Player Report: Gelonvia

[Toroic]

That wasn't my priority sense I had a Carrier attacking him, he had previously attacked me back on the ground near the Engineering Area with multiple groups including the First Queen, a Hunter, and a runner who repeatedly pounced me over and over till the Marines arrived and poached my kill. So I stand my ground, he noticed me, knew I was there, has attacked me previously without one on one, and I only slashed him after he went down, but to clear things up Feweh with what happened I decloaked next to clicking at the same time he started slashing to get him to stop slashing it, he kept slashing even as I was right there and heard me coming in and no doubt noticed it, he collapsed as soon as he already has 2 slashes on him so and kept going at that APC which stunned him. Again I believe that's not my fault, as he could has stopped as I previously said. To add on attack number 3 was after he kept slashing, then the last four was after the Carrier started going for me and I kept going for the hivelord, now if my Prey who's a Hivelord stuns himself even after I have attacked them no predator is going to just stop mid being attacked and let themselves be attacked by the Carrier and I think you will agree with me there Feweh, especially with my glaive and other equipment being Metled by the aliens.

I had not attacked you on the ground near the engineering area. The first queen went through the tunnel to the southwest jungle, and I was in the hive in the caves until after she died. I was playing a drone at the time, evolving to a hivelord shortly before the queen died, otherwise I most likely would've become queen, again at the nest. During my time as hivelord before going on the ship, my goal was to not get involved in fighting at all, reinforcing the nest, spreading weeds, and making a tunnel network. I only went out of the hive to place more tunnel exits/weeds, and with a hivelord's speed and lack of ranged weapons it would be very difficult to engage a predator, not to mention suicidal.

If I would've seen you, I would not have slashed the apc, I would've ran and dropped walls to try to block you. I'm not sure any sane xeno would, and I strongly believe that I was stunned prior to you uncloaking. I doubt that I survived 9 attacks (which is an oddly specific number, btw).

Your argument really doesn't make sense. If I saw and heard you, then why would I slash an APC and make myself vulnerable?

You say "I only slashed him after he went down" and then say that you slashed me twice before I got electrocuted. Both of those statements cannot be true.


You've argued that I attacked you earlier, which would mean I willingly got into melee as either a drone or a hivelord with a predator. This makes no sense.

You've argued that I knew you were there, which wouldn't make sense given my decision to slash an APC (something that no one has doubted)

You've said both that you only slashed me after I went down, and that you slashed me twice before I went down. Impossible.


I think you know you broke a rule and are grasping at straws to find any sort of justification, which is leading to a lack of internal consistency in your story. Unfortunately it has turned into a he-said-she-said situation for about 6 seconds of gameplay that had a pretty clear cut chain of events.

[01:20:59]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[01:21:00]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[01:21:02]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[01:21:04]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[01:21:06]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[01:21:07]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[01:21:13]SAY: H.E.L.P.E.R./AIIA : Nice one.

So I was doing some log diving and I would like to point out that Gelonvia has blatantly lied to staff. She used her Glaive, not her Wristblades.

Thank you for looking into this.

[Adjective]

It's why we are here. Moderators, moderate, whether they were there or not.

[Lostmixup]

So I dug threw the available attack logs for myself (which aren't as detailed as the ones Sas or Apop have access too I'm pretty sure) and saw that the only time Toric even came into contact with the predator - if we're speaking in combat terms - was when Gel showed up and killed him without any warning. There was no roar or anything according to the logs I can access.

Based on this and some of the claims by everyone, I'd say that this was definitely a breach in code.

At this point, it's up to Apop and/or Sas to figure out the more detailed side of things.

[SASoperative]

I did digging through logs and I am still trying to go through them to figure out what to do... I just do not have enough info on how to really go about doing this... I know the predator this round was basicly holding the marines hands but I just am unsure of what to do here.

[Adjective]

I dug through just about an hour and a half of the round and didn't see any type of prior contact before combat either.

