Alex Graves: disobeying orders, unauthorized mutiny

[Feweh]

Oh yeah, you're right! I forgot to answer that. Thank you for reminding me. Ty was unconscious after detonating two grenades. He was actually pretty much did at that point because no one was going to treat him for all the sabotage he committed. So I shot him and ended his suffering. If you recall, he wasn't the only body we left there.

Well youre no longer a credible source of information because you blatantly broke a rule right here.

Anyways.

Ever since UM was removed from staff theres been A LOT of complaints. Honestly, youve had quite a few player reports usually always involving you doing extremely "borderline".

Apophis nailed the situation on the head, its always something to do with you going a bit too far. This was a "unofficial" form of mutiny by the sounds of things. You were lawfully being arrested by orders of the CO and somehow you ended up arresting the CO.

You can over-look a few player reports involving you, but after awhile you have to start looking deeper into why this is happening with you all the time.

[SecretStamos (Joshuu)]

Oh yeah, you're right! I forgot to answer that. Thank you for reminding me. Ty was unconscious after detonating two grenades. He was actually pretty much did at that point because no one was going to treat him for all the sabotage he committed. So I shot him and ended his suffering. If you recall, he wasn't the only body we left there.

This worries me quite a bit. He was disabled, posing no threat and unconscious. You effectively field executed him...

[UnknownMurder]

Commander refuses to be saved. That's the basis. She refused to be saved. That's the root of everything. I took action as I always do. Help people. Not let people die.

Nothing more, nothing less. I didn't arrest Commander. I dragged Commander in cuffs and told her that she can court martial me when we get to CC. I suppose you can say it was somethings else than a mutiny. This is no mutiny. Has no one thought that I was saving her life or even cared that I forced her to be saved until the near end.

I have nothing to do with MP's deaths, but this isn't about the MP. It's about me and the Commander and how Commander was pissed with my actions. Not Sam executing a MP. That's a different business.

[Errant_aron]

Well youre no longer a credible source of information because you blatantly broke a rule right here.

Anyways.

Ever since UM was removed from staff theres been A LOT of complaints. Honestly, youve had quite a few player reports usually always involving you doing extremely "borderline".

Apophis nailed the situation on the head, its always something to do with you going a bit too far. This was a "unofficial" form of mutiny by the sounds of things. You were lawfully being arrested by orders of the CO and somehow you ended up arresting the CO.

You can over-look a few player reports involving you, but after awhile you have to start looking deeper into why this is happening with you all the time.

In what universe does fair, admitted, and honest admission of rulebreaking without an attempt to lie disqualify a testimony made in good faith? Why?

[Errant_aron]

You know, that actually causes me a fair amount of butthurt. Like. Damn.

[Feweh]

In what universe does fair, admitted, and honest admission of rulebreaking without an attempt to lie disqualify a testimony made in good faith? Why?

Because your actions on your own escalated a situation that maybe wouldnt of lead to UnknownMurder having a player report opened up on him.

You blatantly killed that MP for a awful reason, which could shift this investigation and the blame to you. You openly broke the rules which now puts pressure on you to defend your actions. Because of this, your credibility is now worthless simply because no one is going to accept your "honesty" any further than what you just admitted. The only credibility that youll be given is direct evidence and logs of information.

Also, im not saying to defend your actions. You just admitted openly that you killed that MP for those reasons you stated. Any Admin/Mod will tell you that that isnt a acceptable excuse or reason.

Do you understand now?

[Errant_aron]

No, I dont and I think I'm done here. Sorry UM-sama, I tried. See you on the other side brother.

[SecretStamos (Joshuu)]

Commander refuses to be saved. That's the basis. She refused to be saved. That's the root of everything. I took action as I always do. Help people. Not let people die.

Judging from some of your previous incidents, I'd say you commonly do the opposite.


The reason(s) you are barred from Command roles, and the Metal Gear themed admin-events you ran while as staff are pretty clear evidence to this. I've noticed that you commonly like to place yourself into a position of extraordinary importance(The spotlight, the center role). Nobody else really does that from what I've seen. And from what I can tell, that's what's happening here.

[Lostmixup]

Based on the situation (based on witness statements, not logs), it seems the CO was being a bit dumb and trying to stay put on the ground. The other marines needed an ID to get the shuttle of the ground, so they decided to get the commander to come. When the commander was not responding, they simply said "fuck it" and dragged her back to the shuttle, took off her ID to avoid further complications, and went back to the sulaco.

The situation was not handled with much tact at all. You probably could've just dragged her back without handcuffing her and shoving her into a locker. It would have turned out a bit better then.

[UnknownMurder]

The situation was not handled with much tact at all. You probably could've just dragged her back without handcuffing her and shoving her into a locker. It would have turned out a bit better then.

She was resisting.

Locker came later to supply her with oxygen on Sulaco. Aliens broke the damn atmospheric.

[Feweh]

Everyone is over-looking a serious issue here.

The guy who killed the MP escalated the situation dramatically. Things would have probably gone A LOT differently had he not been "mercy killed" at the guys discretion.

Im not saying that we shoukd ignore everything else, but a major play on all of this is the guy killing the MP and causing a escalation. This for me is what turned it into a mutiny and why Dyne would of assumed it was a well.

[Lostmixup]

Everyone is over-looking a serious issue here.

The guy who killed the MP escalated the situation dramatically. Things would have probably gone A LOT differently had he not been "mercy killed" at the guys discretion.

Im not saying that we shoukd ignore everything else, but a major play on all of this is the guy killing the MP and causing a escalation. This for me is what turned it into a mutiny and why Dyne would of assumed it was a well.

They've both escalated it.

[UnknownMurder]

Well, whatever you think, because right now. I don't know what's going on.

So, Feweh is essentially saying (correct me if I am wrong) that everything happened with Sam 'mercy-killing' the Military Police and then shit hit the fan? Now, I'm starting to realize that the Commander thought I was a hostile man while trying to help the Commander.

[Feweh]

Well, whatever you think, because right now. I don't know what's going on.

So, Feweh is essentially saying (correct me if I am wrong) that everything happened with Sam 'mercy-killing' the Military Police and then shit hit the fan? Now, I'm starting to realize that the Commander thought I was a hostile man while trying to help the Commander.

Im saying that directly had a impact of what proceeded to happen afterwards. This might be why Dyne assumed it was a mutiny in the first place.

Thing essentially seemed to of turned into a mutiny anyways, but im just painting two pictures here. His actions don't really excuse what happened afterwards.

[apophis775]

I've assigned a trialmin to investigate this. He will give me his final report, and then we'll determine what (if any) actions to take.

[SASoperative]

Trialmins this is your case. This is turning into a pool of toxicity and the thread has been locked. If you require assistance from UM for his side or Dyne for theirs PM them.

[apophis775]

OK.

this took a LONG time to determine due to his status as a former Headmin. Here is the conclusion the staff reached after a SILLY amount of deliberation:

1. UM is being Permabanned from the server. He will have a chance to appeal this permaban.
2. UM is being given a 2-week ban from the Forums.

This is the result of his recent actions in-game, his notes, his past actions, and a general staff consensus on the situation.