What are examples of powergaming?

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Re: What are examples of powergaming?

Post by Szunti » 29 Nov 2016, 12:11

Artouris wrote:If we could bring down a package of gloves that held literally a hundred disposable gloves. And started doing that shit it'd be basically a field hospital that just got too close to the battlefield lines. So no it doesn't look like a person playing a videogame. There's examples of this stuff happening in real life espically in war torn regions of the world, where you have doctors who volunteen to go with sometimes sub par supplies to treat people who are wounded or cannot get to or afford proper medical care and they work wonders.
You are minutes from a well equiped operating theatre on Sulaco. So I don't understand why would you choose a dirty roller bed. I have no problem with a makeshift medbay on the planet, but at least make some effort, not just (ab)use mechanics.

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Re: What are examples of powergaming?

Post by Artouris » 29 Nov 2016, 13:45

Szunti wrote:You are minutes from a well equiped operating theatre on Sulaco. So I don't understand why would you choose a dirty roller bed. I have no problem with a makeshift medbay on the planet, but at least make some effort, not just (ab)use mechanics.
Key point to remember that the shuttle has compressed time travel because traveling anywhere between 10-30 minutes up or down is boring for gameplay. Realistically the shuttle isn't minutes away. And most of the time they make a makeshift medbay on the planet. Also oftentimes as a doctor in a combat zone or literally on the battlefield, getting dirty and getting some treatable disease vs. requiring a clean room to not catch a disease while doing surgery to prevent death happening in the next 10-20 minutes is a bit of a simple choice. You fix their more important issue, and the side effect is that they'll eventually have to battle a treatable disease which is better than waiting and possibly not making it (aka dying).

Then second point is that you have to realize, this isn't current medicine. This is future medicine where the rules don't exactly 100% apply the same way. If i had a miracle bone gel in today's age I'd be the richest motherfucker in the planet if all you have to do is cut open their arm up with minor surgery and apply bone gel to INSTANTLY fix their bones. I'd guarantee you that this shit would be use in the military to get troops back on the frontlines faster. It'd be insane not to do it, and if we get to the point where you can literally do minor surgery anywhere like they do in the SS13 universe then it would be insane to not do what you can where you can. There would be doctors that would do house calls since they don't need to go to a hospital. Or ambulances literally just being operating rooms because its more efficient. Just park that bitch outside the persons house, treat them, bill them, and send them back to their life 100% fine.
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Re: What are examples of powergaming?

Post by Szunti » 29 Nov 2016, 14:37

Of course there are legitimate RP reasons to do it sometimes and you can make up how their advanced technology works to justify it. I have no problem with that. Makeshift surgeries are also good because players get back to fun parts faster. But still the doctors most of the time are doing them with the least effort without any consideration to RP. And that feels like powergaming to me.
About real life I don't think it works in the cases where it saves life. I've never heard about doctors starting surgeries instead of waiting for the ambulance. Patients either make it to the hospital or die in the ambulance en route. I think they would try if it had a slightly better chance to save you.

Another powergamey/metagamey thing in my opinion is when a wounded marine tells the medic how to treat him instead of the symptoms.

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Re: What are examples of powergaming?

Post by Winter » 29 Nov 2016, 16:48

Szunti wrote:Of course there are legitimate RP reasons to do it sometimes and you can make up how their advanced technology works to justify it. I have no problem with that. Makeshift surgeries are also good because players get back to fun parts faster. But still the doctors most of the time are doing them with the least effort without any consideration to RP. And that feels like powergaming to me.
About real life I don't think it works in the cases where it saves life. I've never heard about doctors starting surgeries instead of waiting for the ambulance. Patients either make it to the hospital or die in the ambulance en route. I think they would try if it had a slightly better chance to save you.

Another powergamey/metagamey thing in my opinion is when a wounded marine tells the medic how to treat him instead of the symptoms.
To be fair, people do that because you get medics who just OD people, cram them fill of pills or never seem to figure out health analyzers and splint things randomly.
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Re: What are examples of powergaming?

Post by Derpislav » 30 Nov 2016, 08:15

Szunti wrote:Another powergamey/metagamey thing in my opinion is when a wounded marine tells the medic how to treat him instead of the symptoms.
I do this because I don't trust the medics anymore and neither should you. One in three won't make your death faster.
Szunti wrote:About real life I don't think it works in the cases where it saves life. I've never heard about doctors starting surgeries instead of waiting for the ambulance. Patients either make it to the hospital or die in the ambulance en route. I think they would try if it had a slightly better chance to save you.
Civilian surgery, no. Military? Well, nowadays it's all got more organized and... civilized, but before that we had "medics" right behind the frontline, dragging the wounded from under the bodies and stuffing their guts back in while on the way to the poor excuse of a field hospital.
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Re: What are examples of powergaming?

Post by Surrealistik » 30 Nov 2016, 19:03

Feweh wrote:Blocking ladders with items to disrupt clicking mechanics. (Resin, grilles and buildable structures are fine)
So it's allowed to build say an airlock on top of a ladder?
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