Predator Report: Slaan Klaa-Raktu

[nerocavalier]

Your Byond Key: NeroCavalier

Your Character Name: Alisa Reiss

Accused Byond Key(if known): Scrat505

Character Name: Slaan Klaa-Raktu

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 8pm - 10 pm, 12/31/2016

What rule(s) were broken: Predator Honor Code: 1. Hunting worthy game and 5. Never harm the innocent.

Description of the incident: Rule 1: I was a medic ground side healing the wounded while aliens were attacking LZ1. Throughout this, we had a Predator constantly harass marines there with the spike gun, aiming specifically for their hands. I may be biased since I was a marine but I do not believe we were at all worthy game. We lost many in Robotics and LZ2 had to be abandoned in favor of LZ1, and only Charlie and some stragglers from Delta were at the area. From what I gathered, Meredith Reunings, a fellow marine, saw the Predator coming in. She pointed her gun at him mechanically and ordered him to get down. The Predator promptly shot them and started their harassment of LZ1 afterwards when we tried to stop them. With their spike gun, they broke multiple marines' hands that I used up one full stack of splints and three quick clots patching up their wounds.

Rule 5: At one point, a crusher charged in, stomped and knocked down a marine. Fearing for their safety, I rushed in and shook them up. The Predator upon seeing this ran up and hit me in the head with their sword. The only weapon I had visible on me was my machete that I hadn't been able to use. I also hadn't been part of the marines attacking them either since I was too busy healing and splinting the injuries they caused. Heck, I even dropped my pulse rifle earlier since I wasn't healing efficiently with it in my hand.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): http://imgur.com/a/Nnulu http://imgur.com/a/TZLLL

How you would punish the accused: I honestly don't know how severe the punishment should be. I'm leaning towards something harsh but that is because I'm upset by this and am letting my emotions get the better of me so I'm not the right person to ask about this. I'll leave this up to staff judgment but at the very least, I'd like a stern warning against this type of behavior.

[RadiantFlash]

I can witness As the acting squad leader at the LZ (I was charlie specialist), the marines had lost all ground positions except LZ one, which was poorly defended, and only heldd by 5 charlies and a delta marine. The predator may have been targetting specific people at first, but began firing his spike launcher indescriminately at the landing zone, breaking peoples bones and removing limbs. To be honest, it go to the point, that I almost had the squad abandon the lz and leave the planet completely, because we couldn't hold the LZ by ourselves. Luckily for us marines, the CO finally got the rasputin in motion after some time, and the remaining marines reinforced us before I could give the order to retreat.

I wouldn't have an issue with the predator hunting marines normally, but they attacked our last strong hold on the planet and crippled us. The aliens fortunately, never came at our weakest moment, and attacked a bit later when we had reinforcements, but if they had, we would've been wiped off the planet.

[Scrat505]

Having been a normal player long before I played a Predator, I understand how it may cause a lot of frustration to be attacked by predators who are mechanically designed to be overpowered.

However, all the prey I attacked was worthy game. Feweh had once told another player when I was observing one time that if you had a gun and were planetside, you were worthy. Trusting his judgement, this is how I selected my game.

I ran into LZ1 to scope the situation out, when Meredith promptly tried to apprehend me with her shotgun. One thing you do not do is try to threaten a predator by waving a gun around, so I promptly engaged hostilities. In my further hit-and-run style attacks on LZ1, I was primarily targeting Meredith, the gun aimer, and Harry Cowper, who made himself a more visible target by repeatedly yelling insults and eventually grabbing a flamethrower with intent to exploit Pred's weakness to flames. As such they were my primary targets, and those who attacked me in my efforts or otherwise blocked my efforts was attacked also.

When the Crusher stormed LZ1, he offered to 'team' with me, which he must have decided was going to be a thing because he charged into LZ1 and began attacking before I could tell him to leave these people alone as they were my targets, not his. Regardless, it was still an opportunity to attack. You were helping (or so it looked like) Cowper after the charger attack, so I spiked you to try and get you to back off.

