Complaint against Bill Carson/Fitchace

[ChickenShizNit8]

This was not sorted out. I'm not investigating it because of my bias towards bill carson.

Then who is doing it? Apop? SAS?

[Tornadium]

yeah , if i remember , the MPs were also beating prisoners 4noraisan. this was just a really messed up situation that got more fucked

What prisoners?

We had no prisoners that round. Like none, zilch, zero.

Are you kidding? There's absolutely directional audio in byond. Do you not play with headphones? What the fuck are you even doing man. Maybe that's why so many marines are awful at responding to gunshots. Wear headphones, you cuck.

And I don't grief. It's not my style.

Regardless of what ACTUALLY happened, all Alpha had to work with was what we were told by our medic over the radio, and we acted on it. We were told she was batoned 4noraisins by an MP for not staying on the shuttle when she was transporting the survivor to medbay.

I literally CANNOT comment on what actually happened on the Sulaco, because I wasn't there. All I can comment on is what we heard over the radio.

Once again, REGARDLESS of how valid or not the arrest would have been, the entire Alpha team decided that you guys were chucklefucks and we weren't about to let some cucks take our medic away because one of the MPs decided to be a shit in the first place.

In any case, this is hardly relevant to this thread. You want to make a big deal out of you getting rekt, make a complaint thread of your own somewhere.

I am and have been playing with headphones on bay, tg, here etc and I have never seen directional audio work ever from 2010.

Well what Alpha could have done instead of jumping straight to attacking MPs, they could have perhaps been responsible adults and tried talking to the MPs you know instead of stun, loot, inject with drugs and attempt to drag into a group of ravagers.

You weren't allowed to let your shithead griefing medic get taken away by MPs who were trying to do their jobs. Julia decided to be a griefing shit and continually harass a doctor trying to do his job. Pretty sure the first person to run to her immediate aid was the person with the same surname. Also post round isaac did mention metacomms so meh.

No need for a thread, just needs to be made clear that the mutiny was sparked by your squad being complete and utter cunts and griefing for the hell of it.

[LiquidNightfury]

No need for a thread, just needs to be made clear that the mutiny was sparked by your squad being complete and utter cunts and griefing for the hell of it.

Except that it wasn't, because a distinct part of the mutiny was most of Bravo squad remaining surface side and disobeying the order to retreat to the Sulaco. The mutiny did not hinge on Alpha squad. It hinged on a bad order that a significant number of marines could tell was bad both IC and OOC, and had nothing to do with 'griefing' (Not applicable anyway) or whatever sort of twist you've gotten your panties in.

[Tornadium]

Except that it wasn't, because a distinct part of the mutiny was most of Bravo squad remaining surface side and disobeying the order to retreat to the Sulaco. The mutiny did not hinge on Alpha squad. It hinged on a bad order that a significant number of marines could tell was bad both IC and OOC, and had nothing to do with 'griefing' (Not applicable anyway) or whatever sort of twist you've gotten your panties in.

That was alpha squad. Not bravo squad. Alpha remained surface side and refused the order. Not bravo.

[Hycinth]

That was alpha squad. Not bravo squad. Alpha remained surface side and refused the order. Not bravo.

90% of Alpha returned to the Sulaco and ended up participating in the mutiny. I was one of the first marines to form up alongside the RO's mech at the bridge, and caught Bill in Mister Soap's Wild Ride for a while.

[LiquidNightfury]

That was alpha squad. Not bravo squad. Alpha remained surface side and refused the order. Not bravo.

Well, that's funny, because I was in Bravo squad at the time. So A) No, Bravo squad also refused the order, you're an idiot, and B) Yes, Bravo refused the order, you're an idiot. How are you not getting your head around the fact that I was IN bravo in the round in question and TELLING you what bravo did, being part of that conversation to ignore the order, while the MPs were busy getting murdered on the surface like chucklefucks? Pretty sure I have the more reliable basis of fact.

[Tornadium]

Well, that's funny, because I was in Bravo squad at the time. So A) No, Bravo squad also refused the order, you're an idiot, and B) Yes, Bravo refused the order, you're an idiot. How are you not getting your head around the fact that I was IN bravo in the round in question and TELLING you what bravo did, being part of that conversation to ignore the order, while the MPs were busy getting murdered on the surface like chucklefucks? Pretty sure I have the more reliable basis of fact.

