A question about marriage...

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Should we allow characters to be married to other characters?

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by apophis775 » 20 Nov 2015, 01:07

HalfdeadKiller wrote:Honeatly, If someone comes on simply because another player is on, and they leave if the other leaves, what does it matter? Why does it have to matter if certain people only play with other certain people? And how is this not contributing to the server? Their players for gods sake. They provide something different than shoot em up.

On the topic of cliques and stuff. Well. Those are inevitable, simply because of how socializing works. A lot of marines are downright stupid. So those of us who aren't stupid stick together. This unfortunately means there is now a sort of clique. It isn't stoppable unless you outright ban all of those in said clique. Forming Sanctum or Banter is simply a list of common marine names, that way those on the list can know who has their back and isn't stupid.

And perhaps marriage isn't fitting for this server, but honestly, the only time any sort of marriage stuff comes up, is this single incident where the MPs failed miserably, and the CMO did a shit job. I don't think marriage has come up other than being in the flavor text of characters. I didn't even know Tanya and Mike were married. And frankly I don't really give a damn. They wanna rp marriage? Let em. As long as they follow the rules I see no problem.

It's not the "good players/badplayers" clique I'm worried about. It's the "special players" cliques I'm worried about. Where a group of players become super inseperable, and will team-up/work together against individuals who don't meet their standard or offend one of the players. That's my worry.

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by WyattH » 20 Nov 2015, 01:14

apophis775 wrote:

It's not the "good players/badplayers" clique I'm worried about. It's the "special players" cliques I'm worried about. Where a group of players become super inseperable, and will team-up/work together against individuals who don't meet their standard or offend one of the players. That's my worry.
>implying this doesnt already happen
>implying it is easy to prove

All marriage does is make it OBVIOUS the reason why and who it is, if anything it makes it easier to just dish out whatever the standard ban for meta-friending is and they'll know what to not do in the future. Compared to meta-friends which currently are harder to spot especially since alot of people arent and cant be reported for meta-friending if you dont play enough to see/realize they are being meta-friends.

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by apophis775 » 20 Nov 2015, 01:19

Oh, I know who some of the biggest offenders of meta-friends are.

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by masterspots » 20 Nov 2015, 03:44

So six people are causing all the problems? No they aren't it's the others who get arrested for something and call out for help of everyone they know instead of spending 20 minutes in the brig for something did and if they didn't do it they should just AHelp it, I think this here is more the problem not the marriage considering a lot of the time those who are "married" are the ones who remain calm and try and work things out most of the time it seems a bit mean to be punishing them.

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by Dyne » 20 Nov 2015, 04:02

Lets come to the general level.

1. Do marines see each other for the first time, or they had previous training/combat shared experience?
\_I believe for most marines it is not their first shared mission together.

2. If its not their first mission together, and experienced marines team up, is it a problem for the "combat" part of the game?
\_In my experience it forms a more cohesive basis of combat squads and support personnel.

3. What if such a group is more loyal to each other, and not to the USCMC? Is it a bad thing?
\_There are no specific rules on how competent and loyal to the chain of command marines are to be.
Recently one of my orders when playing CO were blatantly disregarded, leaving to the whole situation being now in admin investigation.

My opinion is if we want to strengthen the chain of command we shouldn't weaken the connections between characters,
but actually have to put higher demands on Command-level personnel, up to and including white-listing.
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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by HalfdeadKiller » 20 Nov 2015, 04:10

The way I see round continuity is this. We have been on missions before, this is the first mission we encounter aliens. Simple as that. You can continue round RP you do with other characters, PROVIDED nothing about xenomorphs is mentioned. This is basically also how I treat normal SS13 round continuity as well.

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by Voldirs » 20 Nov 2015, 04:22

There should be simple principle in the ruleset: Keep things professional.
That shouldnt be actual rule, because of its vague nature for those, who didnt bear arms (which are majority, including me too), but rather a guideline. It falls under rule about Incompetent Marines

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by apophis775 » 20 Nov 2015, 17:27

As I said, I'm going to have a list of "conditions" for something that's meta-friending/excessive so that staff can make a decision if it's called into question.


But another side of the marriage thing, is that it's something that the USCM would never allow, hell, no military would really allow it.


Additionally, I've heard for more server hosts (and former hosts), and they pretty much agree. CM doesn't seem like the place for marriage. And if one more persona asks me "Do you think love ban bloom on the battlefield?" I don't know what I'll do.

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by MikeHdez97 » 20 Nov 2015, 18:20

I am Mike Hernandez and RP a marriage with Tanya
I agree with you about the marriage in the military,no one will allow it but come on apop i think this is a good chance for RP,at least put some conditions about it
if you want to become CM more realistic to the real military you will have to remove the haircuts and beards and a lot of stuff from ss13

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by Dragon2323 » 20 Nov 2015, 18:33

apophis775 wrote:As I said, I'm going to have a list of "conditions" for something that's meta-friending/excessive so that staff can make a decision if it's called into question.