Even as an admin, I was not aghosting and so I had no tactical awareness of how vulnerable the marines may be (using Who showed a fair number of marines still alive) so I could only see that was directly infront of me - a healthy number of fair game.

I would like to note that I was aiming for the hands specifically TO DISABLE, hoping it'd cause the non-target marines to fall back. I did not directly kill any marines if I recall correctly, even the ones I meant to target but were ultimately unable to keep down as they continually came to fight me.

[InterroLouis]

I'd like to point out that I entered LZ1 and was immediately hit by spikes, having not encountered him before. I picked up the flamer because I had an open hand, using a gyro M37 at the time. At the time that I picked that up, you had already broken BOTH my hands with your spike launcher. What you haven't explained, however, is stabbing a medic in the head with your sword while they were healing a person, and were in fact also being attacked by a crusher.

[Scrat505]

You were helping (or so it looked like) Cowper after the charger attack, so I spiked you to try and get you to back off.

My mistake. I had tried to stop the medic helping you with a slash, confused it with the spiker since that was my primary tool when vs. many marines.

[nerocavalier]

Having been a normal player long before I played a Predator, I understand how it may cause a lot of frustration to be attacked by predators who are mechanically designed to be overpowered.

Personally, I was struck by how sudden and how it came out of the blue. From my perspective, I went inside the nexus then returned to you shooting Reunings into pieces. Afterwards was a non-stop attack of you running into to shoot marines then out before we can do anything in return.

I admit that the most frustating thing was having to spend quick clots on wounds like this which caused someone to die later on since I ran out.

However, all the prey I attacked was worthy game. Feweh had once told another player when I was observing one time that if you had a gun and were planetside, you were worthy. Trusting his judgement, this is how I selected my game.

I'll take your word on it since I'm not as familiar with Predators since I never plan on applying.

I ran into LZ1 to scope the situation out, when Meredith promptly tried to apprehend me with her shotgun. One thing you do not do is try to threaten a predator by waving a gun around, so I promptly engaged hostilities. In my further hit-and-run style attacks on LZ1, I was primarily targeting Meredith, the gun aimer, and Harry Cowper, who made himself a more visible target by repeatedly yelling insults and eventually grabbing a flamethrower with intent to exploit Pred's weakness to flames. As such they were my primary targets, and those who attacked me in my efforts or otherwise blocked my efforts was attacked also.

Except, it seems that pretty much everyone was being attacked. Marines fresh from the Rasputin that had no idea what was going on got attacked too. Our Charlie Engineer walked around, got shot, tried to fight back, then got shot some more.

My memory may be off but I counted at least two-three different marines besides Cowper and Reunings hurt by you who weren't even trying to block your efforts, many of which I splinted.

When the Crusher stormed LZ1, he offered to 'team' with me, which he must have decided was going to be a thing because he charged into LZ1 and began attacking before I could tell him to leave these people alone as they were my targets, not his. Regardless, it was still an opportunity to attack. You were helping (or so it looked like) Cowper after the charger attack, so I spiked you to try and get you to back off.

While understandable due to the frantic nature of combat, I must respectfully disagree. Cowper and Reunings both look different from each other at that time. Seeing that they were both facing south, the differences were quite clear as Cowper was wearing goggles and was blue whereas Reunings wasn't and was purple.

Even as an admin, I was not aghosting and so I had no tactical awareness of how vulnerable the marines may be (using Who showed a fair number of marines still alive) so I could only see that was directly infront of me - a healthy number of fair game.

Respectable.

I would like to note that I was aiming for the hands specifically TO DISABLE, hoping it'd cause the non-target marines to fall back. I did not directly kill any marines if I recall correctly, even the ones I meant to target but were ultimately unable to keep down as they continually came to fight me.

It's an understandable mindset to get into but the only difference is that instead of killing you made it so someone else will do it for you. Marine gloves doesn't have as much protection as their chest and head and it is much, much easier to cripple them. Every shot you made broke their hands, which while fulfilling your goal, also led to many marines dropping their guns during our frantic defense against aliens later. Yes, I did splint them but splints come off if someone so much as glances in their direction now.