Once again incorrect.

I was being dragged around on the surface along with the other MP by Alpha Squad who missed the first shuttle. We eventually got back up on the second shuttle after they tried to feed us to ravagers.

By the time we came back up the mutiny had already happened.

Logs will confirm this via time stamps, if someone could point me towards the logs I'd be more than happy to log dive.

90% of Alpha returned to the Sulaco and ended up participating in the mutiny. I was one of the first marines to form up alongside the RO's mech at the bridge, and caught Bill in Mister Soap's Wild Ride for a while.

See above, 90% of alpha were too busy trying to feed us to Ravagers. They didn't go up on the first shuttle, as evidenced by the fact that I got dragged onto the SECOND shuttle after being nearly murdered. The mutiny was already over by the time I got back to the ship.

Again, Logs can confirm that.

[Hycinth]

I saw plenty of Alpha up on the shuttle, and the SL ordered us up, so fuck if I know. Literally the one guy who stripped you was the one who dragged you guys off to ravagers and was completely unrelated to the others. Post logs if you have them, because admins aren't going to bother looking.

[ChickenShizNit8]

What prisoners?

We had no prisoners that round. Like none, zilch, zero. I am and have been playing with headphones on bay, tg, here etc and I have never seen directional audio work ever from 2010.

Well what Alpha could have done instead of jumping straight to attacking MPs, they could have perhaps been responsible adults and tried talking to the MPs you know instead of stun, loot, inject with drugs and attempt to drag into a group of ravagers.

You weren't allowed to let your shithead griefing medic get taken away by MPs who were trying to do their jobs. Julia decided to be a griefing shit and continually harass a doctor trying to do his job. Pretty sure the first person to run to her immediate aid was the person with the same surname. Also post round isaac did mention metacomms so meh.

No need for a thread, just needs to be made clear that the mutiny was sparked by your squad being complete and utter cunts and griefing for the hell of it.

First off pal, you really need to calm down. I know Alpha most likely pissed you off, but think about it. I, Bigby Farkas, the OTHER MP, calmly talked it out with Alpha, got witness reports and came to the conclusion you and your buddy where idiots, and moved on. You and your pal, however, did not give a SHIT about getting the story, instead demanding for the Medic.

ALRIGHT, so, another issue here. The marines where IN THE MIDDLE of a COMBAT OPERATION in HOSTILE TERRITORY.

Do you REALLY THINK they want to give up their medic at that moment? If you SO DESPERATELY needed that medic arrested for soiling your image with her ANESTHETICS, NON LETHAL DRUGS MEANT TO CALM PEOPLE THE HELL DOWN, then wait until she comes back up at some point, arrest her then. OR, let aliens eat her, either or.

ANOTHER THING OF NOTE, and Admin TOLD ME that MP's are meant to enforce law ON THE SULACO. DO NOT go down for people, because this is new to me as well.
You and your buddy were in the wrong, no if ands or buts, you guys messed up, bad. I dunno WHAT the real story was, but either way, you and your friend went about it in such a shit manner.

LASTLY, who was this "Doctor" and why hasn't he/she given us THEIR story? Without their side of the story this argument will go on and on. I STILL stand by my account, Bill was influenced by MP ignorance, the MP's screaming into Comms that Alpha had gone COMPLETE BATSHIT HOSTILE, causing Bill to call a retreat to straighten things out, pissing off Marines.

[Tornadium]

First off pal, you really need to calm down. I know Alpha most likely pissed you off, but think about it. I, Bigby Farkas, the OTHER MP, calmly talked it out with Alpha, got witness reports and came to the conclusion you and your buddy where idiots, and moved on. You and your pal, however, did not give a SHIT about getting the story, instead demanding for the Medic.

ALRIGHT, so, another issue here. The marines where IN THE MIDDLE of a COMBAT OPERATION in HOSTILE TERRITORY.

Do you REALLY THINK they want to give up their medic at that moment? If you SO DESPERATELY needed that medic arrested for soiling your image with her ANESTHETICS, NON LETHAL DRUGS MEANT TO CALM PEOPLE THE HELL DOWN, then wait until she comes back up at some point, arrest her then. OR, let aliens eat her, either or.

