Why is end of round grief banned.

mullvad · Post by **mullvad** » 12 Dec 2016, 10:10

See title, is this a technical issue? Because simply disabling combat log generation after a specific point in time would be rather simple.

Crab_Spider · Post by **Crab_Spider** » 12 Dec 2016, 12:44

I really don't know. I'd assume it's because at the end of the round, new players observing would get the idea this is okay to do at the end of the round and just do this at round start.

Snypehunter007 · Post by **Snypehunter007** » 12 Dec 2016, 12:46

It is due to the fact that we are a mediumRP server. The RP continues until the next round starts.

InterroLouis · Post by **InterroLouis** » 12 Dec 2016, 12:47

We are trying to support the idea of a server with RP. This server is supposed to be military RP. Would the real army start randomly shooting each other after they win a battle? Then you shouldn't either.

slc97 · Post by **slc97** » 12 Dec 2016, 13:09

Snype and InterroLouis have the right of this. RP continues into round end. You don't suddenly get to drop all RP at round end and shoot your buddy right in his face because he slept with your girlfriend when he's supposed to be YOUR BEST FRIEND!!!!!!!!

Right... but yeah. No EORG

Post by **forwardslashN** » 12 Dec 2016, 13:30

Aside everything else already pointed out, it's just not that fun getting shot in the face by a baldie, who had just woken up from cryo, after fighting off hordes of aliens. On the technical side, combat log generation is important after round end, because even after the round ends the marines may be in conflict with a faction. Deathsquads, Iron Bears, rarely the PMCs, or other antagonists, maybe out and about, and sometimes the round may be delayed to see how this plays out. It's still possible to grief and ruin people's fun in these situations.

Skane10634 · Post by **Skane10634** » 12 Dec 2016, 19:04

In addition -Blows up SM- -Crashs server- stuff like that could occur.

MrJJJ · Post by **MrJJJ** » 12 Dec 2016, 21:02

I actually don't think this is a RP issue.
This is actually a more of a bay12 issue, because holy fuck does it get laggy and shit when you have over 10-40+ people shooting each other.

Seriously, thats why, if EORG was allowed, half of the time i am preety sure the server would crash, RP issue is just a blanket to cover it up.

Snypehunter007 · Post by **Snypehunter007** » 12 Dec 2016, 21:18

MrJJJ wrote:I actually don't think this is a RP issue.
This is actually a more of a bay12 issue, because holy fuck does it get laggy and shit when you have over 10-40+ people shooting each other.

Seriously, thats why, if EORG was allowed, half of the time i am preety sure the server would crash, RP issue is just a blanket to cover it up.

It is primarily the RP reason.

Post by **Toroic** » 12 Dec 2016, 22:11

On other servers that encourage eorg, it helps get pent up violence out before roundstart.

CM is always violent, so there's no need for a release valve of that time.

Crab_Spider · Post by **Crab_Spider** » 12 Dec 2016, 22:21

Toroic wrote:On other servers that encourage eorg, it helps get pent up violence out before roundstart.

CM is always violent, so there's no need for a release valve of that time.

Well can we atleast have more antags for the Sulaco?

Post by **Toroic** » 13 Dec 2016, 02:27

Crab_Spider wrote:Well can we atleast have more antags for the Sulaco?

Except if the antag is even somewhat threatening marines would auto-lose the round.

LocalizedDownpour · Post by **LocalizedDownpour** » 13 Dec 2016, 08:10

Toroic wrote:Except if the antag is even somewhat threatening marines would auto-lose the round.

Even with easy access to guns for 'non' antags yeah, a decent syndi-traitor for example would single handedly ruin the Sulaco, mainly sense no one expects him.

Vanilla, everyone is not to be trusted, CM, I more or less trust everyone, even the baldies. I don't feel bad when someone is in the tile next to me, Vanilla on the other hand...Well, if you get in the tile next to me and you keep doing it, I'm going to ram a pen in your eye.

Heckenshutze · Post by **Heckenshutze** » 13 Dec 2016, 11:45

From what I've been told, it generates logs and if the admins are looking at the records as a procedure to ban a player, gather proof or check something those logs makes their job harder

Crab_Spider · Post by **Crab_Spider** » 13 Dec 2016, 13:43

LocalizedDownpour wrote:Even with easy access to guns for 'non' antags yeah, a decent syndi-traitor for example would single handedly ruin the Sulaco, mainly sense no one expects him.

Vanilla, everyone is not to be trusted, CM, I more or less trust everyone, even the baldies. I don't feel bad when someone is in the tile next to me, Vanilla on the other hand...Well, if you get in the tile next to me and you keep doing it, I'm going to ram a pen in your eye.

Aww dammit.

Jroinc1 · Post by **Jroinc1** » 14 Dec 2016, 01:12

Crab_Spider wrote:Well can we atleast have more antags for the Sulaco?

Give me a full toolbelt, and I can make the round HELL ON EARTH, even without cutting cryo and briefing open to space, OR spilling phoron. So... I'd say no.

Post by **Feweh** » 14 Dec 2016, 13:30

Anytime Ive custom done antags outside of the Norm theyve wrecked shit.

No one pays attention to anything but xenos on Sulaco. A traitor could go around blowing up half of Sulaco and no one would notice.

Post by **Arachnidnexus** » 14 Dec 2016, 14:08

Granted, blowing up half the Sulaco could be a traitor or just a bad MT/CE so....

Crab_Spider · Post by **Crab_Spider** » 14 Dec 2016, 15:46

Feweh wrote:Anytime Ive custom done antags outside of the Norm theyve wrecked shit.

No one pays attention to anything but xenos on Sulaco. A traitor could go around blowing up half of Sulaco and no one would notice.

Well can I posessed more often?

Post by **apophis775** » 14 Dec 2016, 16:48

Primarily, it's an RP issue. We are a medium RP server, and RP continues after the round ends into the conclusion. In fact, sometimes if the Liaison is doing something super sneaky, the round may get delayed so he can complete his objective (if it's not too long).

the secondary reason, is combat log spamming. If we are investigating an incident, the spam can cause a problem.

Honestly, I've never liked end-of-round grief. I mean, it can be funny on lowRP, but when you RP a shift and someone at the end just blows the shuttle up, it's kinda a bummer.

Crab_Spider · Post by **Crab_Spider** » 15 Dec 2016, 08:11

apophis775 wrote:Primarily, it's an RP issue. We are a medium RP server, and RP continues after the round ends into the conclusion. In fact, sometimes if the Liaison is doing something super sneaky, the round may get delayed so he can complete his objective (if it's not too long).

the secondary reason, is combat log spamming. If we are investigating an incident, the spam can cause a problem.

Honestly, I've never liked end-of-round grief. I mean, it can be funny on lowRP, but when you RP a shift and someone at the end just blows the shuttle up, it's kinda a bummer.

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