[Gelonvia]

I had not attacked you on the ground near the engineering area. The first queen went through the tunnel to the southwest jungle, and I was in the hive in the caves until after she died. I was playing a drone at the time, evolving to a hivelord shortly before the queen died, otherwise I most likely would've become queen, again at the nest. During my time as hivelord before going on the ship, my goal was to not get involved in fighting at all, reinforcing the nest, spreading weeds, and making a tunnel network. I only went out of the hive to place more tunnel exits/weeds, and with a hivelord's speed and lack of ranged weapons it would be very difficult to engage a predator, not to mention suicidal.

If I would've seen you, I would not have slashed the apc, I would've ran and dropped walls to try to block you. I'm not sure any sane xeno would, and I strongly believe that I was stunned prior to you uncloaking. I doubt that I survived 9 attacks (which is an oddly specific number, btw).

Your argument really doesn't make sense. If I saw and heard you, then why would I slash an APC and make myself vulnerable?

You say "I only slashed him after he went down" and then say that you slashed me twice before I got electrocuted. Both of those statements cannot be true.


You've argued that I attacked you earlier, which would mean I willingly got into melee as either a drone or a hivelord with a predator. This makes no sense.

You've argued that I knew you were there, which wouldn't make sense given my decision to slash an APC (something that no one has doubted)

You've said both that you only slashed me after I went down, and that you slashed me twice before I went down. Impossible.


I think you know you broke a rule and are grasping at straws to find any sort of justification, which is leading to a lack of internal consistency in your story. Unfortunately it has turned into a he-said-she-said situation for about 6 seconds of gameplay that had a pretty clear cut chain of events.
Thank you for looking into this.

I was pretty sure every was after the moment the hunter grabbed my glaive and tore it downstairs? Oh well, guess I was wrong there.

Anyways, I digress, I recommend looking at the logs because indeed you did keep attacking the APC. And regardless, guess what? You still are a T3 with backup and your other T3 spotted you. Just cause you dived through logs you don't have access to and showed a "Tiny" amount doesn't mean it shows the picture, so funny thing? Your saying I am lying.. however you lied about the APC to manipulate staff into getting your way. If I knew you were manipulative as soon as you gave me a quick sassy comment in LOOC I would have took Screenshots on you, but I didn't because I didn't think you were manipulative, I didn't think I would have to go around screen shotting everything while I am ingame already trying to click buttons. Soooo sorry, I apologize that your upset but its not my problem that you feel just cause you died you have any sort of protection in the matter ignore the full situation to head to your advantage.

Anyways, I will leave this to the Logs which always support me, the reason you can't prove I have attacked you before you even slashed the APC which you ignored btw, is because that's not how it worked, which again jumps to the manipulative area I have pointed out which is something I despise in human beings btw.

Finally SAS sent a Moderator to follow me and instruct me how to proceed through that round, which is why everything led the way it did and I didn't get yelled at or talked to about any issues and only given Advice... want to know why? Because while they were watching me I did fine.

[Gelonvia]

I dug through just about an hour and a half of the round and didn't see any type of prior contact before combat either.

Want to know why? Cause in round start when the Queen and Aliens immediately charged me round start as you will find in the logs after they attacked the Survivors in Engineering and as soon as they broke the Rule of Contact of immediately engaging me on their own leaving me with the Green light to engage. Then as the entire hive was setting up in Engineering and slowly transferring over to reinforce her and jump on me here comes Hivelord moving forward with a spitter but immediately turns and runs off As a bunch of Marines storm from west of telecom shooting me, the Aliens and everything and Slaughtering them in which case the Queen ran and I gave chase while I could still claim her as my own from her hide being untouched to majorly.