ANOTHER THING OF NOTE, and Admin TOLD ME that MP's are meant to enforce law ON THE SULACO. DO NOT go down for people, because this is new to me as well.
You and your buddy were in the wrong, no if ands or buts, you guys messed up, bad. I dunno WHAT the real story was, but either way, you and your friend went about it in such a shit manner.

LASTLY, who was this "Doctor" and why hasn't he/she given us THEIR story? Without their side of the story this argument will go on and on. I STILL stand by my account, Bill was influenced by MP ignorance, the MP's screaming into Comms that Alpha had gone COMPLETE BATSHIT HOSTILE, causing Bill to call a retreat to straighten things out, pissing off Marines.

Yeah and I thought you were a moron in that round and in the subsequent few rounds where you actually tried to countermand an arrest the XO ordered and approved. My opinion of you as a player is already pretty low after two encounters so you'll forgive me if I disagree with you.

In any case, The arrest was ordered. We were witnesses to the marine carrying out her attempts to mess with the treatment of a survivor. We were both witnesses plus the doctor who had already verified what had happened in this thread if you bothered to read it. There was nothing else that needed to be discussed. She had intentionally injected an MP with anesthetics for doing his job. She intentionally hid and escaped from the Sulaco after being asked to come in for questioning.

From what I saw Alpha had no need of their medic, there were several other medics from several other squads who had set up a field aid station and the entire marine contingent was playing table fort in the Nexus. Please try to suggest that she was vital to the squad, she wasn't. Again if people pull logs you'll see that the arrest was ordered and I was in no position to refuse that order. The marine in question resisted arrest and escaped the Sulaco despite being ordered by the Bridge Officer to remain on the Sulaco.

When did an admin tell you that? And which admin? I've seen plenty of MPs make arrests on the surface at an FoB. That has been a rather common thing for a long time in my personal experience. As long as an MP heads down, makes the arrest and immediately returns there has never been an issue. I don't see the issue with an MP arresting a griefing asshat to be honest.

The doctor has already given his testimony and verified it in this thread. Feel free to actually read it.

I still stand by my account as well which the logs will fully support. Alpha medic was being a griefing shitlord, Resisted arrest and tried killing two MPs for doing their jobs and making an arrest that was ordered. The mutiny was happening before Bill even joined and as such it is a crock of horseshit to suggest that he had anything to do with the situation. Alpha had infact gone complete batshit hostile, again from the logs you will see that Alpha were discussing killing the command staff and the other MPs and attempted to feed myself and another MP who by that point were unarmed and had disengaged to a group of ravagers for shits and giggles.

[MrGabol100]

Y'all need to -snip- before the posts get 1 page for themselves each.

[Arachnidnexus]

As a ghost who became alien during that, I saw some marines on the ground dragging MPs to the aliens which imo is way worse of a transgression than a CO ordering his troops back to review a clusterfuck of a situation. Although later on I did see another marine (not sure from what squad) who ended saving one MP from being tossed to the aliens.

[ChickenShizNit8]

*sighs*

Why does everyone meta-grudge Carson? A LOT of people who are against him in this report have some sort of Meta-Grudge I have to be honest, because shit is getting out of hand.

[KeyWii]

It already has.

[Tornadium]

It is entirely a metagrudge.

The dude didn't do anything worthy of a mutiny. It was literally just hey lets fuck around and grief and the mutiny had already started before he even showed up.

[Outboarduniform]

I believe the doctor was Jacob Blackpool. i was another doctor , and i saw the BS situation from the start. It really started out when everyone started yelling WE'RE FUCKED , and came up and wrecked the bridge , also taking and later killing bill carson indirectly

[Desolane900]

-1 Bill Carson makes me laugh like I have never laughed before, and I laugh a lot. He always has a plan with a good heart but other people don't see it that way. While it is hilarious to watch things go wrong and joke about it being his fault entirely, there are two sides to every fence and his side is about trying to do his best with what moronic, unrobust, cancerous, generally incompetent marines he has under his wing. That round was the funniest shit ever in the history of ever though.

[SASoperative]

Bill Carson might be a terrible leader at times but its not his fault if people mutiny against him. As a matter of fact to prove it I lifted his job ban and gave him one last chance and he actually redeemed himself. I will wait for staff to decide but I am debating on leaving this locked for now