Allow butchered targets to respawn (Predators can give respawns)

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Re: Allow butchered targets to respawn (Predators can give respawns)

Post by Warnipple » 06 Aug 2016, 21:47

forwardslashN wrote: The problem with that is, people will expect you to let them respawn and they will get even more salty if you don't allow it. LOOC can get bad enough with the peanutgallery, just imagine what it would be like when the predator just doesn't feel the duel was honorable. Right now everyone is on equal ground and there is no expectation of anything, and I think we have enough extra rules for predators to follow. I don't think this is a good idea at all.
I do agree that players may get salty if you don't allow a respawn but its like a condom in this scenario. Better to have (this feature) than not to have. I think you have abnormally high expectations of how someone would react if they aren't given a respawn. Granted its not irrational but a pred revive should be a gift for being good prey or for that good duel instead of a mandatory respawn for everyone. It should be made abundantly clear that it is so.

Also in regards to the rules, its a fairly simple rule. Only respawn players you best in duels or have hunted as prey. Don't respawn anyone you didn't personally kill just to give them a second life. Respawning random people/not involved people = ban and possible remove from whitelist as this is abuse of power.
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Re: Allow butchered targets to respawn (Predators can give respawns)

Post by Sarah_U. » 07 Aug 2016, 00:28

Cloning is against the Yautja society honour and way of working things. You die with honour, you stay dead with honour. Reviving someone in any way (INCLUDING GETTING REVIVED) is a stain to one's honour.
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Re: Allow butchered targets to respawn (Predators can give respawns)

Post by NoahKirchner » 07 Aug 2016, 01:44

Sarah_U. wrote:Cloning is against the Yautja society honour and way of working things. You die with honour, you stay dead with honour. Reviving someone in any way (INCLUDING GETTING REVIVED) is a stain to one's honour.
That's what I was trying to say before with the respawn, the point of an honour duel to the death is to stay dead. :D
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Re: Allow butchered targets to respawn (Predators can give respawns)

Post by Warnipple » 07 Aug 2016, 09:07

Its not really cloning, they're given a completely new character so they can continue playing instead of being removed from the round.

It follows Yautja fluff while preserving their ability to play in the current round.
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Re: Allow butchered targets to respawn (Predators can give respawns)

Post by DesFrSpace » 07 Aug 2016, 19:16

That would be sweet, at least Cloning will be available to a group who might be use it responsibly.
I have to bring it up now, but when Marines loose Cloning, they are going to need way more simpler Surgery, or way more Doctor, you are talking marathon of M.A.S.H. for Surgeons. Unless addressed, say so otherwise.

On the other hand, I got spooked by Predator before, some are scaring type, some kill, and some don't differ.
Still if I ever get killed by a Predator, it a bit more honorable then loosing my dignity by Xenos.

Conclusion: This is a + if Staff want it to happen, otherwise it doesn't need to exist with a right Predator.
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Post by LordeKilly » 07 Aug 2016, 20:07

Warnipple wrote:Its not really cloning, they're given a completely new character so they can continue playing instead of being removed from the round.

It follows Yautja fluff while preserving their ability to play in the current round.
The problem is that the person dies, they're using their character's ghost, and if they're miraculously revived they'll become that person again.
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Re: Allow butchered targets to respawn (Predators can give respawns)

Post by Whistle » 07 Aug 2016, 22:01

forwardslashN wrote: The problem with that is, people will expect you to let them respawn and they will get even more salty if you don't allow it. LOOC can get bad enough with the peanutgallery, just imagine what it would be like when the predator just doesn't feel the duel was honorable. Right now everyone is on equal ground and there is no expectation of anything, and I think we have enough extra rules for predators to follow. I don't think this is a good idea at all.

Reflects exactly how I feel. -1

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Re: Allow butchered targets to respawn (Predators can give respawns)

Post by Toroic » 08 Aug 2016, 01:03

-1 from me. When you aren't potentially risking your entire round dueling a predator it takes away from the risk, the sting of defeat, and the thrill of victory.

I'm scared to fight preds until I feel sufficiently evolved, and marines are generally scared to fight preds, as they should be. If respawn on butcher was added I fear there would either be metabuddy concerns in reality or in perception, and it would take away from the risk leading to people trying harder to fight a pred than they currently do.
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Re: Allow butchered targets to respawn (Predators can give respawns)

Post by doodeeda » 08 Aug 2016, 07:40

What about when a Predator picks a player to fight but that player wasn't necessarily looking for a fight? The player runs but is chased and then killed in the fight that ensues because the Predator doesn't let up. The Predator might think it'd be nice to give the victim some more round-time after that.

Of course, the situation I describe isn't an honor duel. It's just something that can happen while a Predator is hunting. "Respawning" people might be able to help Predators that dislike murderboning.

This may be a good compromise: Predators that want their victim respawned simply ahelp it. This would ensure that there's no funny business going on as it requires an admin to review and do it.
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Post by Whistle » 08 Aug 2016, 09:28

doodeeda wrote:What about when a Predator picks a player to fight but that player wasn't necessarily looking for a fight?
All's fair in love and war.
They are in a combat zone, they are combat ready marines, if they are so injured they cannot be fought then they will not be targetted.

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Post by DesFrSpace » 08 Aug 2016, 11:34

Well with the update, Marines have to get on their feet faster, a 2 Doctor for 50 players done alright. but 3 or only one Doctor for 100 players won't end well. In other word Medical update need to be efficient on getting Marines even if they are dead, if the body is recovered in the first place.
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Post by Snypehunter007 » 28 Dec 2016, 14:18

I am pretty sure if your body is reduced to chunks, there ain't no way of coming back.
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Post by apophis775 » 28 Dec 2016, 14:47

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