Ironically I didn't have to do anything for them that beginning round, The Aliens moved to Engineering, pinned themselves down trying to focus on me and left themselves exposed as the marines slaughtered them, what did I do from there? I moved west, watched a couple of marines fighting at a Tablefort with 3 runners and get pretty beat up. They came by and were the only humans not to shoot Vara, now Vara is immediately told by a Marine "Hey, were not going to shoot you... just let us leave." in which case she takes the time trying to talk at them like usual forgetting like normal that they never ever understand her, eventually she follows them turning invisible to stalk them down and gain honor back for them killing the queen and poaching from her. Ends up they are telling everyone to not shoot her for some damn reason, now Vara'ule isn't a bitch and neither should any Yautja Hunter, she really shouldn't attack anyone who is saying, "Don't attack her." instead she used her voice and bargained with the CO who actually tried to talk with her and hunt her down to speak to her when he was looking for a pAI using wooden crates.

These aliens? They are my prey, this is a T3 who knows I am here, has been ordered to kill me by the Queen, have been trying to kill me, have cornored me on the Sulaco in the manner I can't get away by getting to my shuttle that's down by the Temples. My only choice is to hunt sense these Aliens are now smart, they have been and are now working in packs and are everywhere. Such as the carrier who was around Toric, the Drone/hunter who noticed me and ran from me in the Messhall. The Ravager and Hivelord who attacked me, The 3 Queens who attacked and had me hunted. I may be kind and not hunt T1's, but T3's are not defenseless creatures especially sense they are going in packs now and see me due to my constant lack of battery and are my targets especially when the entire area is breached of air by Xeno's, Melting my Gear, and alike.

Right now, we have someone who is salty about the fact he died, he doesn't have the full evidence to support his claims, I don't have evidence to prove my claims cause I didn't feel necessary that I couldn't trust those who are on and said were watching me to not comment and didn't think Toric was someone who would go to such lengths to try and give a predator hell cause they died from them.

If I knew this was going to happen, trust me I would have screen shotted every inch of his existence of our time together, but I didn't, I didn't feel a need to be paranoid, I thought I could trust Toric to understand its a game and to not be manipulative and my trust was in vain. No predator should be so scared to play because of people like this that they have to screenshot every encounter while already trying to fight and RP at the same time.

I think everyone will entirely agree considering how many Predators already are like, "Fuck this, I aint playing." cause they are already tired of salty, manipulative people causing them stress, one of my provided examples being Mitch. Anyways, have a good night/day everyone.

[Toroic]

I was pretty sure every was after the moment the hunter grabbed my glaive and tore it downstairs? Oh well, guess I was wrong there.

Anyways, I digress, I recommend looking at the logs because indeed you did keep attacking the APC. And regardless, guess what? You still are a T3 with backup and your other T3 spotted you. Just cause you dived through logs you don't have access to and showed a "Tiny" amount doesn't mean it shows the picture, so funny thing? Your saying I am lying.. however you lied about the APC to manipulate staff into getting your way. If I knew you were manipulative as soon as you gave me a quick sassy comment in LOOC I would have took Screenshots on you, but I didn't because I didn't think you were manipulative, I didn't think I would have to go around screen shotting everything while I am ingame already trying to click buttons. Soooo sorry, I apologize that your upset but its not my problem that you feel just cause you died you have any sort of protection in the matter ignore the full situation to head to your advantage.

Anyways, I will leave this to the Logs which always support me, the reason you can't prove I have attacked you before you even slashed the APC which you ignored btw, is because that's not how it worked, which again jumps to the manipulative area I have pointed out which is something I despise in human beings btw.

Finally SAS sent a Moderator to follow me and instruct me how to proceed through that round, which is why everything led the way it did and I didn't get yelled at or talked to about any issues and only given Advice... want to know why? Because while they were watching me I did fine.

You stated that you used wristblades on me, as your glaive was melted. The logs proved that was not the case.

You stated you hit me 9 times. The logs proved that was not the case. You hit me 6 times in 8 seconds, which I believe is shorter than the stun slashing an apc causes.

You stated I had attacked you earlier, and two people have checked through the logs and not found any evidence to support that.

I find it odd that you would say the logs always support you, or accuse me of being manipulative.

Rule 1 of the predator honor code clearly states that prey must be able to "defend itself and/or is able to kill the hunter", not something a stunned hivelord can pull off.

