TR-Blackdragon- Predator Round

[Biolock]

Your Byond Key: Biolock

Your Character Name: Alex Crossman/ Al' h'chak Setg'in

Accused Byond Key: TR-Blackdragon

Character Name: Elder Nracha-dte Halkrath

Approximate time and date of the incident: From before, after, and including the hour of 1600 Server Time on 12/13/2016

What rule(s) were broken:
Rule 1:Code of Honor (To a lesser extent)
Rule 2: You are a Predator - Act like one. Would a Predator put on a clown suit and throw bananas? No. Would they take marine gear in order to engage marines in more even hand-to-hand combat? Possibly. It's best to ASK before you do something that may be "silly" or "strange" for a Predator to do.
Rule 3: You are NOT a murder-spree antagonist - You have MUCH more leeway than a standard marine or alien, but you are held accountable for every life you take. Try to limit yourself to killing prey only, and using your other things tools to chase people away who are interfering.

Description of the incident:
I truly don't know where to start with this, however the entire deadchat watched TR as an Elder Predator befriend random humans, even those who were shooting at him prior/ non-combative marines; that's hardly the worst of it. I decided to leave my body and watch TR play the rest of the round in disbelief of what he was doing. He would parade around the Sulaco behaving as a marine, not bothering to disguise himself and instead act as though he was there exclusively to reinforce the marines. This is quite a difficult report as I can't even wrap my mind around the thought process behind this, it's like he forgot he was a Yautja. At one point he allowed a doctor he'd never met before to perform surgery on his skull in the Sulaco medbay, and not only that, but he also allowed the doctor to give him human -O blood to compensate for his blood-loss. I began noticing something was up with the elder when he cloaked and ran from a fight between an elite spitter (Me) and a runner. That, in itself, is not the worse thing a predator can do, but it was the first bell in my head ringing that maybe I should watch him as he play. Upon boarding the Sulaco, the atmosphere began trampling the hangar because of xenomorph wall fuckery, but after the hangar mishap had mostly passed, TR exited the Rasp and moved in front of the cannons which, as well as some marines, proceeded to obliterate him. I saw it, the Deadchat saw it, and many staff members saw it. He then rejuvenated himself from near death after telling us that the Atmos had pushed him in front of the cannons... this was not the case. He later changed the reason he rejuvinated himself to, "If i didnt aheal i would have fucked the marines hardcore" because "I (he) would have bombed". I could go on into all the little details of this incident, like when, instead of going below deck and feasting on the raw meat of one of a dozen xeno or marine corpses, he instead decided to crack into a few MREs; or I could perhaps talk about how he used a GRENADE LAUNCHER to fire into the Rasputin when the Xenos were landing for an assault. There were more micro-details that could possibly be addded, but this basically sums up the round; I'm sure one of maybe 30+ deadchat viewers could probably add to this incident if they wanted.

Evidence:
This happened over such a long period of time, but I will offer some log screenshots.
1st Reason for Ahealing: https://gyazo.com/f8cb8c5e6d70db6585af0f08219b5821
2nd Reason for Ahealing: https://gyazo.com/59940e618289a49a6a143eadf7810117
Snipped logs of eating an MRE: https://gyazo.com/9b874a43c8030a2eb276026064f1bafd
Snipped logs of Grenade Launcher Usage: https://gyazo.com/120b34705ee05fee73037c29bf448b1a
Snipped logs of medical treatment: https://gyazo.com/425635f20af7767e0d5c8eea5fa4a7e7

If you require more evidence, I can always pull more logs.

How you would punish the accused: How would we handle a different player for playing this character how he did? This was a huge slap in the face to all of the predator players who try and roleplay properly and STILL get flamed in deadchat.

[Boltersam]

This is TERRIBLE behaviour. Elders can bend or break the honour code as the situation demands, as stated in the honour code's page, but this isn't so much as bending the rules as smashing them to pieces and trampling the remains. I'll confirm that if all of this did indeed occur, none of it is condoned by me, and likely none of the Predator community.