[Toroic]

Using the spike launcher is somewhat questionable to begin with, as predators should really be engaging in melee whenever possible. It also is bad practice to cripple multiple marines indiscriminately.

Open combat at ranged against marines with a spike launcher is going to heavily favor the predator, and while I don't think anything scrat did was technically against the rules, it's bad practice.

It's much better for everyone if you pick one target, use stealth and ambush tactics, and try to eliminate collateral damage. Otherwise you risk crippling a team. Stabbing a medic healing someone is also pretty questionable. Why not just drag off the injured party to butcher them and take a trophy?

[Scrat505]

Stabbing a medic healing someone is also pretty questionable. Why not just drag off the injured party to butcher them and take a trophy?

Too many marines still nearby that would open up on me. I had also seen a SADAR user earlier chasing after me, and wanted to minimize time in the LZ area to avoid getting donked by an AT rocket.

[LocalizedDownpour]

Slashing a medic was really the only questionable thing here. And maybe hitting the marines when they where ragged. Otherwise...the medic thing is clearly lined in the hunters code

[Joe4444]

the medic thing is clearly lined in the hunters code

actually,it says nothing about squad medics in the code,just doctors and engineers on the sulaco who have no weapons(I assume the medic here atleast had an SMG for self defence)I assume if the pred could see the SMG,he could probably count that person as worthy prey,as they can fight back.I'm no pred however,just wanted to throw that in there.

[Casany]

Just gonna say, I personally dislike the use of the spike launcher here. It shouldn't be used as a primary for hit and run tactics, because that on its own is super dishonorable. That's the only thing really wrong here though. Just in my opinion anyway.

[Biolock]

I don't think Scrat was in the wrong for his target selection per-say. The only problem I can see needing to be addressed could be a potential break of 'killing a life directly connected to the survival of another'.

[LocalizedDownpour]

actually,it says nothing about squad medics in the code,just doctors and engineers on the sulaco who have no weapons(I assume the medic here atleast had an SMG for self defence)I assume if the pred could see the SMG,he could probably count that person as worthy prey,as they can fight back.I'm no pred however,just wanted to throw that in there.

He said he dropped his weapons

[nerocavalier]

He said he dropped his weapons

Not quite, I mentioned that I dropped my gun but still kept my machete in case of emergencies. Aside from that I still had a boot knife and a revolver in my satchel but that wasn't visible.

[LocalizedDownpour]

Oh well...machete....but eh I dunno. Feweh or apop will handle this

[Scrat505]

The code states:

"Not linked to other lives (e.g. if you come across a marine dragging another marine alone, neither are prey, unless they were previously engaged as prey)."

The idea I get reading off this is if I were to come across a medic all alone dragging a marine to the pod or FOB for treatment, I'd need to leave them alone. However, not only were the medic and his patient Cowper not alone, Cowper was also engaged prior as prey and the doctor was directly impeding my efforts to take him down.

[Feweh]

As long as Cowper was previously engaged, anyone who gets in the way even if they're providing medical care... are free game to be harmed.

This: Not linked to other lives (e.g. if you come across a marine dragging another marine alone, neither are prey, unless they were previously engaged as prey)."

Applies to a Predator finding lets say a Medic/Doctor helping someone and deciding they are their target.

[InterroLouis]

I was not the person the medic was healing. Then again, by this logic the medic was also "previously engaged", as I also saw them being targeted by the spike gun, along with the entire group of marines at LZ1.

[Scrat505]

I had believed to have seen you knocked down near the medic, which lead to me thinking he was treating you.

[nerocavalier]

I'd like to drop this report since my points are circumstantial at best and invalid at worst. That and I also had time to calm down and realize that I should have at least waited to make stronger argument.

[InterroLouis]

Next time please maybe don't respond to someone pointing a gun at you by crippling all marines in the area.

[enkas]

In all honesty, I am not mad. At all. I was fine with how things went.

One thing that I would like to mention, was that I aimed because I did not want to KoS, hoping to make some RP opportunities, even if, the command gave us all clear on anything that isn't human.

[Feweh]

Resolved, no punishment will be given as no rules were broken.