Rule 10: "Those who break the code are renegades, and no longer considered to be a Yautja. (You'll be banned from being predator ever again)."

I do not appreciate being accused of lying nor do I have any interest in a sarcastic apology.

What I am interested in is simply resolving a clear rule break by you as a predator.

Also, as you've made another post since then, I'd like to let you know I have read it, but it appears you simply described your reasoning behind siding with the humans that round, which isn't relevant to whether killing me while I was stunned broke the honor code.

[Lostmixup]

Want to know why? Cause in round start when the Queen and Aliens immediately charged me round start as you will find in the logs after they attacked the Survivors in Engineering and as soon as they broke the Rule of Contact of immediately engaging me on their own leaving me with the Green light to engage. Then as the entire hive was setting up in Engineering and slowly transferring over to reinforce her and jump on me here comes Hivelord moving forward with a spitter but immediately turns and runs off As a bunch of Marines storm from west of telecom shooting me, the Aliens and everything and Slaughtering them in which case the Queen ran and I gave chase while I could still claim her as my own from her hide being untouched to majorly.

Ironically I didn't have to do anything for them that beginning round, The Aliens moved to Engineering, pinned themselves down trying to focus on me and left themselves exposed as the marines slaughtered them, what did I do from there? I moved west, watched a couple of marines fighting at a Tablefort with 3 runners and get pretty beat up. They came by and were the only humans not to shoot Vara, now Vara is immediately told by a Marine "Hey, were not going to shoot you... just let us leave." in which case she takes the time trying to talk at them like usual forgetting like normal that they never ever understand her, eventually she follows them turning invisible to stalk them down and gain honor back for them killing the queen and poaching from her. Ends up they are telling everyone to not shoot her for some damn reason, now Vara'ule isn't a bitch and neither should any Yautja Hunter, she really shouldn't attack anyone who is saying, "Don't attack her." instead she used her voice and bargained with the CO who actually tried to talk with her and hunt her down to speak to her when he was looking for a pAI using wooden crates.

These aliens? They are my prey, this is a T3 who knows I am here, has been ordered to kill me by the Queen, have been trying to kill me, have cornored me on the Sulaco in the manner I can't get away by getting to my shuttle that's down by the Temples. My only choice is to hunt sense these Aliens are now smart, they have been and are now working in packs and are everywhere. Such as the carrier who was around Toric, the Drone/hunter who noticed me and ran from me in the Messhall. The Ravager and Hivelord who attacked me, The 3 Queens who attacked and had me hunted. I may be kind and not hunt T1's, but T3's are not defenseless creatures especially sense they are going in packs now and see me due to my constant lack of battery and are my targets especially when the entire area is breached of air by Xeno's, Melting my Gear, and alike.

Right now, we have someone who is salty about the fact he died, he doesn't have the full evidence to support his claims, I don't have evidence to prove my claims cause I didn't feel necessary that I couldn't trust those who are on and said were watching me to not comment and didn't think Toric was someone who would go to such lengths to try and give a predator hell cause they died from them.

If I knew this was going to happen, trust me I would have screen shotted every inch of his existence of our time together, but I didn't, I didn't feel a need to be paranoid, I thought I could trust Toric to understand its a game and to not be manipulative and my trust was in vain. No predator should be so scared to play because of people like this that they have to screenshot every encounter while already trying to fight and RP at the same time.

I think everyone will entirely agree considering how many Predators already are like, "Fuck this, I aint playing." cause they are already tired of salty, manipulative people causing them stress, one of my provided examples being Mitch. Anyways, have a good night/day everyone.

Gel, just because a few aliens attack you doesn't give you the go ahead to kill all of them indiscriminately as targets. Also, aliens don't have a first contact rule. They simply attack whoever they want to help expand the hive, unless explicitly stated not to.

[Adjective]

I've been appointed by Apophis to investigate this case and present all findings to the staff. If any further un-submitted information is available please personal message me anything you know or a witness statement.

