of a standard 308 incindary round. Standard issue ammunition when i was in the marines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGYF8DTLcj4 Yes 7.62x51 is the same round as a 308.

Also against steel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQPpBG7xNhI

So yea.

[YummyToast]

One time me and one other marine managed to solo a Predator. He went cloaked and I just beat him down with my fireaxe. He was stunned for quite some time but I let him go in exchange for his knife. So I guess two-handed fireaxe is a worthy counter ;3

[Feweh]

One time me and one other marine managed to solo a Predator. He went cloaked and I just beat him down with my fireaxe. He was stunned for quite some time but I let him go in exchange for his knife. So I guess two-handed fireaxe is a worthy counter ;3

That was me, very honorable of you.

Youre the only Marine aside from Wooki that Ive ever rewarded a sword for a honorable fight.

[Steelpoint]

This video should help illustrate my point of how damn durable Predators are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzz_3bQHyiY

It really seems like actual bullets and shell's aren't enough of a hindrance to a Predator. This could range from their inability to penetrate deep enough to the Predator's internal organs being highly robust and hard to hit or damage.

[Dreviore]

Well in AVP you can sneak behind the marines since they dont have a 360 degree field of view/eyes on the back of their head
And preds can easily jump away

I'd be all for giving marines a cone of vision.

Would make staying in squads much more demanding.

But as a xeno (And hopefully soon predator) player, I'm all for things that make marines lives even harder.

[Dreviore]

Ramboing aka chasing it alone?
Sure no, unless they had reasons.

Light it up with all they got unless it seems friendly/allied?
I believe yes.

You mean like marines just shooting at potential wildlife?

Get real. A marine wouldn't shoot at it unless it approached them as hostile.

Just like I had a run where a runner, and myself kept a group of seven marines distracted for a good two or so minutes through roleplay (Was a fun round). We just acted as wildlife (And to the marines up until one of them turned meta, and shot at my partner, so I jumped him, dropped a facehugger on him knocking his helmet off), and ran away with my new found friend.

[Dyne]

So you claim marines wont tooth a sabretooth lion?

[Feweh]

So you claim marines wont tooth a sabretooth lion?

Real life? No

Unknown planet? Probably

[spheretech]

The problem is when you see a high value target you shoot it and you enter a complete blood haze state with tunnel vision, which is probably why people chase things.

[Steelpoint]

A interesting thing I noticed from watching Predator 2 is how their armour is not actually that great.

A Predators strength comes from their own durability and not their equipments, I noticed in one scene (warehouse) how a several slugs from a shotgun were able to easily penetrate the Predators armour and wound it.

The armour did seem effective at stopping bullets in long range combat, but up close the armour did not seem very effective. If anything I think the armour's more ceremonial than practical, or just for mounting some of the Predator's equipment.

[Felkvir]

A interesting thing I noticed from watching Predator 2 is how their armour is not actually that great.

A Predators strength comes from their own durability and not their equipments, I noticed in one scene (warehouse) how a several slugs from a shotgun were able to easily penetrate the Predators armour and wound it.

The armour did seem effective at stopping bullets in long range combat, but up close the armour did not seem very effective. If anything I think the armour's more ceremonial than practical, or just for mounting some of the Predator's equipment.

In the scene you're speaking of, one couldn't actually see the shots hit the armor ... The slugs literally made contact with flesh each time, and i think its ridiculous compared to pred1 where the predator got hit 1 time and had to operate himself.

I personally think they reserve their better/more covering armor for non-hunting trips or maybe sport trips .. When they actually want a fight the armor might make it a bit boring for them, considering they have such advanced technology.. It's already been stated in that same movie that their stuff is made of completely different compounds.

[Steelpoint]

In the video I linked above go to the shot at the 0:05 second mark. You can see the slug hit the armour and the blood splattering beneath the armour, you can argue that this is due to the slug hitting near the edge of the armour but I think its clear that the slug in this scene did penetrate the armour.

If you want to dig into the lore its also very evident that Predators do hold military grade equipment and armour, such as more enclosing personal armour and much more reliable, and hand held, plasma weapons that seem more akin to human assault rifles. But these are not used during hunts, only for very serious/important Predator operations and that they are usually used as apart of larger strike teams.

[Lostmixup]

Marines try to hunt pred's because they're an alien. You don't know if they helped the xeno's cause the mess or not, but either way it's probably safer to shoot first and ask later from the marine's pov.

[snow5445]

In pred 1 by the way. the thing actually was shot 200 times with a minigun.

[Gelonvia]

I gotta admit.... The Glaive is awesome, found a dead Pred, stole his Glaive only with admins permit, then used to kill a Queen that only had 7 shots from a Rifle in it. I killed it in two swings, was fucking brutal...I didn't even have a helmet, down right charged the Queen. Then again that's just Casca. However, I will say this guys... there's a method to beat Predators. You shoot them with a fucking taser, i'm sorry to tell you guys your to pre-occupied with trying to kill it, yes their gear is Strong, but its supposed to be after some shit Aliens pulled. However, huge fix! You shoot them with tasers, knocks them right out, then stun baton them, even before the Taser Buff I used to hunt the Predators on Sulaco in this Method making them run, Captured two once, both of which fucking Marines ran up while they were cuffed and repeatedly point blank shot them till it exploded in our faces, hilariously killing every one of the douches who attacked them but I lived with a couple fractures only walking away from the Hull Breach like nothing. MP's are a Predators Bane.

[Pillow]

Acutally I think that the taser effect on the predators was removed

[TopHatPenguin]

Acutally I think that the taser effect on the predators was removed

Pillow is correct, the taser now does nothing to Predator's and Xeno's if my memory serves me well.

[snow5445]

Acutally I think that the taser effect on the predators was removed

DAmn so i can't hunt them like a DS. Ok Anything that causes knockdown. Seriously SS13 combat is all about the stuns. Knock down those preds. So the fire axe would work. Also Stun baton if you are good at throwing. Also im not certain about this but can you attack an invisable predator? It seems you can't.

[Papa Franku]

My moments of handling a predator as a xeno was rather.. Odd

We managed to infect the poor bastard (Who was completely trying to pussy out instead of fighting, what a wuss), being a spitter, we had about 10+ xenos spam tackling him in the corner of the hive due to the queen ordering us to wait until he bursted (You can't goo the sumabitch), didn't help that he kept trying to cloak to escape as 10+ xenos CONTINUED TO keep him on the floor, though I fucked up and dropped the bomb.

Turns out I spat him 50+ times and he eventually died from toxins, still. It was like trying to claw a dude wearing 20 B18 suits at once.
Indestructible but will turn into a coward after getting fucked over, like any general predator player.