But another side of the marriage thing, is that it's something that the USCM would never allow, hell, no military would really allow it.


Additionally, I've heard for more server hosts (and former hosts), and they pretty much agree. CM doesn't seem like the place for marriage. And if one more persona asks me "Do you think love ban bloom on the battlefield?" I don't know what I'll do.
I made a post earlier in the thread regarding the JOIN SPOUSE program, which the USCM would likely allow as a form of spawn of the Air Force, if we go by major lore. The US Military allows marriage and battalion / platoon / etc Chaplains have provided them in the past, last I've heard.

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by KeyWii » 20 Nov 2015, 18:52

MikeHdez97 wrote:you will have to remove the haircuts and beards and a lot of stuff from ss13
Most of the hair styles are actually well within regulation.
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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by Jack McIntyre » 20 Nov 2015, 20:24

Right hello folks, sorry for being away so long lovely stuff with the navy came up and although I'm not as busy as before still without a computer now so give me a few days to see lovely Adam again :p. Right back on topic, if I may I have seen the good and bad rp relationships can do. It can destroy friendships and create a lot of fallout, I have been in in game relationships on SS13 and other games, actually married a friend from one rp game on a different one when we played together and honestly it is some of the best rp I ever had a chance to be apart of. That being said we both are adults and basically set up rules although our characters are madly in love with one another we keep it very pg, kissing yea and little stuff like that, but nothing over the line. I also have been engaged in this same game before my character was married and after finding out that my fiancé had cheated in my character which again we chatted about and set up the rp my character who was a rising military general for England and basically was told by the king of England if there was a war I would be one of the main people to lead their armies, the backlash from other players upset our characters were no longer together and the drama mill was one of the reasons my character was removed from the military and basically ostracized from the community. No one literally wanted to chat with him in the taverns and such because of the scandal and this was even something the two characters who had agreed to break up had done because drama. So some good and bad that can occur just as a example.

Now maybe no one cares about my experiences and in which case you can ignore the whole little thing above this line. However I just want to say I do have some experience with dealing with the issue. Now my belief on this simple, we should allow marriages, but as you stated apop we should set up rules. Personally I love the marriage between Tanya and Mike. I mean look at the sanctum thread so many people were so thrilled and happy they tied the knot and when Adam fights alongside Mike and seeing him rp him worrying about her makes me as a character, of someone who considers Mike to be a friend to fight as hard as I can so he can see her again. If Adam would have to sacrifice himself to allow Mike to flee ( although Mike doesn't run already had one instance where I tried :p) because he likes seeing that interaction. Adam also teases casca about how she should run off and marry him, he knows the character and it gives them good interactions as they joke around about it. Now you can look at the logs and also see bad rp relationships, Johners here's looking at you buddy. Relationships are great and allow people who may be stuck on the souls on while marines are turtling the fob to have some interactions when they don't have to do their jobs because there is no demand for it at the time.

So I would say let players have people they have background with date and get married and such, but set up rules, because I also agree with the points by the opposition, you are first a marine before a husband and such. Play the game as it is meant to played them have your rp, Adam isn't going to ignore doing his job as a marine if he sometimes flirts with the nurse or doctor that just pulled a alien worm out of his chest. He gets treated and regears and goes back down to the fight. So I am all in favor of rules and relationships. Hell I will even volunteer to help with the rules. I just don't see the need to tie the hands of players on their rp styles if it doesn't literally kill anyone.

Edit: Also key saw your post and for the US military we can have facial hair except for moustaches and not sure of army still has to do high and tights, but the navy lets sailors get sort of a crew cut with sides really short and I will have to look at my little book again, but I believe we can't go over 3 inches on top. I know some of those beards and haircuts unless changed in the past two weeks I have been gone is against US military standards.

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by Dragon2323 » 20 Nov 2015, 20:46

@jack:
navy's 2-inch regulation. all i have to add. 10/10 post.

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by MikeHdez97 » 20 Nov 2015, 20:56

KeyWii wrote: Most of the hair styles are actually well within regulation.
I have never seen a marine with an afro or a marine with green hair...