[Adjective]

So over the past few days I have been digging around in the logs for that round and I took witness reports. It's taken me longer then I originally thought it would, but I had come to the conclusion that Gelonvia hadn't made a good kill. However, she was acting outside of how she should have as a predator that round. Gelonvia was being too friendly with marines and was basically being their guardian. She openly told me about how she uses binoculars as a predator because they mix with her thermal sight. (Claimed SAS taught her to do so).

THEN, as I was digging through logs and gathered more information, I found some things that gave me a hesitant opinion.

The Carrier that was with the Hivelord was supposedly checking the rooms for marines beforehand, and proclaimed it clear. Giving me the idea it was the aliens fault for not seeing her standing in the room.

[01:16:02]SAY: Carrier (598)/Koenigsegg : I'll check.
[01:16:17]SAY: Carrier (598)/Koenigsegg : Safe.

West then JMP'd to Gelonvia; giving me a good justification to believe his statement about how she could see the Hivelord enter Cryo from maint. From the Cafateria, which made her decide to move into Cryo.

[01:16:58]ADMIN: WestHybrid/(Darius Ico) jumped to Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de)

<<WestHybrid's Statement

Then we get to the argument that Gelonvia was being very specific about how she was using her wristblades her "weakest weapon". This does not settle with me because it gave me an immediate feeling she was attempting to cover her tracks because she was using her Glaive dual wielded. She also had a non-existant combat story.

"He immediately stood up after he got past the the maintance western side door into cargo from cyro in which case I finally got to fight although I did get 3 slashes off with my wristblades. After he got up there was 4 more wrist blade slashes as he got pinned between me and the carrier blocking the hivelords exit before he collapsed allowing me to make another final two blows leading to me having to do 9 slashes in total with my wristblades. (Which was hilarious cause I have killed Queens with a combat knife as a marine in less.) So yeah, he had full opportunity before slashing that APC to get away or NOT slash that APC."



[01:20:59]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[01:21:00]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[01:21:02]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[01:21:04]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[01:21:06]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[01:21:07]ATTACK: Gelonvia/(Vara'ule Kv'var-de) attacked Toroic/(Hivelord (521)) with glaive (Wielded) (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

-Kill in 8 seconds-

She justified her kill with the fact the entire hive attacked her previously, this statement has no worth due to that meaning she would have the entire hive marked.
There are 0 No logs at all of the Hivelord having previously engaged in combat with Gelonvia. Giving this the feel of a bad kill, however she approached a Hivelord that had a Carrier and was supposedly un-cloaked during the attacking. The Hivelord put itself in a bad position resulting in it getting killed.

ALTHOUGH,

The predator rule is listed as this -

Hunting Worthy Game: When hunting, the hunter must be sure that his prey is considered game, and lawful to kill. To be considered "prey" and be lawful to kill the prey much fit the following requirements:
+Can defend itself and/or is able to kill the hunter (SSD is a big no-no, same with marines who are in crit and bleeding out with some exceptions listed below)
+Not linked to other lives (e.g. if you come across a marine dragging another marine alone, neither are prey, unless they were previously engaged as prey).
+Is not Struck with diseases or injuries preventing a honorable hunt (someone who has lost limbs and not had them replaced yet).

I find that Gelonvia most likely did not *roar and most likely just walked up cloaked, uncloaked and started swinging. I find that a hivelord who is stunned on the ground and immediately lept on isn't the most worthy prey. It had taken damage and most likely a lot from being stunted by the APC and it was being carried away by the carrier. Gelovia basically attacked a pre-wounded prey and argued indefinitely that it was okay.

She also does less than lore-friendly things as a predator and is too friendly with marines, basically making it a "Marines get an advantage" round when she is a predator.
In the logs, she apparently also recieved an ID from the marines at one point giving her the name "Greater Friend".

[01:20:30]SAY: Greater Friend/Gelonvia : Still in engineering

Conclusion = I feel that Gelonvia was in the wrong and should receive some kind of warning leading to a possible removal from the white list.

I also have a witness report for everyone that was there, if anyone feels the need to read up on everyone else's perspective.

[SASoperative]

Resolved and moved.