[slc97]

I witnessed the first aheal and saw him get thrown in front of the cannons of the rasp. I personally would aheal anyone for this as that's due to an Atmos bug and not actual gameplay.

[Kavlo]

I was a ghost and in discord while this went down, besides the whole autocannon aheal thing I can confirm the rest of the stuff happened. I don't play Pred but I do think that this is not proper Predator RP. It was very obvious during his time on-board the Sulaco that there was a marine bias, during the xeno assault he killed at least one but up to three xenos, he didn't really do much killing but definitely was distracting the xenos from the marines, even though the marines had shot him countless times beforehand, like I said I'm not a Predator player but if marines were constantly shooting me I probably wouldn't forgive and help them. He even let one of them do surgery on him, after some marines had proven to want to kill him. There were some marines who realized he wasn't there to kill him but he seemed too forgiving in my own opinion. There was other Predators that round who had made a lodge in the north west of the map with the survivors, I think he overstayed his time on-board the Sulaco since his comrades were planet side after all. Once the marines caught on that he was on their side they didn't shoot him, however I think he was too comfortable on the Sulaco, walking around not cloaked and ate their food.

Overall I don't play Predator and haven't even applied but from someone who's job is to know shit, this seems pretty odd to me and I agree with Bio.

[Jackie Estegado]

His chest, I did surgery on his chest.
Though yeah.. he casually strolled into medbay and waited in line for surgery, and he completly trusted me. Scariest thing is the marines didn't even really care about him.

[forwardslashN]

I was there for most of this, but I wasn't directly observing TR. I'll try to recount what I can:
1. TR has said repeatedly in chat that the rejuv was because atmos destroyed him. He also told me that he was fighting marines on the shuttle, as he was coming up to the Sulaco. No marines were rejuved because of the atmos bug, if there was an atmos issue in the first place. This is highly suspect to me. If TR rejuved because of the turrets, that is admin abuse and should be dealt with accordingly. He would have also lied to me, and the other staff members, repeatedly.
2. I saw him fighting along the marines in repelling the shuttle full of xenomorphs. I only saw a part of this, but he definitely swung the tide, even admitting it himself. The player xenomorph response at the time was, "why is there a pred elder fighting us?" The xenomorphs did not survive the assault, either. This was my main problem with the whole thing. TR had the means of leaving the Sulaco, and he said he came there unwilling when the dropship took off, but did not do so because he had meta reasons. He later clarified that he did not trust the humans, so he wouldn't have used the teleport device that would have left him vulnerable. This seems to run contrary to helping the marines, chowing down in their cafeteria, and so on.
3. Getting medical treatment from marines and using a grenade launcher are both extremely dishonorable and have resulted in removal of predators before. I witnessed neither, so I am going to leave it at that.

If Biolock's facts are on point, TR should be removed from predator. On point #1, that should be looked at separately.

[LocalizedDownpour]

This seems highly out of character for TR...man.

[Feweh]

This is being investigated and will take some time as I speak with Apop and Rahl to sort everything out.

I'm having difficulty figuring out if there was an actual Atmos issue and if it was relevant to the aheal, as there are no proper logs for this. So if you were a witness to these specific events it would be valuable as there seems to be conflicting reports.

[TR-BlackDragon]

I have other staff that will witness the atmos issue. SLC was there when it happened and has even vouched here that he witnessed it. I will admit to using the grenade launcher in the heat of the moment before realizing what i was doing and droping it. I only saw one alien get hit directly from it but was told more droped. Id also like to point out that it wasnt right as they were landing. 90% of the aliens had left the shuttle at the time. When the aliens landed I was surrounded by marines. you really think i had access to a Grenade launcher at that time.