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by KeyWii » 20 Nov 2015, 21:02

Jack McIntyre wrote:Edit: Also key saw your post and for the US military we can have facial hair except for moustaches and not sure of army still has to do high and tights, but the navy lets sailors get sort of a crew cut with sides really short and I will have to look at my little book again, but I believe we can't go over 3 inches on top. I know some of those beards and haircuts unless changed in the past two weeks I have been gone is against US military standards.
I was speaking from an Army stand point. Your hair can't touch your ears, can't go below your eyebrows, and can't interfere with your headgear. To be more Specific;

"The hair on top of the head must be neatly groomed. The length and bulk of the hair may not be
excessive and must present a neat and conservative appearance. The hair must present a tapered appearance. A tapered
appearance is one where the outline of the Soldier’s hair conforms to the shape of the head,
curving inward to the natural termination point at the base of the neck. When the hair is combed, it will not fall
over the ears or eyebrows, or touch the collar, except for the closely cut hair at the back of the neck."

AR670-1 Chapter 3-2, Section A. Subsection 2.

I haven't looked at the hair options in much detail. I just saw the glorious Fox Mulder hair and never looked back. But to me, most of them seem to be in regulation. Apop could honestly say more on the matter, he was in a lot longer than I was.

But I digress. Marriage and stuff.
MikeHdez97 wrote:I have never seen a marine with an afro or a marine with green hair...
Hence the "Most".
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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by apophis775 » 21 Nov 2015, 04:35

Dragon2323 wrote: I made a post earlier in the thread regarding the JOIN SPOUSE program, which the USCM would likely allow as a form of spawn of the Air Force, if we go by major lore. The US Military allows marriage and battalion / platoon / etc Chaplains have provided them in the past, last I've heard.

Marriage is allowed, but it's NEVER allowed in the same unit for them to remain in the same unit/ship. I mean, maybe they changed that, but it wasn't like that when I was in, nor, for the 200 years preceeding that, so I'm fairly certain I'd have heard SOMETHING about it. It's kind of a big deal as it creates literal shitstorms.

Also, what makes you think the USCM are a spawn of the Air Force? I went pretty far out of the way to make it not a spawn of anyone when I wrote the rank and history lore.

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Hairstyles doesn't changes the way the story goes, Marriage does. Why were we talking about this? Just wondering.

However, I have a suggestion to not allow marriage, but to be in 'relationship' as boyfriends and girlfriends. People should know the limits to having a boyfriend or girlfriend. If you don't know limits, you probably never had a meaningful relationship like me, I admit.

I'm fine with boyfriends and girlfriends as long as they don't end up trying to save each other. Now, here's something even more to worry about which would piss off a lot of players, even I. Gay Marriage or relationships, they will do whatever it takes to fuck it up and use it as a reason.
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Re: A question about marriage...

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UnknownMurder wrote:(Mobile)

Now, here's something even more to worry about which would piss off a lot of players, even I. Gay Marriage or relationships, they will do whatever it takes to fuck it up and use it as a reason.
Erm... could you explain this a little bit more? Are you saying that people who tend to form same-sex couples on the server generally aim to cause issues on purpose, or... Like what exactly is the statement here?

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by HalfdeadKiller » 21 Nov 2015, 09:27

UnknownMurder wrote:(Mobile)

Hairstyles doesn't changes the way the story goes, Marriage does. Why were we talking about this? Just wondering.

However, I have a suggestion to not allow marriage, but to be in 'relationship' as boyfriends and girlfriends. People should know the limits to having a boyfriend or girlfriend. If you don't know limits, you probably never had a meaningful relationship like me, I admit.

I'm fine with boyfriends and girlfriends as long as they don't end up trying to save each other. Now, here's something even more to worry about which would piss off a lot of players, even I. Gay Marriage or relationships, they will do whatever it takes to fuck it up and use it as a reason.
...What? I can't tell if this is... a stab at those who are gay, or everyone on some basis of what a meaningful relationship is? Or.. I don't even know man. I don't even know. But what I do know is that for whatever reason, I ain't too pleased reading it, and that worries me. Because so far, I've been reading either shitposts with little reason, well argued posts, or just posts that have information on this topic, and I haven't really felt too emotionally charged. I don't even know what this is.

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Re: A question about marriage...

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Listing possible scenarios.
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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by Wickedtemp » 21 Nov 2015, 10:40

UnknownMurder wrote:Listing possible scenarios.
Not really... It really looks like you're kinda just saying "And then we'll have gay couples who start shit, because that's what they do!"

Or at least something similar.

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Reason for ban: ruining server with gayness
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UnknownMurder wrote: Gay Marriage or relationships, they will do whatever it takes to fuck it up and use it as a reason.
That was so uncalled for, you have no idea.
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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by MikeHdez97 » 21 Nov 2015, 13:42

Apop has a question about marriage in general not kind of relationships, please just back to the topic for find a solution to this

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Re: A question about marriage...

Post by MrGabol100 » 21 Nov 2015, 14:05

Uhm, guys, you're being so fucking defensive, he seems to mean, from my point of view, that there may be people who claim they are gay to their X metafriend to have a reason to save him.

Like: Wookster gets brigged (He never gets) I go help him.
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