Mre was for rp reasons as he was there he was curious as to what the humans ate.. but ok sure anyway and now to the main part. The surgery. I went to medbay looking for a device that was for medical scanning to see what my own internal injurys were when i apparently had internal injuries. I almost died and as far as i was aware, while unconcious i am unable to activate my bracer. So after i was draged into surgery, after waking up, I was shown mercy. I proceeded to gift the human for their showing mercy and left the ship and the game. I did not pass go i did not continue to fight i did not continue to rp. There is only one reason for Ahealing, that other one is what would have happened had it been an actual fuck up on my part. Stop trying to put reasons into something thats not actual.

and no I wasnt waiting in line for surgery -.-


So far most of what has been said here is a wild goose chase. the main thing i do admit was wrong was the surgery. It shouldnt have happened. Which I did some minor rp to make a doc happy and left the gameplay. That was it. ITs not as though I had surgery and then went on a killing spree or started hunting again.

[TR-BlackDragon]

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[16:08:37]SAY: Cyrus Elwood/ImNotShrapnel : OH SHIT ATMOS
[16:08:38]EMOTE: Jack Sutton/AWPwards : <B>CPL Jack Sutton</B> gasps for air!
[16:08:41]ADMIN: MOD: TR-Blackdragon/(Elder Nracha-dte Halkrath) : Atmos?
[16:08:42]SAY: Eric Penton/Robotonic : Atmos!?
[16:08:46]ADMIN: MOD: Slc97/(Dom 'Decker' Parnell) : what the fuck just happened with atmos?
[16:08:46]SAY: Ghost/M00nm4nhere : LMAO ATMOS
[16:08:51]SAY: Ghost/Helios1 : ATMOS MAJOR
[16:08:55]SAY: Ghost/MChosen : atmos major
[16:09:16]SAY: Eric Penton/Robotonic : EVACUATE MARINES FROM HANGAR, ATMOS IS FUCKED
[16:09:53]ADMIN: HELP: Shikigaymi/(Red 'Red' Calciff): why is atmos having an issue like every round? is there something marines are doing wrong? - heard by 11 non-AFK admins.

This is here for all of you who apparently think i would ever lie about something. And id like to say thank you very much for douting me <3 you too

The Atmos Threw me into the turrents line of fire. I didnt just run into the turrents Im not that stupid.

[Biolock]

This isn't personal, I like you, but this is what I witnessed. Atmos defintetely downed you for some time, but in the dropship. After you left, you walked Sua Sponte to the top of the ship where you were blasted, a lot of people saw it happen.

[TR-BlackDragon]

Yea no i didnt just willy nilly walk up into the front of the shuttle. I was hit by atmos again outside of the shuttle. And throw down onto the ground infront of the turrents.

[Biolock]

I have other staff that will witness the atmos issue. SLC was there when it happened and has even vouched here that he witnessed it. I will admit to using the grenade launcher in the heat of the moment before realizing what i was doing and droping it. I only saw one alien get hit directly from it but was told more droped. Id also like to point out that it wasnt right as they were landing. 90% of the aliens had left the shuttle at the time. When the aliens landed I was surrounded by marines. you really think i had access to a Grenade launcher at that time.

Mre was for rp reasons as he was there he was curious as to what the humans ate.. but ok sure anyway and now to the main part. The surgery. I went to medbay looking for a device that was for medical scanning to see what my own internal injurys were when i apparently had internal injuries. I almost died and as far as i was aware, while unconcious i am unable to activate my bracer. So after i was draged into surgery, after waking up, I was shown mercy. I proceeded to gift the human for their showing mercy and left the ship and the game. I did not pass go i did not continue to fight i did not continue to rp. There is only one reason for Ahealing, that other one is what would have happened had it been an actual fuck up on my part. Stop trying to put reasons into something thats not actual.

and no I wasnt waiting in line for surgery -.-


So far most of what has been said here is a wild goose chase. the main thing i do admit was wrong was the surgery. It shouldnt have happened. Which I did some minor rp to make a doc happy and left the gameplay. That was it. ITs not as though I had surgery and then went on a killing spree or started hunting again.

This is so not a wild goose chase, both the discord and the deadchat were losing their minds watching you play.
1. The time you used the grenade launcher doesn't excuse your using it, as does it being the "heat of the moment". Any other player would have (and has been) punished for doing that alone.

2. There was no RP with you cracking open and eating several MREs as far as I could tell from the logs or from watching you; it looked like you were trying to fix your mechanical (hunger) mechanism as fast as possible without regards to lore... but I will look again at the logs.

3. I don't know if you were waiting in line or not, wasn't part of MY evidence, so I can't confirm or deny that.

[slc97]

Okay, here's what I saw happen. Note that I only witnessed a very limited window of this incident.

In msay, TR said something about being stuck on the drop ship. I head over there and see that he was in fact on the Rasp right before it launched. He was buckled into the chair in the top right while invisible. When he got up top, he unbuckled and tried to leave the Rasp while still cloaked. At this point the atmos glitch happened.

I lost sight of TR at this point. I began looking for marines that might have gotten fucked over by the glitch getting ready for them to Ahelp it. None of them did. After that, I tried to look for TR, but his little invisible mob was a bitch to find and it wasn't on the shuttle. I heard the turrets go off, saw TR come down from the top of the shuttle and get shot a few more times by marines.

At that point, he announced he was gonna Aheal himself. I figured it was okay since it seemed to me that he had been thrown into the turrets by atmos, and I would Aheal anyone who got crippled because of an atmos glitch. It also would have crippled marines for bracers to go off there with the number of marines in the area and with the fact that it would have caused a breach in the hangar.

Basically, I did not directly see TR get thrown into the turrets, but that is what I believe happened from the events I saw surrounding it. As for the rest of this incident, it is a little shady, but it sounds to me like a lot of the details are up in the air right now.

[Biolock]

I can tell you step by step what happened.

> Cloaked in the top right corner, buckled into a chair.
> Shuttle lands
> Atmos busts, flinging TR into the bottom LEFT corner of the rasp (above the doors)
> After atmos recovers he goes out the broken window, still cloaked and starts heading to the top of the dropship (presumably because there was a large force of marines defending the West side of the Dropship.
> Gets ganked by the autocannons

I play far more often than you have, at least recently, and there have been times when I got ganked by the turrets, it's easy to forget as both an ID-less marine and a predator.

[Warnipple]

I think the aheal was completely fine. Dying to atmos really sucks and I would heal anyone who gets atmos griefed if its stopped quickly enough.

[Nightwolf901]

I was a witness upon this action and i can agree with the Grenade launcher using and Medical accepting. The Atmos throwing him infront of Rasputin is bull*&*^ becuase i saw him get thrown to the left bottom corner of the rasp. He was not able to leave the rasp until he got back up his self. He ran into the turrets his self.

[Renomaki]

I myself was also a witness, and while his intention for adhealing was logical (he didn't want to have to set off his pred bomb and screw over the marines in the hanger), I don't understand his logic as to why he used a marine's grenade launcher instead of his own heavy weapons, as well as why he allowed human doctors to operate on him (despite the risk of being captured and experimented on).

Elders are supposed to be what other predators look up to, who set the standard that others should aim for. What is such a display going to tell the younglings?

[Biolock]

My main concern is that if you can rejuve yourself, you can also delete yourself. One of those two options is benevolent, the other continues your round so you can decimate an assault force.

[Feweh]

After much investigation we concluded that the behavior as a Predator was completely unwarranted and against RP Pred Guidelines & Rules.

TR has been removed completely from Predator.

Regarding the Aheal after the sentry turret... we found it was also abuse of admin abilities as TR was not thrown into the sentries but walked into them after the Atmos bug.

TR has been demoted to Admin with a probation of 3 months.

(TR has since retired from staff)

Resolved.